Last Bears game for 9 months @ Vikings

[davell]

Are there any tackles worth taking early in the 1st?

 

Cam Robinson is a top 10ish type guy, but has some character concerns. If McGlinchey comes out(to my knowledge he's still uncommitted), he's another guy that's top 10-15. But those are likely the only 2 1st Rounders.

 

Depending on the status of his hip surgery, Ryan Ramczyk seems more well thought of than Cam Robinson. If he turned pro, Oklahoma's Orlando Brown looks like the only legit top ten offensive lineman.

 

Brown said he's staying. But did he ask the advisory committee? He's said he stays until he's a 1st, I think....

[raw]

Hooker declared for the draft.

[Guest]

Do you think we could get Cleveland to swap first rounders and throw in the 33rd pick?

 

Then we could send the 10th pick and a 4th to NE for Garoppolo, and still keep almost a first rounder, use our first to 2nd rounders to grab the S from Florida, Maye, and the OT from Miss St, Rankin?

[Guest]

I mean, getting Garoppolo would be just like a first round pick, so, we're not losing a whole lot, plus, filling needs.

 

Desmond King would also be a possibility.

[SpongeWorthy]

matt miller has the wyoming QB mocked to us at #3

[Guest]

matt miller has the wyoming QB mocked to us at #3

 

No thanks. Garoppolo plz

[davell]

Do you think we could get Cleveland to swap first rounders and throw in the 33rd pick?

 

Then we could send the 10th pick and a 4th to NE for Garoppolo, and still keep almost a first rounder, use our first to 2nd rounders to grab the S from Florida and the OT from Miss St, Rankin?

 

That pick is 12th now, I think. Moving from 12 to 3 is extremely valuable. I know the trade value chart isn't perfect, but its a decent measuring stick. For Cleveland to go from 12 to 3, it'd take BOTH 33 and 53, with a 5th too, in order to be close.

 

That's unfortunately the true issue though.....If Cleveland wants Garappolo, they've got much more ammo to grab him. That said, my guess is they don't have to deal 12. They can move back into the 20s, accumulate more pics, and deal a pick in the 20's for him. Or just deal their pair of 2nds. I doubt he's going to cost much more than that. But who knows? 12th seems like way too much to me though.

[SpongeWorthy]

matt miller has the wyoming QB mocked to us at #3

 

No thanks. Garoppolo plz

 

we can punt til next year and draft sam darnold who is the lovechild of roethlisberger and favre

[Guest]

matt miller has the wyoming QB mocked to us at #3

 

No thanks. Garoppolo plz

 

we can punt til next year and draft sam darnold who is the lovechild of roethlisberger and favre

 

I like that, too.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Pair Hooker with a guy like Tony Jefferson and our defense could take a major step forward next year. We have a solid pass rush but seriously lack playmakers in the secondary. Way too succeptible to big plays.

[davell]

 

Any disagreements?

 

A lot of those needs are either/or propositions.

 

2 CBs aren't necessary. 1 good one would be sufficient. The Bears have some young guys that have shown various levels of promise. Callahan, Hall, Fuller, LeBlanc. Then Porter has shown to be serviceable for the most part.

 

Same goes for just 1 safety. The Bears have Amos, Bush, and Jones-Quartey who are all SS's. Put them next to a good FS and let the best man win the job.

 

I don't think the Bears need a DE and a NT. They play nickel with 2 DL 60% of the time. Goldman and Hicks are going to get the most snaps (if healthy). Bullard hopefully will step up and be the 3rd part of that rotation. In the base D, you can either add a DE (better than Bullard) or add a NT and move Goldman to DE (I like this idea).

 

OLB isn't a huge "need". Another one would be nice as McPhee missed a lot of the year and Young is over 30. But not something they have to go crazy for.

Same with TE. Miller has an injury history, but it's not a hugely important position.

WR isn't a need if you re-sign Jeffery.

 

I kept looking back at this and I agreed at first. But then I started looking position by position. How many spots do the Bears even have an upper half of the league player at currently? I'll say on offense that you've got Howard, Long, Sitton, and Whitehair. Jeffery would be, but we aren't sure if he's a Bear in 2017. Anyone else fit into that criteria? I'm not seeing it.

