Sports Media Thread

[Sammy Sofa]

Plus he didn't necessarily say it was weak. Just weaker than other 30 for 30's. 30 for 30's, overall, are mostly great, so that's not exactly saying it was a pile of crap.

 

Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it could have been a LOT better. I would have preferred something a little less fanboy-ish; I don't know if more critical is the right term, but something that really did try to figure out why a team that great didn't go on to more. This seemed to have a similar tone to the one about the Bills, which I thought was really well done, but this isn't a team that needs praising or vindication. This basically needed the opposite: OK, you guys are great at talking up how great you are, but what happened? If it really was simply Ryan leaving, then this could have just been one of the shorts, if bothering to make it at all.

 

Without having really experienced that era first-hand, I always got the impression that it was McMahon's injuries along with Ditka being a boob and being a boob with the QB position. And maybe some bad luck.

 

I will fully cop to wanting to see the Ditka myth deflated some more along those lines. But yeah, McMahon not staying healthy, the organization's terrible approach in general to the QB, focusing too much on defense, Ryan leaving, issues with the owners, etc., etc..

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't watched many of these since the original batch, but have they done any that were critical of an NFL team? That's not really their business model.

[David]

 

Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it could have been a LOT better. I would have preferred something a little less fanboy-ish; I don't know if more critical is the right term, but something that really did try to figure out why a team that great didn't go on to more. This seemed to have a similar tone to the one about the Bills, which I thought was really well done, but this isn't a team that needs praising or vindication. This basically needed the opposite: OK, you guys are great at talking up how great you are, but what happened? If it really was simply Ryan leaving, then this could have just been one of the shorts, if bothering to make it at all.

could it have used a little 30 for 30 The U type treatment?

 

Big time. Or "Pony Excess"-like, that really charts the downfall.

 

Basically if the point of it was to argue they were the best team ever, it failed. If the point was to figure out why they didn't go on to further greatness, it failed. It was just this muddled bunch of kinda fan-service basically just designed for the participating players and Ditka to talk themselves up.

 

And it was weird how they didn't touch on the problems the Fridge has gone through at all.

 

Watching it, I felt like Ditka wasn't painted in a positive light at all. Like I felt like minimizing him and making him look like a dummy was a major, if not completely overt, theme...between all the players directly criticizing him, McMahon talking about how he always called the wrong play, Wilson (IIRC) basically calling him an idiot for playing Flutie, the comments from Mongo (I think) about how they told the other guys to lift Ditka up at the end of the SB just so that he wouldn't whine about them raising Buddy up. Maybe that was my bias going in, but I came away thinking Ditka looked more along for the ride and less responsible for any success than ever, and I already didn't have a high opinion of him.

[Sammy Sofa]

I haven't watched many of these since the original batch, but have they done any that were critical of an NFL team? That's not really their business model.

 

The only ones that are truly critical of teams have been of college programs; that's why I said I was hesitant to say "more critical" because I wasn't looking for a hatchet job. Just something that looked more at what happened afterwards as opposed to the, IMO, boring and oft-repeated story of how they got to the top.

[Sammy Sofa]

could it have used a little 30 for 30 The U type treatment?

 

Big time. Or "Pony Excess"-like, that really charts the downfall.

 

Basically if the point of it was to argue they were the best team ever, it failed. If the point was to figure out why they didn't go on to further greatness, it failed. It was just this muddled bunch of kinda fan-service basically just designed for the participating players and Ditka to talk themselves up.

 

And it was weird how they didn't touch on the problems the Fridge has gone through at all.

 

Watching it, I felt like Ditka wasn't painted in a positive light at all. Like I felt like minimizing him and making him look like a dummy was a major, if not completely overt, theme...between all the players directly criticizing him, McMahon talking about how he always called the wrong play, Wilson (IIRC) basically calling him an idiot for playing Flutie, the comments from Mongo (I think) about how they told the other guys to lift Ditka up at the end of the SB just so that he wouldn't whine about them raising Buddy up. Maybe that was my bias going in, but I came away thinking Ditka looked more along for the ride and less responsible for any success than ever, and I already didn't have a high opinion of him.

