Draft Teix

[stitchface]

Mark Teixeira to retire. Was he the better choice?

[jersey cubs fan]

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[UMFan83]

Teix obviously has a much better career WAR, but would we have had the 2003 postseason run without Prior? Would we have made more postseasons with Teix over the length of his career, maybe a world series?

 

I don't know the answer.

[Derwood]

As a reminder of how that draft went:

 

1 -  MIN - C Joe Mauer
2 -  CHC - P Mark Prior
3 -  TB  - P Dewon Brazelton
4 -  PHI - P Gavin Floyd
5 -  TEX - 3B Mark Teixeira
6 -  MON - P Josh Karp
7 -  BAL - P Chris Smith
8 -  PIT - P John Van Benschoten
9 -  KCR - P Colt Griffin
10 - HOU - SS Chris Burke
11 - DET - P Kenny Baugh
12 - MIL - P Mike Jones
13 - LAA - 1B Casey Kotchman
14 - SD  - 1B Jake Gautreau
15 - TOR - LF Gabe Gross
16 - CHW - P Kris Honel
17 - CLE - P Dan Denham
18 - NYM- P Aaron Heilman
19 - BAL - 2B Mike Fontenot
20 - CIN - P Jeremy Sowers
21 - SF  - P Brad Hennessey
22 - ARZ - P Jason Bulger
23 - NYY - RF John-Ford Griffin
24 - ATL - P Macay McBride
25 - OAK - SS Bobby Crosby
26 - OAK - P Jeremy Bonderman
27 - CLE - P William Horne
28 - STL - P Justin Pope
29 - ATL - SS Josh Burrus
30 - SF  - P Noah Lowery

 

 

So many whiffs that year

[Ding Dong Johnson]

he would have cost us Bryant

[KingCubsFan]

As a reminder of how that draft went:

 

1 -  MIN - C Joe Mauer
2 -  CHC - P Mark Prior
3 -  TB  - P Dewon Brazelton
4 -  PHI - P Gavin Floyd
5 -  TEX - 3B Mark Teixeira
6 -  MON - P Josh Karp
7 -  BAL - P Chris Smith
8 -  PIT - P John Van Benschoten
9 -  KCR - P Colt Griffin
10 - HOU - SS Chris Burke
11 - DET - P Kenny Baugh
12 - MIL - P Mike Jones
13 - LAA - 1B Casey Kotchman
14 - SD  - 1B Jake Gautreau
15 - TOR - LF Gabe Gross
16 - CHW - P Kris Honel
17 - CLE - P Dan Denham
18 - NYM- P Aaron Heilman
19 - BAL - 2B Mike Fontenot
20 - CIN - P Jeremy Sowers
21 - SF  - P Brad Hennessey
22 - ARZ - P Jason Bulger
23 - NYY - RF John-Ford Griffin
24 - ATL - P Macay McBride
25 - OAK - SS Bobby Crosby
26 - OAK - P Jeremy Bonderman
27 - CLE - P William Horne
28 - STL - P Justin Pope
29 - ATL - SS Josh Burrus
30 - SF  - P Noah Lowery

 

 

So many whiffs that year

Two elite players in their prime and a lot of major leaguers. Seems like a pretty good draft to me.

[jersey cubs fan]

he would have cost us Bryant

they'd have been much better from 2003 - 2010/11 but would have been bad enough in 2012 to still get him

[squally1313]

Mike Fontenot was a first round draft pick???

[Sammy Sofa]

Mike Fontenot was a first round draft pick???

 

I remember a LOT of meatballs thinking that was fantastic when the Cubs dumped Sosa for him.

[Liam Neeson]

he would have cost us Bryant

they'd have been much better from 2003 - 2010/11 but would have been bad enough in 2012 to still get him

 

That's not how the meme works.

 

[jersey cubs fan]

he would have cost us Bryant

they'd have been much better from 2003 - 2010/11 but would have been bad enough in 2012 to still get him

 

That's not how the meme works.

Draft Tex was my first meme, it takes precedent

[Little Slide Rooter]

Mike Fontenot was a first round draft pick???