 

On D, its tough to do. Freeman is. And that's all that I consider a definite currently. Trevathan would be, but his injury makes it very likely for him to not be in 2017. Goldman and Floyd? I can buy it, but without looking, I'd say its probably not likely. Hicks? McPhee? Maybe? They're definitely solid players.

 

At any rate, some of our needs can't just be addressed by strength in numbers of subpar players. I'm definitely hoping for 3 new defensive backfield starters. A DE or OLB needs to be added, but not necessarily a starter. Same with a NT.

 

QB certainly needs to be addressed. But I'm not sold on using 3 on one, by any stretch. WR is a true need if Alshon is gone. If he stays, its not much of one. Miller is OK, but TE could be addressed too. Leno and Massie are probably a bottom 10 tandem of OT's. Given the importance of the position, that could certainly use a true upgrade.

 

QB, CB, S, OT, S, CB, DE/OLB, DT.....WR is 4th, if we lose Alshon, 8th if he stays.

 

 

And maybe its just because of today, but using a vet QB in 2017 and trying to get your franchise guy in 2018, looks like a good idea to me. The class looks much stronger and we're very likely going to be in position to take one then too.

 

Trade back towards the bottom of the top 10, add some more picks. Take a QB in 2,3, or 4. Should still be able to add an impact player to the defensive backfield or O-Line in that area and maybe hit on an additional good player or two with the extra picks.

[FlyTheW]

Things can change from now until the draft but I'm not a fan of any of the QB's projected to go in the first round right now. I really don't want the Bears to reach for a QB in the first round that they don't need to reach for, they need to go BPA with all their needs. I think this is really true when you look at what's coming in the 2018 Draft Class. Sam Darnold, Lamar Jackson, Jake Browning, Josh Rosen. If you take a QB this year, you almost have to be committed to that guy for at least 3 years whether he does well or poorly. I'd be fine with taking a Myles Garrett, Jonathan Allen, or Quincy Wilson or possible trading down to a desperate team and picking up another 1st rounder next year. The Bears definitely need to take a QB at some point in the draft though, I just don't think it should be in the first round.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

matt miller has the wyoming QB mocked to us at #3

 

No thanks. Garoppolo plz

 

we can punt til next year and draft sam darnold who is the lovechild of roethlisberger and favre

 

Darnold and Rosen sure look more appealing than the top QBs in this year's draft. And Lamar Jackson sure is interesting.

[WrigleyField 22]

And those 2018 QBs could be 2019 QBs. They dont have to pick a QB at number 3, but they have to take the future of the position seriously, and the 2018 draft shouldn't factor in, IMO.

[Guest]

Davell, you're looking at it all wrong. I don't know why you'd choose to look at each player individually and judge whether they are "top half", that's just a way to make matters look worse.

 

Chicago's front 7 is top 10.

 

Their secondary is one of the worst.

 

As far as their line goes, it's not bad, but the tackles aren't good. The interior will be a strength, though.

 

If Jeffery stays, their offensive skill players are a strength, save QB, which is obviously the most important. But there aren't any more holes to fill than really most teams have. They need a secondary, OTs, and a QB. But if they find an Ot, the QB position will be much easier to fill.

[davell]

I can see looking at it that way. It makes sense honestly. I'm not sure I'm sold on the front 7 being that high though, with Trevathan a question mark. I think you have to look at the O-Line as a whole, if you're looking at it this way and if you do, its bottom half. The secondary is a train wreck. And skill position-wise, we're bottom half too. Even with Alshon we're probably that, considering how important QB is.

 

So, to me, the front 7 is maybe top half. Secondary is bottom 5. And the O-Line and skill position sets are each bottom half too.

 

Its not a dire situation though, even if my grading is correct. The front 7 could be upgraded with a single addition of relative impact. O-Line falls into the same category. If we lose Alshon, its going to be really tough to change the position player outlook(Taylor would certainly help though). And while the secondary is awful, its the strength of the FA class and the draft too.