 

To me, that IS the Ditka Myth; the big dumb animal who yelled and said dumb things and clashed with his players and the press but still got things done. As opposed to just an idiot who lucked into taking over a team with that defense.

[Brian707]

Damn, when did Netflix take the 30 for 30's off of their streaming service? I thought most if not all of the old ones were there not too long ago.

[Sammy Sofa]

Damn, when did Netflix take the 30 for 30's off of their streaming service? I thought most if not all of the old ones were there not too long ago.

 

Wait, what? They all up there this morning. Hell, ESPN was running commercials during the doc last night about how they're all on Netflix.

[Banedon]

Damn, when did Netflix take the 30 for 30's off of their streaming service? I thought most if not all of the old ones were there not too long ago.

 

They're there. I just checked on my phone.

[jersey cubs fan]

Damn, when did Netflix take the 30 for 30's off of their streaming service? I thought most if not all of the old ones were there not too long ago.

 

They're there. I just checked on my phone.

It's says right here - We are unable to send this DVD to you at this time

[David]

Some 30 for 30's are on Netflix streaming. Some aren't. They swap some in all the time. Even really new ones get up pretty quick.

[dawson1989]

Damn, when did Netflix take the 30 for 30's off of their streaming service? I thought most if not all of the old ones were there not too long ago.

 

They're there. I just checked on my phone.

It's says right here - We are unable to send this DVD to you at this time

 

You've got to be on the DVD site for searching because they are still there.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

They're there. I just checked on my phone.

It's says right here - We are unable to send this DVD to you at this time

 

You've got to be on the DVD site for searching because they are still there.

What site? I'm just reading the reply they sent me in reply to the mailed request.

[Sammy Sofa]

Some 30 for 30's are on Netflix streaming. Some aren't. They swap some in all the time. Even really new ones get up pretty quick.

 

I think all of them are supposed to be there for the time being. I can't think of one I haven't been able to find, plus ESPN's own commercials are claiming you can watch them all on Netflix right now.

[dawson1989]

It's says right here - We are unable to send this DVD to you at this time

 

You've got to be on the DVD site for searching because they are still there.

What site? I'm just reading the reply they sent me in reply to the mailed request.

 

Ah. Either all copies are spoken for or they got rid of it for DVDs. Still can stream though.

[David]

Some 30 for 30's are on Netflix streaming. Some aren't. They swap some in all the time. Even really new ones get up pretty quick.

 

I think all of them are supposed to be there for the time being. I can't think of one I haven't been able to find, plus ESPN's own commercials are claiming you can watch them all on Netflix right now.

 

I remember looking for the Bartman one several weeks ago and it wasn't up. It might be up now. I'm not sure they're ever all supposed to be up 100% of the time, but I could be wrong.

[Brian707]

Damn, when did Netflix take the 30 for 30's off of their streaming service? I thought most if not all of the old ones were there not too long ago.

 

They're there. I just checked on my phone.

 

 

Weird, must be my app, I see tons of them from my pc but the app comes up not found.

 

Edited.

 

Ok so when I am connected to my work's wifi It thinks I am in Europe, which is why I couldn't get 30 for 30 but I can see shows like The Big Bang Theory which I can't at home on my wifi network. I guess I can use this to my advantage. Sorry for the scare earlier saying that 30 for 30 was gone.

[Wilson A2000]

Was there a salary cap in the NFL in '85?

[David]

Was there a salary cap in the NFL in '85?

 

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[Banedon]

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[biittner77]

could it have used a little 30 for 30 The U type treatment?

 

Big time. Or "Pony Excess"-like, that really charts the downfall.

 

Basically if the point of it was to argue they were the best team ever, it failed. If the point was to figure out why they didn't go on to further greatness, it failed. It was just this muddled bunch of kinda fan-service basically just designed for the participating players and Ditka to talk themselves up.

 

And it was weird how they didn't touch on the problems the Fridge has gone through at all.

