7/29: cObS (Yu) @ 2019 NLC Champs (Wainright) 7:15, NBCSCh, MLBN

[TMan92]

Adam Wainwright tonight

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

I pulled for Robel as much as anybody to be promoted but his numbers against breaking and offspeed are dreadful. Like 66% whiff rate on breaking and 55 on offspeed. Putting him at the top against Wainwright is really not smart.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I pulled for Robel as much as anybody to be promoted but his numbers against breaking and offspeed are dreadful. Like 66% whiff rate on breaking and 55 on offspeed. Putting him at the top against Wainwright is really not smart.

 

1) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

2) Wainwright gets destroyed by LH and has a below average K rate against them, that matters too

3) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

4) Even if they were meaningful, Garcia's SSS pitch values are only problematic against sliders and changeups, which combine to make up 1.4% of Wainwright's arsenal this year(in practice these are almost certainly crappy curveballs)

[squally1313]

Setting aside his insignificant major league numbers, Garcia is going to strike out a lot and not walk a lot, and putting him at leadoff doesn't make a lot of sense. If you really believe in his bat and want to protect him, put him second or third to give guys a chance to get on in front of him. He should be treated as someone who will pound fastballs and mistakes until the league gets a book on him.

[Cubswin11]

Willy/KB/Rizzo/Javy should be the top 4, in that order, regardless of LHP/RHP until Zobrist comes back or we make trade (Whit), IMO. Backfill 5-9 with whoever else is playing on a given night.

[squally1313]

Willy/KB/Rizzo/Javy should be the top 4, in that order, regardless of LHP/RHP until Zobrist comes back or we make trade (Whit), IMO.

Yeah pretty much, besides maybe Heyward at the top spot when he's running hot. I kinda like letting Zobrist figure it out in the 9 spot when we gets back since it's going to be such an unknown. It's amazing what having Garcia and Happ at the end of your bench does for your flexibility.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I pulled for Robel as much as anybody to be promoted but his numbers against breaking and offspeed are dreadful. Like 66% whiff rate on breaking and 55 on offspeed. Putting him at the top against Wainwright is really not smart.

 

1) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

2) Wainwright gets destroyed by LH and has a below average K rate against them, that matters too

3) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

4) Even if they were meaningful, Garcia's SSS pitch values are only problematic against sliders and changeups, which combine to make up 1.4% of Wainwright's arsenal this year(in practice these are almost certainly crappy curveballs)

 

1) I had not broken it down like that obviously. Didn't even know how to. But I think it's fair to add in the time he spent at AAA where everyone including Theo admitted he has a lot of work to do against breaking and offspeed pitches and determine that those issues are manifesting themselves at the MLB level, wouldnt it?

 

Admittedly very good points

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I pulled for Robel as much as anybody to be promoted but his numbers against breaking and offspeed are dreadful. Like 66% whiff rate on breaking and 55 on offspeed. Putting him at the top against Wainwright is really not smart.

 

1) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

2) Wainwright gets destroyed by LH and has a below average K rate against them, that matters too

3) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

4) Even if they were meaningful, Garcia's SSS pitch values are only problematic against sliders and changeups, which combine to make up 1.4% of Wainwright's arsenal this year(in practice these are almost certainly crappy curveballs)

 

1) I had not broken it down like that obviously. Didn't even know how to. But I think it's fair to add in the time he spent at AAA where everyone including Theo admitted he has a lot of work to do against breaking and offspeed pitches and determine that those issues are manifesting themselves at the MLB level, wouldnt it?

 

Admittedly very good points

 

...did I go too far again?

[We Got The Whole 9]

 

1) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

2) Wainwright gets destroyed by LH and has a below average K rate against them, that matters too

3) Garcia has less than 60 PA, those numbers are not meaningful

4) Even if they were meaningful, Garcia's SSS pitch values are only problematic against sliders and changeups, which combine to make up 1.4% of Wainwright's arsenal this year(in practice these are almost certainly crappy curveballs)

 

1) I had not broken it down like that obviously. Didn't even know how to. But I think it's fair to add in the time he spent at AAA where everyone including Theo admitted he has a lot of work to do against breaking and offspeed pitches and determine that those issues are manifesting themselves at the MLB level, wouldnt it?

 

Admittedly very good points

 

...did I go too far again?

Nah I dont care. I pretty much expect to get the smackdown from TT when I post like that. He probably could've drawn back the condescension but it is what it is.

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Wonder what the record is for most home games won in a row in a season series. 9 straight wins for the home team in this matchup. Hopefully we can breakthrough.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

1) I had not broken it down like that obviously. Didn't even know how to. But I think it's fair to add in the time he spent at AAA where everyone including Theo admitted he has a lot of work to do against breaking and offspeed pitches and determine that those issues are manifesting themselves at the MLB level, wouldnt it?

 

Admittedly very good points

 

...did I go too far again?

Nah I dont care. I pretty much expect to get the smackdown from TT when I post like that. He probably could've drawn back the condescension but it is what it is.

 

Admittedly that came off snarkier than intended. Absolutist lineup second guessing is a pet peeve of mine and while I don’t think there’s much to worry about with Robel leading off, you weren’t shrieking about it either.

[Schwarber Fan]

Some guy I’ve never heard of is leading off for the Cardinals so look for him to have a big series.

[TMan92]

Really made him work there!

[NotSoSober]

Quality top half of the 1st. Road Cobs

[Schwarber Fan]

Definitely looks like we are gonna do something against Wainwright tonight.

[Schwarber Fan]

The 1-2 to DeJong was literally right down the middle.

[Derwood]

Bob Costas just confidently stated that this was Ian Happ's first AB of the season

[Jaxbro]

I do enjoy how the Cubs in St Louis give Wainwright a fountain of youth blast

[Cubswin11]

Thanks for not IBB’ing Javy there for some reason, you hillbilly’s.

[Sammy Sofa]

Baez's AB:

 

[Schwarber Fan]

As usual, give the run right back.

[bcl412]

Heywards throw was solid even if it meant nothing

[Sammy Sofa]

[Cubswin11]

Catch the ball, Vic. For fucks sake that’s why you’re out there.

[Cubswin11]

God damn it