Marcell Ozuna Traded to the Cardinals

[CubsWin]

They really aren't that young outside of Arcia, Hader and Philips/Brinson. All the guys that carried them last year were older and had career years (Anderson, Davies, Shaw, Santana, Thames, Sogard, etc) most are big regression candidates for me personally.

 

Holy horsefeathers. Cubswin and Cubswin11 are two separate posters. I thought you were arguing with yourself for a second.

I promise you I don't have a Peterman situation going on here

If it was anyone pulling a Peterman, it would be me. I was here first! :P

[CubsWin]

Jeets is not a good GM. Great trade for the horsefeathers

Technically he's their CEO (they don't have a GM yet!). I don't even know what CEO means in baseball front office terms.

 

Though, they're not being run like a baseball team right now. It's purely a business right now down there in Miami. It's like Gordon Gekko bought the team and is breaking it up and selling pieces of it off to make a profit.

[javy knows my name]

Jeets is not a good GM. Great trade for the horsefeathers

Technically he's their CEO (they don't have a GM yet!). I don't even know what CEO means in baseball front office terms.

 

Though, they're not being run like a baseball team right now. It's purely a business right now down there in Miami. It's like Gordon Gekko bought the team and is breaking it up and selling pieces of it off to make a profit.

 

What a total departure from the way they've been running it for 20 years!

[CubinNY]

Jeets is not a good GM. Great trade for the horsefeathers

Technically he's their CEO (they don't have a GM yet!). I don't even know what CEO means in baseball front office terms.

 

Though, they're not being run like a baseball team right now. It's purely a business right now down there in Miami. It's like Gordon Gekko bought the team and is breaking it up and selling pieces of it off to make a profit.

Jeets is not a good Corporate Rader.

[CubsWin]

Jeets is not a good GM. Great trade for the horsefeathers

Technically he's their CEO (they don't have a GM yet!). I don't even know what CEO means in baseball front office terms.

 

Though, they're not being run like a baseball team right now. It's purely a business right now down there in Miami. It's like Gordon Gekko bought the team and is breaking it up and selling pieces of it off to make a profit.

Jeets is not a good Corporate Rader.

Indeed. He's no Gekko.

[CubsWin]

Jeets is not a good GM. Great trade for the horsefeathers

Technically he's their CEO (they don't have a GM yet!). I don't even know what CEO means in baseball front office terms.

 

Though, they're not being run like a baseball team right now. It's purely a business right now down there in Miami. It's like Gordon Gekko bought the team and is breaking it up and selling pieces of it off to make a profit.

 

What a total departure from the way they've been running it for 20 years!

Ha! So true.

[toonsterwu]

I have no doubt that a large part of the Marlins motivation is "business" or "money" oriented, as is their right ... and

 

I'm also not sure Jeter has done the best job as the "face" of the organization - the pointless fiasco with Dawson/McKeon and others seemingly could've been avoided (I guess Michael Hill is their de facto GM?... their org charts list him as the top of Baseball Ops, with the President title)

 

but ...

 

I don't know if tearing down is such a bad move that they need to be raked over the coal for this. The passing of Jose Fernandez changed the equation a lot for them. Before, there was a core of young players, plus a staff ace. Yeah, they needed to find other pieces, but you can find pen arms, and you can find mid-rotation SP's (as they attempted to do with Wei-Yin Chen). There was enough to think ... perhaps a little luck, even with the poor farm system. With Fernandez's passing, that opened up a gigantic hole in the rotation that they haven't fixed yet, and their lack of a farm system becomes all the more glaring.

 

Short of it is, at it's best, the Marlin, as constructed at the end of 2017, looked like a fringe playoff team at best. A huge spending spree would at best, perhaps push them into the wildcard mix, and they would still lack a farm. Tearing down, with their specific pieces, offers them a chance to retool. It might take awhile, but it might offer a better future than what this core offered.

 

I mean, by he start of next season, their minor league pitching depth is going to look pretty solid. A lot of pieces far away, including the returning Tyler Kolek, but there's depth of upside. If they can complete a few trades to net some solid positional prospects, they could suddenly have a strong system and in a couple years, be conceivably knocking on the door of being back ... here ... a borderline playoff team ... but with the hopes of a much better future.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Trading Ozuna and Stanton isn't indefensible in a vacuum, but they traded them for returns that treated the money saved as an asset, and that money is not gonna get spent, so they're forfeiting a lot of value from the roster straight to ownership.