 

1 pick after Aaron Heilman, who was supposed to bring us Peavy. I think.

[UK]

Mark Teixeira to retire. Was he the better choice?

 

 

In hindsight? No.

 

If a similar situation happens again, I would still go for the pitcher.

[Cubswin11]

Mark Teixeira to retire. Was he the better choice?

 

 

In hindsight? No.

 

If a similar situation happens again, I would still go for the pitcher.

What is this nonsense

[Sammy Sofa]

It took such a ridiculous series of circumstances to derail Prior; I'd pick him again in a heartbeat.

[UK]

Mark Teixeira to retire. Was he the better choice?

 

 

In hindsight? No.

 

If a similar situation happens again, I would still go for the pitcher.

What is this nonsense

 

Logic.

 

Prior>Teixiera in 2001 had a higher ceiling based on OFP

 

As previously mentioned, Prior had a bad combo of Baker, fluke injuries and mistaken perfect mechanics

 

If there's a similar situation where there is two draftees with very high ratings *once in a decade* with the collegiate pitcher ranked higher, I would go for the player ranked higher despite the obvious risks with a pitcher.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That is not really what hindsight means.

 

Also, I'm pretty close to personally believing that you should never ever draft a pitcher in the Top 5, and probably not in the Top 10.

[jersey cubs fan]

It took such a ridiculous series of circumstances to derail Prior; I'd pick him again in a heartbeat.

It took one thing, hiring Dusty Baker.

 

 

 

 

 

Also him being a pitcher.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

 

In hindsight? No.

 

If a similar situation happens again, I would still go for the pitcher.

What is this nonsense

 

Logic.

 

Prior>Teixiera in 2001 had a higher ceiling based on OFP

 

As previously mentioned, Prior had a bad combo of Baker, fluke injuries and mistaken perfect mechanics

 

If there's a similar situation where there is two draftees with very high ratings *once in a decade* with the collegiate pitcher ranked higher, I would go for the player ranked higher despite the obvious risks with a pitcher.

there's neither hindsight nor logic being deployed here

[Banedon]

It took such a ridiculous series of circumstances to derail Prior; I'd pick him again in a heartbeat.

It took one thing, hiring Dusty Baker.

 

 

 

 

 

Also him being a pitcher.

 

And a collision with Marcus Giles.

[UK]

That is not really what hindsight means.

 

Also, I'm pretty close to personally believing that you should never ever draft a pitcher in the Top 5, and probably not in the Top 10.

 

BigRedSun/stitchface was likely referring to an old ESPN debate which I was on the wrong side of the argument having supported the drafting of Prior over Teixiera

 

I can't agree with never taking a pitcher in the top 10.

[UK]

What is this nonsense

 

Logic.

 

Prior>Teixiera in 2001 had a higher ceiling based on OFP

 

As previously mentioned, Prior had a bad combo of Baker, fluke injuries and mistaken perfect mechanics

 

If there's a similar situation where there is two draftees with very high ratings *once in a decade* with the collegiate pitcher ranked higher, I would go for the player ranked higher despite the obvious risks with a pitcher.

there's neither hindsight nor logic being deployed here

I will always give you credit for always sticking with Teixiera

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It took such a ridiculous series of circumstances to derail Prior; I'd pick him again in a heartbeat.

It took one thing, hiring Dusty Baker.

 

 

 

 

 

Also him being a pitcher.

 

And a collision with Marcus Giles.

 

You know who probably wouldn't have their career derailed by colliding with Marcus Giles? A hitter.

 

More to the point, with hindsight we know that Teixeira was worth 26 fWAR in his pre-FA years, that's an extremely high bar if we want to play kinda-hindsight with Prior and start doing what-ifs with his manager, workload, fluke injuries, etc.

[UK]

It took such a ridiculous series of circumstances to derail Prior; I'd pick him again in a heartbeat.

It took one thing, hiring Dusty Baker.

 

 

 

 

 

Also him being a pitcher.

 

And a collision with Marcus Giles.

 

Don't forget about Hawpe.

[UK]

Ftr, I have no idea why I answered no. It's obvious Teixiera was the better choice.