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You guys are right that Goose Island is perfectly acceptable for a baseball stadium. That isn't really an issue. The fact that they only have Goose Island at the Cubby Bear is, to me, ridiculous. They have plenty of stuff at Sluggers, Murphy's, etc.

 

Also... I have been kind of phasing myself out of IPA's lately. I'm not sure what it is, but they seem to tear up my stomach pretty bad. The next day I have trouble eating.

 

I'm actually drinking an Old Style right now. It's $8.88 for a 12 pack, and it makes me feel really authentic. I think the product placement in Shameless and the association with the Cubs is to blame.

 

Honestly, when I'm at a Wrigleyville bar, I'm not looking for high-end beers. A shandy is about the only deviation I'll have from the standard domestic lights.

 

Same. I like to pound the hell out of cheap crappy beer when I'm in baseball mode.

 

Agreed. Love good beer. When I'm having a few beers at dinner or even just a night out with some friends. But when I'm drinking 6-12 beers before/at/after a ballgame, just give me a cheap shitty domestic.

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I definitely get where you guys are coming from, but the quality of the buzz isn't the same. Cheap domestic beer (like the Old Style I drank last night) makes me feel like I got hit in the head with a shovel. It's a more "dirty" buzz and it's like you get more impaired but less euphoria. Not to mention, it also doesn't get you drunk.

 

Honestly, when I'm going out with any serious intent, I don't even bother with beer. When I try to dance with a stomach full of beer, it is not comfortable. Burping, nausea, etc. I also rarely drink beer at Wrigley, because I don't like missing half the game in the bathroom. When I drink top shelf liquor, I can drink like a fish without even slurring my words.

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This thread title keeps bugging me. It sounds like something Tor Johnson would mumble while having a stroke.

 

Or a Buzzfeed list. One of the two.

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It's a dad thing; my dad is coming over tonight to watch the game and is already bragging about how he tracked down some Old Style.

 

Is your dad Jimmy McGill?

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look at this guy who can't get drunk on beer or top shelf liquor.

 

took the words out of my mouth

 

oh and it gives him a dirty buzz, but NOPE not drunk

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look at this guy who can't get drunk on beer or top shelf liquor.

 

took the words out of my mouth

 

oh and it gives him a dirty buzz, but NOPE not drunk

This is not rocket science.

 

Your body processes alcohol at a rate of about 1 drink per hour on average. When you are drinking beer that is only 4-5% alcohol, this means that you aren't going to get very drunk unless you are slamming beers really fast. You can drink 8 beers over an 8 hour period and just maintain that same low-level buzz.

 

And, I mean, is it really that hard to believe that a person can tell the difference between top shelf alcohol and cheap domestic beer? I'm not making any extraordinary claims here. I never said I don't get drunk off of top shelf liquor. What I'm saying is that when you drink higher quality alcohol, the euphoria to impairment ratio is much more favorable. By euphoria, I pretty much mean "being drunk". When you drink higher quality alcohol, you get just as drunk, except you are not as impaired. You don't slur your words as much, and you aren't as confused.

 

Sorry if you guys think I'm being uppity.

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look at this guy who can't get drunk on beer or top shelf liquor.

 

took the words out of my mouth

 

oh and it gives him a dirty buzz, but NOPE not drunk

This is not rocket science.

 

Your body processes alcohol at a rate of about 1 drink per hour on average. When you are drinking beer that is only 4-5% alcohol, this means that you aren't going to get very drunk unless you are slamming beers really fast. You can drink 8 beers over an 8 hour period and just maintain that same low-level buzz.

 

And, I mean, is it really that hard to believe that a person can tell the difference between top shelf alcohol and cheap domestic beer? I'm not making any extraordinary claims here. I never said I don't get drunk off of top shelf liquor. What I'm saying is that when you drink higher quality alcohol, the euphoria to impairment ratio is much more favorable. By euphoria, I pretty much mean "being drunk". When you drink higher quality alcohol, you get just as drunk, except you are not as impaired. You don't slur your words as much, and you aren't as confused.

 

Sorry if you guys think I'm being uppity.

 

 

You don't slur your words as much and aren't as confused when you're drunk off top shelf?

 

 

And, yes, when I say pounding cheap shitty beer at baseball games, I mean more than 1 per hour.

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You don't slur your words as much and aren't as confused when you're drunk off top shelf?

That is correct.

 

I mean, if that wasn't the case, what would be the point of paying extra money for better booze? Do you think it's just a matter of taste? There is a reason for the price difference. The difference is in the way it is produced.

 

 

And, yes, when I say pounding cheap [expletive] beer at baseball games, I mean more than 1 per hour.

Point taken. Like I said, I totally understand where you are coming from. It is certainly possible to get drunk off of cheap domestic beer, don't get me wrong. It happens every day. It just requires putting more liquid into your system and urinating more.

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Goose Island is more than good enough for a baseball stadium.

 

Also: [expletive] IPA's.

 

Right on both accounts. Asking a place like Wrigley to have some 10% ABV imperial stout or double IPA available is kind of silly. 312 pale and wheat are both perfectly acceptable for a baseball game. And I'm the snobbiest of beer snobs.

 

Wtf are you talking about? Wheat beer? At a baseball game? Pilsner, lager

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You don't slur your words as much and aren't as confused when you're drunk off top shelf?

That is correct.

 

I mean, if that wasn't the case, what would be the point of paying extra money for better booze? Do you think it's just a matter of taste? There is a reason for the price difference. The difference is in the way it is produced.

