Mookie Betts and David Price Traded to the Dodgers

[Regular Show]

[tweet]

[/tweet]

[Regular Show]

[tweet]

[/tweet]

[tweet]

[/tweet]

[Bertz]

[Regular Show]

I think I like this deal a little more than the previous deal. We have to see how good the 3rd piece is before we judge it.

 

I think both Verdugo and Downs can be solid players for the Red Sox. Probably not superstar talents, but Verdugo was on pace for a 4-5 WAR season before he got hurt I believe.

 

Graterol could be a good high-leverage reliever, but I have zero confidence he could hold up as a starter. You don't accrue a ton of WAR as a reliever, but they do have a ton of value in the playoffs and at the trade deadline. I think I'd rather have Downs over Graterol, but it's close.

[Brian]

3rd player to Boston is catcher Connor Wong

[Bertz]

I think I like this deal a little more than the previous deal. We have to see how good the 3rd piece is before we judge it.

 

I think both Verdugo and Downs can be solid players for the Red Sox. Probably not superstar talents, but Verdugo was on pace for a 4-5 WAR season before he got hurt I believe.

 

Graterol could be a good high-leverage reliever, but I have zero confidence he could hold up as a starter. You don't accrue a ton of WAR as a reliever, but they do have a ton of value in the playoffs and at the trade deadline. I think I'd rather have Downs over Graterol, but it's close.

 

Yeah, this seems like a pretty clear upgrade for Boston. I wonder if Boston was kicking in less money in the original deal? Or maybe they just valued Graterol that much more than the industry (possibly because he's ready to contribute immediately)?

[Bertz]

 

Weird. Well LAA goes back to being the most logical landing spot for Q.

[Cubswin11]

If they’re still trying to move him, for some reason, I’d have quite a bit of interest in Stripling.

 

Also if they’re trying to shed money, a package of Pollock and Stripling would be something that interests me. Both would fit the roster well. Though obviously we’re crying poor too. Q or Charwood would likely have to be moved in a separate deal.

[Derwood]

So I assume that the people here looking for ways to move Quintana are somehow comfortable with 40% of our rotation being Mills and Alzolay? Or is a big comeback from Chatwood somehow a thing?

[Gilby]

So I assume that the people here looking for ways to move Quintana are somehow comfortable with 40% of our rotation being Mills and Alzolay? Or is a big comeback from Chatwood somehow a thing?

 

Of course not. It's about realizing the likely mandate of getting under the CBT threshold while being able to keep one of the best players in franchise history.

[Regular Show]

[tweet]

[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/1226691605408747520[/tweet]

One final thought: I wonder if the complexity of this deal chills the market further for the other superstars approaching free agency in the next year or two and whose teams have explored trading them, such as Francisco Lindor, Nolan Arenado and Kris Bryant. Getting this done required adding a third team, which sounds clever but just as likely makes it more difficult to pull off because now you have to get three GMs to agree and then get three owners to agree, and the only time you can get three MLB owners to agree on anything is if you tell them you found a way to pay players less. It’s not as if other teams will stop trying to trade for Lindor et al, but we might be even less likely to see such a deal, now or next winter, than we were before this whole imbroglio happened.

 

That last part is interesting from Keith Law. The complexity of this deal was a little unique I guess? Three-way trades aren't that common, but I honestly think Boston balked on the initial return after seeing the bad public reaction and used the Graterol medical worries to leverage a better return. The Dodgers seem fine with the medicals and we'll see what happens (Graterol could end up becoming a very good closer for them).

 

I do believe trades are becoming harder because teams are clinging to prospects more than ever, and modern FOs worry so damn much about making a bad trade. Sure, I'd be reluctant to part with the top prospects in my system, but not when it comes to acquiring Mookie Betts or a superstar talent like that. I wish the Cubs had a better farm system and cleaner books so we could've pulled this off (assuming we were serious about re-signing Betts, of course).

Edited February 11, 2020 by Regular Show

[Regular Show]

[tweet]

[/tweet]

[tweet]

[/tweet]

lol

[squally1313]

That last part is interesting from Keith Law. The complexity of this deal was a little unique I guess? Three-way trades aren't that common, but I honestly think Boston balked on the initial return after seeing the bad public reaction and used the Graterol medical worries to leverage a better return. The Dodgers seem fine with the medicals and we'll see what happens (Graterol could end up becoming a very good closer for them).

 

I do believe trades are becoming harder because teams are clinging to prospects more than ever, and modern FOs worry so damn much about making a bad trade. Sure, I'd be reluctant to part with the top prospects in my system, but not when it comes to acquiring Mookie Betts or a superstar talent like that. I wish the Cubs had a better farm system and cleaner books so we could've pulled this off (assuming we were serious about re-signing Betts, of course).

 

Definitely agree that the Red Sox were a little taken aback by the public reaction to the trade (not that that ultimately stopped them), but they went from picking up someone who was at least a major league reliever that could help the team on day one to a prospect named after Derek Jeter. Weird sequence of events, for sure.

[toonsterwu]

So I have a totally "weird" thought about the revised trade ... I think the Red Sox did better ... AND I think the Dodgers did better. I think the only loser is whatever reason that Angels/Dodgers trade fell through. The Twins part is fine - solid starting pitching arm for a team trying to make a run for a mildly risky pitching prospect.

 

I think the Red Sox did better. Jeter Downs is a solid infield prospect who has a good bat. It's definitely less risky than Graterol and often times, in mega trades as such, less risky isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't know if I see Jeter Downs as some great stud 2nd base type ... I think he could perhaps be a solid starter.

 

So therein lies why I like this for the Dodgers as well. As intriguing as Downs is, they can afford to move a guy like him. To me, Downs is the type of guy that you should be able to find similar production from on the market. I've got a tough time seeing him explode as an impact monster bat. A very good offensive profile? Perhaps. Superstar? I just don't see it yet. The Dodgers have the organizational/system depth and overall star power to withstand such a loss (not on the same offensive talent level, but Omar Estevez is a decent talent). In Graterol, they get an arm that could help them now in the pen, and potentially help in the rotation. The fact that Graterol's stuff could make an impact this year is what sort of tips me into thinking they did better in the revised trade as well.