[jersey cubs fan]

Davell, you're looking at it all wrong. I don't know why you'd choose to look at each player individually and judge whether they are "top half", that's just a way to make matters look worse.

 

Chicago's front 7 is top 10.

 

Their secondary is one of the worst.

 

As far as their line goes, it's not bad, but the tackles aren't good. The interior will be a strength, though.

 

If Jeffery stays, their offensive skill players are a strength, save QB, which is obviously the most important. But there aren't any more holes to fill than really most teams have. They need a secondary, OTs, and a QB. But if they find an Ot, the QB position will be much easier to fill.

Your analysis of this team suggests they did not go 3-13 this year or lose 34 games in the last three seasons.

[David]

i really hope things change course from where the narratives are headed and we keep jay

 

you're not going to do better than him for his salary next year and if you go back into the qb wilderness already, you're pretty much nullifying any chance there might've been at surprise playoff contention.

 

then again, who the hell knows how effective he's going to be able to be. pace did have positive things to say about his rehab the other day.

 

keep jay and draft a qb around the 3rd or 4th. 2nd if you really like the guy.

[David]

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Howard #5, Whitehair #9

 

5. Jordan Howard, RB, Chicago Bears

In nearly any other season, former Indiana running back Jordan Howard would be a shoe-in for Offensive Rookie of the Year. Howard averaged 109.5 yards from scrimmage per game for the Bears, and that’s with multiple games as a backup. In the 13 games where Howard was the lead back, he averaged 122.2 yards from scrimmage. That’s outstanding production for a fifth-round pick who ended the 2016 season as PFF’s seventh-highest graded running back. Among players with at least 200 touches on the year, Howard finished with the fifth-best elusive rating.

 

9. Cody Whitehair, C, Chicago Bears

Yet another player who is already one of the best at his position for the Bears, Whitehair finished 2016 as PFF’s sixth-highest graded-center. What’s most encouraging is the fact that this was his first experience at the position; he didn’t even practice in the middle during training camp this year. Whitehair graded well above average in pass protection, run blocking, and screen blocking.

 

Add in how Floyd played once he got his feet wet and I'm close to ecstatic with the 2016 draft (at least, as much as you can say that after 1 year, obv)

[FlyTheW]

Obviously getting a franchise quarterback is a huge priority but I don't see a franchise quarterback in this draft right now. The Bears have so many needs other than QB they can improve.

[jersey cubs fan]

i really hope things change course from where the narratives are headed and we keep jay

 

you're not going to do better than him for his salary next year and if you go back into the qb wilderness already, you're pretty much nullifying any chance there might've been at surprise playoff contention.

 

then again, who the hell knows how effective he's going to be able to be. pace did have positive things to say about his rehab the other day.

 

keep jay and draft a qb around the 3rd or 4th. 2nd if you really like the guy.

This is absolutely where I am. Granted, I've been a Jay apologist for years, but his 2017 contract status is relatively team friendly and all this talk of other veteran free agents isn't going to leave you in a better position.

 

Draft a true impact anything and that person, along with the quality 2016 rookies and few bright spots stand a chance of actually making the 2017 team decent with Cutler playing QB. I really really really really want them to make the rest of the team as good as possible before hitching the wagon to some rookie QB. I don't envision Cutler taking this team to the SB, but he's better than anybody else they have a chance starting in 2017, so do it.

[Sammy Sofa]

Counterpoint: Cutler is a broken dildo, and since the Bears are a lock to be garbage next year (DON'T DENY THIS), the least they could do is grant us the minor enjoyment of Cutler getting the boot.

 

Plus if you're gonna suck, suck hard.

[David]

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[jersey cubs fan]

Counterpoint: Cutler is a broken dildo, and since the Bears are a lock to be garbage next year (DON'T DENY THIS), the least they could do is grant us the minor enjoyment of Cutler getting the boot.

 

Plus if you're gonna suck, suck hard.

 

3-13

 

they already suck hard. any qb that tried to step in for him with this garbage team was decimated and/or threw 1,000 picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

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Forte and Alshon with simultaneous Howard tweets.