[toonsterwu]

Trading Ozuna and Stanton isn't indefensible in a vacuum, but they traded them for returns that treated the money saved as an asset, and that money is not gonna get spent, so they're forfeiting a lot of value from the roster straight to ownership.

 

Stanton trade yes. That was the one that makes them look bad. If they reinvest in the next few years, say, with Latin American signings, then who knows. As of now, yes, no doubt, that one looks bad (although based off the rumors of the Giants/Cardinals offers ... I'm not sure it looks as bad).

 

Much as I've said I felt the Ozuna trade return was weak, I think that trade can be defended in a baseball way. Gary Denbo's MO, it seems, is to go after loose live-armed guys. Their system has some intriguing pitching upside (Rogers/Garrett/Kolek even Peters). They took a big gamble on Alcantara's upside, and if he pans out ... and I'm doubtful, but then again, I liked Chris Archer a lot coming up and there were plenty of detractors there and Alcantara's breaking ball has improved and his command looks to have improved ... that's immense upside. The thing about the Cardinals system is ... it's a lot of high floor mixed with a few pieces of upside. To balance that out, they add in Zac Gallen, who might be close to ready to help a rotation. I don't love Sierra, although the dude is fast and is a plus defensive outfielder.

 

Again, don't love the Ozuna return ... but I think there's a definite baseball argument for it outside of "money saved". I'm more surprised that they couldn't find better offers, but maybe they fell in love with certain guys and just went from there.

[Agony and Ivy]

Piscotty just got shipped to Oakland.

[BigbadB]

I haven't been paying attention. That douchebag Loria sold the Marlins? Who owns it now and in what way are they making a poitive stamp on the Marlins fanbase by selling off all the decent players?

[Cubswin11]

I haven't been paying attention. That douchebag Loria sold the Marlins? Who owns it now and in what way are they making a poitive stamp on the Marlins fanbase by selling off all the decent players?

Jeter and some private investors bought them. Jeter is a minority owner but is the face of it/running day to day things (think he’s the CEO/President).

[Brian707]

Boras said the Marlins are like a pawnshop. But it's more like they are the customer going to the pawn shop with a $5000 diamond ring and getting $1200 for it.

[Banedon]

I'll just stick this here....Cards traded Piscotty to the A's, which puts him closer to his mom, who was diagnosed with ALS earlier this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll take slightly off pawn store metaphors over the Big Dan Teague impression he was doing earlier any day.

[toonsterwu]

I'll just stick this here....Cards traded Piscotty to the A's, which puts him closer to his mom, who was diagnosed with ALS earlier this year.

 

I have a feeling that Piscotty bounces back and that he'll produce well enough to make people wonder why the Cardinals bothered with this Piscotty/Ozuna swap.

[NonProfitCow]

I'll just stick this here....Cards traded Piscotty to the A's, which puts him closer to his mom, who was diagnosed with ALS earlier this year.

 

I have a feeling that Piscotty bounces back and that he'll produce well enough to make people wonder why the Cardinals bothered with this Piscotty/Ozuna swap.

It wasn't really a pure baseball move. They were shopping him to the A's last summer not long after his moms diagnosis.

[Thusly Boned]

I'll just stick this here....Cards traded Piscotty to the A's, which puts him closer to his mom, who was diagnosed with ALS earlier this year.

 

I have a feeling that Piscotty bounces back and that he'll produce well enough to make people wonder why the Cardinals bothered with this Piscotty/Ozuna swap.

It wasn't really a pure baseball move. They were shopping him to the A's last summer not long after his moms diagnosis.

 

Yeah, it was a nice move made out of consideration for the player. That said, I have serious doubts that it's a move they make if Piscotty had a 2017 that was similar to his 2016.

 

He was never going to be a star, but settling in as a 3-4 WAR player is certainly a strong possibility, stronger now that he isn't stuck halfway across the country from his dying mother.