Taijuan Walker to Arizona for Segura, others

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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[UMFan83]

That's pretty nuts

[Thusly Boned]

Didn't see that coming.

[raw]

I don't know much about the prospects in this deal. But I think the M's could've gotten more for Walker and that Segura will go back to not being good without that park in Arizona. Have to think the DBacks will be shipping out a starter somewhere.

[Tryptamine]

I don't know much about the prospects in this deal. But I think the M's could've gotten more for Walker and that Segura will go back to not being good without that park in Arizona. Have to think the DBacks will be shipping out a starter somewhere.

 

Yeah, the Dbacks have a ton of starters. At this point they almost have to shop one.

[davell]

I'm definitely interested in buying low on Miller, Bradley, or Corbin.

[raw]

I'm definitely interested in buying low on Miller, Bradley, or Corbin.

 

Last 2 for sure. Pretty meh on Miller.

[Gilby]

There isn't an obvious match with the Dbacks since they have zero need for Soler, Almora, or Candelario. Might need to get creative with a 3 teamer or something. Unless the Dbacks really like someone like Rondon.

[Cubswin11]

Not saying I'd do it but we could have basically of done this trade for Walker for Baez and parts, no?

[UMFan83]

Also who is Jean Segura? Is that Babe Segura's little brother or something?

[David]

I don't know much about the prospects in this deal. But I think the M's could've gotten more for Walker and that Segura will go back to not being good without that park in Arizona. Have to think the DBacks will be shipping out a starter somewhere.

 

Eh. Obviously going from chase to Seattle isn't going to help but he was pretty much the same hitter on the road last year.

[raw]

I don't know much about the prospects in this deal. But I think the M's could've gotten more for Walker and that Segura will go back to not being good without that park in Arizona. Have to think the DBacks will be shipping out a starter somewhere.

 

Eh. Obviously going from chase to Seattle isn't going to help but he was pretty much the same hitter on the road last year.

 

True. But I suspect he will go back to not being good, because that's how he has been most of his career.

[Guest]

I didn't realize Segura had such a good year and is only 26.

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Eh. Obviously going from chase to Seattle isn't going to help but he was pretty much the same hitter on the road last year.

 

True. But I suspect he will go back to not being good, because that's how he has been most of his career.

 

Actually Segura's almost 50/50 on very good and bad, most of the bad coming after his baby died.

 

I say this without looking it up, but I seem to remember he had started to really suck after the first two or three months of his Brewers career and just kind of stayed mediocre.

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Eh. Obviously going from chase to Seattle isn't going to help but he was pretty much the same hitter on the road last year.

 

True. But I suspect he will go back to not being good, because that's how he has been most of his career.

 

Actually Segura's almost 50/50 on very good and bad, most of the bad coming after his baby died.

 

Don't forget that he was also hit in the face by Ryan Braun who was taking practice swings while still in the dugout.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Segura is a poor man's Starlin Castro, traded after a peak instead of a valley like Castro was.

[David]

Segura is a poor man's Starlin Castro, traded after a peak instead of a valley like Castro was.

 

Starlin Castro could put up a 5 WAR season in his dreams maybe

 

Poor man's? wtf lol castro has barely sniffed a season as good as Segura's second best.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Segura is a poor man's Starlin Castro, traded after a peak instead of a valley like Castro was.

 

Starlin Castro could put up a 5 WAR season in his dreams maybe

 

Poor man's? wtf lol castro has barely sniffed a season as good as Segura's second best.

 

Castro never got to hit in Arizona for 80 games either. Castro's career wRC+ is better and UZR likes him ever so slightly more at SS too. But 'poor man's version' might be an overstatement, it's certainly possible Segura's coming valley won't be as deep.

 

EDIT: Put another way, entering this season, Segura had a *career* .290 wOBA and 78 wRC+, which is nearly identical to 2015 Castro.

[toonsterwu]

I was about to come here to write don't forget about Mitch Haniger before I saw somewhere that Dave Cameron wrote an in-depth piece essentially saying don't forget about Haniger. If he can play CF and last year was a sign of offensive development ...

 

I wanted to come here and blast this trade for the Mariners, but really, I actually sort of like it for both sides. DiPoto must feel he can find pitching, and in Segura, he finally shores up the infield to try and win now. Haniger's a nice gamble, and if he can't play CF, if the offensive development is legitimate on the hit tool, then you have a plus defensive corner OF with pop. They are in win-now mode, as short-lived as this window may be. Getting a guy like Segura, coming off the season he had ... it wasn't going to be cheap. I think Segura probably comes back down to earth a bit (I mean, even the most optimistic projections of him coming up didn't really see that level of power), but let's not forget that Segura was a highly touted shortstop prospect coming up (centerpiece to Greinke deal) and was viewed as a guy who could be a good offensive player. When you factor in his child died, and having to adjust to the majors ... it's not hard to imagine that he might be coming into his own a tiny bit.

 

For the D-backs, it's a great gamble to go after Walker. They potentially get a high ceiling arm about to put it together, and the cost is selling high on Segura. I'm not sure what this signals in regards to whether or not Hazen and Sawdaye are tearing it down, or just retooling. They do have Nick Ahmed at shortstop for defense to go with Ketel Marte, so they might be fine there in the short term. The starting lineup looks decent if they can find another bat or two, and if Pollock returns to firm. They do have the pitching depth to try and find those pieces. Still ... the margin of error is thin because their depth looks bad.

[Guancous]

Wouldn't mind be asking about Braden Shipley's asking price.

[SRQCub]

I don't know much about the prospects in this deal. But I think the M's could've gotten more for Walker and that Segura will go back to not being good without that park in Arizona. Have to think the DBacks will be shipping out a starter somewhere.

 

Eh. Obviously going from chase to Seattle isn't going to help but he was pretty much the same hitter on the road last year.

 

True. But I suspect he will go back to not being good, because that's how he has been most of his career.

 

I think this is a little overstated. He's had two good years (his best coming last year in a bad lineup), two bad years, and one mediocre year. Yes, taking him out of Chase will possibly hurt his power, but that spacious park could yield more doubles and triples.

 

If you take his road splits from last year and extrapolate them to 150 games, he'd have 40 doubles, 4 triples, and 16 HR while playing a good defensive SS. If he goes 35/10/15 and continues to OPS .867 from the SS position, I think it's a good return. Hitting in front of Cano, Cruz and Seager probably benefits him more than hitting in front of Chris Owings, Jake Lamb and Goldy. Hitting behind someone other than a pitcher may drive up his RBI totals, as well.

 

As pedestrian as Walker has been, and given his slightly inflated OPS away from Safeco, I can't see a reason to get too worked up over the deal from Seattle's perspective.