 

Watching it, I felt like Ditka wasn't painted in a positive light at all. Like I felt like minimizing him and making him look like a dummy was a major, if not completely overt, theme...between all the players directly criticizing him, McMahon talking about how he always called the wrong play, Wilson (IIRC) basically calling him an idiot for playing Flutie, the comments from Mongo (I think) about how they told the other guys to lift Ditka up at the end of the SB just so that he wouldn't whine about them raising Buddy up. Maybe that was my bias going in, but I came away thinking Ditka looked more along for the ride and less responsible for any success than ever, and I already didn't have a high opinion of him.

 

I didn't see the 30 for 30 so the following is based on what I remember from that era.

 

I think it's an over simplification to say that the Bears didn't win more because Ryan left. The West Coast offense was invented specifically as a means of defeating the 46 defense. Once SF had success others started to copy it the short pass to set up the run attack which the 46 couldn't consistently stop without otherworldly performances from the pass rushers.

 

A certain amount of "blame" for the lack of continued success has to go to the other teams in the NFC that had good players too. The Bears had a 4 year window and they won one super bowl.

[Felix Leiter]

I didn't see the 30 for 30 so the following is based on what I remember from that era.

 

I think it's an over simplification to say that the Bears didn't win more because Ryan left. The West Coast offense was invented specifically as a means of defeating the 46 defense. Once SF had success others started to copy it the short pass to set up the run attack which the 46 couldn't consistently stop without otherworldly performances from the pass rushers.

A certain amount of "blame" for the lack of continued success has to go to the other teams in the NFC that had good players too. The Bears had a 4 year window and they won one super bowl.

 

Actually the West Coast offense was started in the 1970's by Paul Brown of the Bengals. I believe Bill Walsh was an asst. coach. QBs like Virgil Carter and Ken Anderson ran it and then Bill Walsh took it to Stanford and then onto the 49ers.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's an over simplification to say that the Bears didn't win more because Ryan left. The West Coast offense was invented specifically as a means of defeating the 46 defense.

 

that is not the least bit true

[biittner77]

I think it's an over simplification to say that the Bears didn't win more because Ryan left. The West Coast offense was invented specifically as a means of defeating the 46 defense.

 

that is not the least bit true

 

Ok, so the West Coast offense was invented earlier. It became popular though because Walsh had success with it as coach of the 49ers. The point is that the post 85 Bears were up against teams that had multiple HOF players. Buddy Ryan leaving wasn't the problem.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's an over simplification to say that the Bears didn't win more because Ryan left. The West Coast offense was invented specifically as a means of defeating the 46 defense.

 

that is not the least bit true

 

Ok, so the West Coast offense was invented earlier. It became popular though because Walsh had success with it as coach of the 49ers. The point is that the post 85 Bears were up against teams that had multiple HOF players. Buddy Ryan leaving wasn't the problem.

Buddy Ryan leaving was absolutely a problem.

 

He was the only high level coach on the staff that was then left with an even bigger ego Ditka who couldn't strategize for horsefeathers. Buddy staying would have not guaranteed any additional wins. But his leaving precipitated the demise of the team. It wasn't the only problem, but it made the biggest problem, Ditka was a bad coach, even worse.

[dawson1989]

I didn't see the 30 for 30 so the following is based on what I remember from that era.

 

I think it's an over simplification to say that the Bears didn't win more because Ryan left. The West Coast offense was invented specifically as a means of defeating the 46 defense. Once SF had success others started to copy it the short pass to set up the run attack which the 46 couldn't consistently stop without otherworldly performances from the pass rushers.

A certain amount of "blame" for the lack of continued success has to go to the other teams in the NFC that had good players too. The Bears had a 4 year window and they won one super bowl.

 

Actually the West Coast offense was started in the 1970's by Paul Brown of the Bengals. I believe Bill Walsh was an asst. coach. QBs like Virgil Carter and Ken Anderson ran it and then Bill Walsh took it to Stanford and then onto the 49ers.

 

Bill Walsh was the OC and invented the offense while there and was widely believed to be the heir to Brown. Instead Brown betrayed him after promising he would tag Walsh as the new HC. Walsh actually decided to retire and went home to the Bay area. Stanford heard he was living there and called him and begged him to be there coach. Rest is history.

 

Anyways, point is Walsh invented it as the OC. Brown's role was that he tried to steal the credit.