week who gives a shit

[sneakypower]

how about that, another trade where tim gets the unquestioned two best players in the deal, ok cool

[CaliforniaRaisin]

how about that, another trade where tim gets the unquestioned two best players in the deal, ok cool

 

Seriously.

[abuck1220]

lol wtf

[Tim]

how about that, another trade where tim gets the unquestioned two best players in the deal, ok cool

This is also totally not your point, but...

 

BA Top 100:

AJ Reed: #11

Blake Snell: #12

 

Joc Pederson: .887 OPS with 2 remaining exemptions. Yes, he's been protected vs lefties this year. But he's still a pretty good player with the potential to be a very good one while still free.

 

Ryu has been a heck of a pitcher when healthy and has looked pretty good in his first two rehab starts. Oh yeah, he's also exempt again this year.

 

Kluber has lost velocity and has unquestionably not been as sharp this year as in previous years. I'm excited to have him, but let's not pretend this is 2014, either.

 

In fantasy baseball, Snell's value is reduced by having to face Boston, Toronto & Baltimore in about 40% of his starts. Plus the Yankees if they ever get it going again.

 

 

This one isn't nearly as lopsided as you're making it out to be.

[Tracer Bullet]

not sure what you're complaining about. guy who is giving up on the season before June traded Matz (sub .300 ERA; 1 exemption used), Velasquez (sub .300 ERA; 1 exemption used), and Snell (top 12, 13 or 21 prospect on BA, Sickels, BP). makes perfect sense

[sneakypower]

This is also totally not your point, but...

 

BA Top 100:

AJ Reed: #11

Blake Snell: #12

 

Joc Pederson: .887 OPS with 2 remaining exemptions. Yes, he's been protected vs lefties this year. But he's still a pretty good player with the potential to be a very good one while still free.

 

Ryu has been a heck of a pitcher when healthy and has looked pretty good in his first two rehab starts. Oh yeah, he's also exempt again this year.

 

Kluber has lost velocity and has unquestionably not been as sharp this year as in previous years. I'm excited to have him, but let's not pretend this is 2014, either.

 

In fantasy baseball, Snell's value is reduced by having to face Boston, Toronto & Baltimore in about 40% of his starts. Plus the Yankees if they ever get it going again.

 

 

This one isn't nearly as lopsided as you're making it out to be.

oh for the love of God you do this every time and each time it's patronizingly disingenuous, but here we are today and you've got a stud roster full of other teams' best players and mysteriously you're undefeated and they're all mostly in the doldrums

 

like tell me again how that Bryant, Correa, Stroman, 1st-round (Bautista) for Trout, Waino swap was mutually beneficial

[CaliforniaRaisin]

We need a trade veto in this league desperately.

[sneakypower]

agreed

[Tim]

So nobody says a word about a trade of Joey freaking Votto for a knuckleballer with very limited history of success?

[sneakypower]

Wright's a current top-10 pitcher over 1/4 the way through the season, and Votto might be a little bit broken; there's actually a good argument for either side

 

not like a good 1B prospect (a position so deep a top-40 overall batter was just dropped there, and 'Joey freaking Votto' hasn't even been startable/top-16) and a fringe-FA OF

 

http://i.imgur.com/HqmjU2H.png

 

for a 575-point starter...and 3.5 free years of an elite SP prospect, just for the hell of it

 

you think it's defensible because you're very well accustomed to having the scales being even more comically lopsided, which is the problem

[sneakypower]

and holy horsefeathers, Matt Kemp's OBP

[Tracer Bullet]

I have veto power but I don't think I've ever used it. We reversed a trade maybe last season b/c it seemed like a misunderstanding of the rules.

 

but I've got to be honest, there's so much bitching about every trade that it makes it hard to say which trades are truly egregious (2 years ago there was a similar thread started b/c I traded draft picks for Nick Swisher and Joe Nathan, so). Yes, this was BS, not only b/c it was so lopsided but also b/c it makes no logical sense. Often trades can seem lopsided in a keeper league when one team is acquiring assets for the future. But when the team giving up on this year trades Matz, Velasquez to acquire Kluber and then immediately flips him (and Snell), I'm baffled.

 

People in this league have very strong opinions about prospects and their values (or, in some cases, whether we should even have prospects). So I don't really know how to have a veto system in place that would work. Whose valuation of prospects do we use to determine whether a trade should be vetoed?

[sneakypower]

but there actually isn't bitching about every trade, a ton of trades go through that aren't even commented on and then trades like this happen and it's hard to stay quiet about it because that's very, very nearly the entire basis of a guy having an unassailable roster

 

Tim:

draft pick for Pederson - crickets

like six draft-day trades - crickets

Hoffman, Fulmer for Kimbrel, Almora - crickets

Reed for McCullers - crickets

 

but this one there's going to be a deserved uproar about because there's just no justification for it, so try to be a big boy for a second and realize there's a clear nuance

[Tracer Bullet]

how about try not to be an horsefeathers? you're so insufferable it's hard to want to give a damn

[sneakypower]

so you agree though that my statements are all basically true, which is the thing that matters here

[Tracer Bullet]

just yesterday you and i were discussing how crazy this trade was and you compared it to me trading two SP prospects for Lindor as if they're somehow equal. And you did start a thread where you had a meltdown about Swisher and Nathan two years ago. and you bitched about the Schwarber trade last year. I can clearly see some trades are borderline and some are insane. You bitch about too many trades to have your opinion really mean horsefeathers to me and you're a prick when you do it. so i'm not really interested in getting into it again.

[sneakypower]

but Blair and Jorge Lopez (or was it Carlos Mencia?) for 3-exemptions SS who had either the highest or 2nd-highest projection was always an incredible heist, and i even did bite my tongue on it to avoid the dumb accusations i'm some kind of a flailing obstructionist

 

i pointed out the most immediately egregiously tilted trades you and tim made that ultimately served as the main foundation of an undefeated roster...that adds up pretty well one would think

[Tracer Bullet]

which trades that I've made are the reason I'm undefeated? identify them please

 

Encarnacion? 9th best 1B (there's a FA better than him right now)

Lindor? 8th best SS?

Schwarber and Berrios?

[sneakypower]

well those are your top 2 hitters, and Felix of course always stands out, but i won't deny the Arrieta miracle has also played a big part; this is why i say main foundation and not 'every mathematical point produced'

[Tracer Bullet]

lol. you say "main foundation" because it's vague enough that you can just ramble about and hope no one notices that you don't know what you're talking about.

[sneakypower]

oh, there were other people right here also expressing that these tilted trades are a bit of a problem...might you possibly have them on ignore or something?

[Tracer Bullet]

that's a great point. who? who complained about my trade for Felix in 2013 or w/e. who complained about EE or Lindor? you.

 

who complained about this horsefeathers show? you, me, abuck, and raisin.

 

who complained about the bryant, correa and horsefeathers nonsense? a bunch of people.

[sneakypower]

then add vote vetoing, i don't know what the hold-up is

[Tracer Bullet]

So 14 teams not involved in the trade. 10 have to vote against (70% or so)?

[sneakypower]

you're never going to get that kind of attention; even 3-4 seems pretty sufficient