 

 

And, yes, when I say pounding cheap [expletive] beer at baseball games, I mean more than 1 per hour.

Point taken. Like I said, I totally understand where you are coming from. It is certainly possible to get drunk off of cheap domestic beer, don't get me wrong. It happens every day. It just requires putting more liquid into your system and urinating more.

The worst person to judge whether they are slurring their words is the person drinking the booze.

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Goose Island is more than good enough for a baseball stadium.

 

Also: [expletive] IPA's.

 

Right on both accounts. Asking a place like Wrigley to have some 10% ABV imperial stout or double IPA available is kind of silly. 312 pale and wheat are both perfectly acceptable for a baseball game. And I'm the snobbiest of beer snobs.

 

Wtf are you talking about? Wheat beer? At a baseball game? Pilsner, lager

I went from really liking wheat beer to really disliking it in a hurry. Definitely wouldn't want to be pounding those at a game.

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I am definitely much more hungover and have far worse headaches if I drink too much crappy beer then if I drink too much craft beer, but I always attributed that to the additives and preservatives in the crappy beer. Not the "quality of the alcohol" or whatever you are trying to say. And drunk is drunk. This isn't beer vs crack
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I mean, it's not like you slur in French after too much Remi Martin Louie Xiii

You might get pretty snobby if you drink that much Louie, though.

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Any compelling evidence on the subject indicates that expectancy, mood and other psychosocial and psychosomatic factors are primarily what determines what "type" of drunk a person gets, not the quality (perceived or actual) of the drink. Poorly distilled alcohol can contain impurities like cogeners and non-ethyl alcohols (like methanol, propanol and butanol), and while these are (more) unhealthy, there's no empirical evidence that they affect the "type" of drunkenness in any way (though they may influence hangover).

 

Controlled studies have been conducted where subjects were administered standardized doses of alcohol up to predetermined BAC level, and in these, the subjects have reported wildly different effects and levels of inebriation, almost all of which were consistent with how they expected to be affected. So if you believe that drinking only top shelf will lead to "purer" states of inebriation, then that's probably what you will find to be the case. But there's no compelling evidence to indicate that this is anything but placebo. This is one area where perception and expectation really do shape reality.

 

And as far as quality (ratings, awards and such), data analysis shows that there is almost no correlation with cost (whiskey being a possible exception). So if you're ponying up for premium booze, you've been taken in by marketing, perception and snobbery (this doesn't apply nearly as much to beer, obviously).

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Any compelling evidence on the subject indicates that expectancy, mood and other psychosocial and psychosomatic factors are primarily what determines what "type" of drunk a person gets, not the quality (perceived or actual) of the drink. Poorly distilled alcohol can contain impurities like cogeners and non-ethyl alcohols like methanol, propanol and butanol), and while these are (more) unhealthy, there's no empirical evidence that they affect the "type" of drunkenness in any way (though they may influence hangover).

 

Controlled studies have been conducted where subjects were administered standardized doses of alcohol up to predetermined BAC level, and in these, the subjects have reported wildly different effects and levels of inebriation, almost all of which were consistent with how they expected to be affected. So if you believe that drinking only top shelf will lead to "purer" states of inebriation, then that's probably what you will find to be the case. But there's no compelling evidence to indicate that this is anything but placebo. This is one area where perception and expectation really do shape reality.

 

And as far as quality (ratings, awards and such), data analysis shows that there is almost no correlation with cost (whiskey being a possible exception). So if you're ponying up for premium booze, you've been taken in by marketing, perception and snobbery (this doesn't apply nearly as much to beer, obviously).

but cheap tequila is the devil

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Yeah, I've never heard that the buzz is better because you went top shelf over cheap well options. It's the after effects that make me stick to the top shelf stuff if I'm going to have a bunch of drinks. I also stay away from on tap beers, as the hangover from those are usually worse for me than bottled. That may be a myth, but my hangovers are worse on beer pumped through lines.

 

Now, certain boozes tend to create different types of buzzes. I know some people who should never drink vodka again as long as they live. But they seem to be fine on beer buzzes, rum and whiskey. And then I know some people who should never drink whiskey. Tequila sneaks up on me too dangerously, so I gave that up in my early 20's. I'll sip a nice smooth expensive blue agave tequila, but I won't get drunk on it ever again. Puking in a urinal at a strip club at 3am at my bachelor party was a day I'll never forget. At least what I remember of it. :|

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Any compelling evidence on the subject indicates that expectancy, mood and other psychosocial and psychosomatic factors are primarily what determines what "type" of drunk a person gets, not the quality (perceived or actual) of the drink. Poorly distilled alcohol can contain impurities like cogeners and non-ethyl alcohols (like methanol, propanol and butanol), and while these are (more) unhealthy, there's no empirical evidence that they affect the "type" of drunkenness in any way (though they may influence hangover).

 

Controlled studies have been conducted where subjects were administered standardized doses of alcohol up to predetermined BAC level, and in these, the subjects have reported wildly different effects and levels of inebriation, almost all of which were consistent with how they expected to be affected. So if you believe that drinking only top shelf will lead to "purer" states of inebriation, then that's probably what you will find to be the case. But there's no compelling evidence to indicate that this is anything but placebo. This is one area where perception and expectation really do shape reality.

 

And as far as quality (ratings, awards and such), data analysis shows that there is almost no correlation with cost (whiskey being a possible exception). So if you're ponying up for premium booze, you've been taken in by marketing, perception and snobbery (this doesn't apply nearly as much to beer, obviously).

You are out of your mind. The fact that most average Joe's on the street can't tell the difference isn't science.

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