Umm, is this the fucking Nomar thread?

[David]

Just what have I happened upon here?

 

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12505&p=252854&hilit=nomar#p252854

[Guest]

Nevermind, it's not..it's *A* nomar thread, sort of, tho...sort of fun to look at

 

did this one survive whatever happened because it was posted in later?

[Sammy Sofa]

Everyone should have listened to that the sport guy.

[imb]

Hendry is the man. We get Nomar without giving up Clement, Pie, Guz, Brownlie or any of the untouchables.

 

saddest thing i ever read

[SouthSideRyan]

Hendry is the man. We get Nomar without giving up Clement, Pie, Guz, Brownlie or any of the untouchables.

 

saddest thing i ever read

 

-Murton's power potential is probably on par with Brandon Sing and likely lower than Harvey and Dopirak. He's not some guy who's likely to end up as some also-ran on a AAA team. He's still relatively young and could have a good future ahead of him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lastly, 7 courner O.F.ers

1) Harvey

2) DuBois

3) Hoffpuair

4) Collins

5) Sing

6) Weston

7) Jackson

Their is no drastic differential between Murton and any of these OFer's overall game. And you can throw Mallory, Bacon, Johnson and Valdez in with that group

 

I can't even remember who Valdez was.

[bukie]

That was a trade where the Cubs essentially gave up no value and got the two best players in return. Definitely the highlight of Hendry's GM career.

 

What wasn't known at the time was how poor the organization was at player scouting and development. Couple that with a manager that had no idea how to manage the one development aspect Hendry excelled at (young pitching) and it ended in disaster.

[Guest]

That was a trade where the Cubs essentially gave up no value and got the two best players in return. Definitely the highlight of Hendry's GM career.

 

What wasn't known at the time was how poor the organization was at player scouting and development. Couple that with a manager that had no idea how to manage the one development aspect Hendry excelled at (young pitching) and it ended in disaster.

 

while at the time this trade was super awesome, i can't see how the lee and ramirez trades don't beat it by a mile.

[bukie]

That was a trade where the Cubs essentially gave up no value and got the two best players in return. Definitely the highlight of Hendry's GM career.

 

What wasn't known at the time was how poor the organization was at player scouting and development. Couple that with a manager that had no idea how to manage the one development aspect Hendry excelled at (young pitching) and it ended in disaster.

 

while at the time this trade was super awesome, i can't see how the lee and ramirez trades don't beat it by a mile.

I suppose that's true, since they also got the two best players in the Ramirez trade (aside, was that the biggest example of a team selling low in player history? The Pirates basically dumped Ramirez after running him out there injured for a year and destroying his value), and the Lee trade was for a young 1B coming off a scary injury that he never really recovered from.

[Clem Fandango]

-Murton's power potential is probably on par with Brandon Sing and likely lower than Harvey and Dopirak. He's not some guy who's likely to end up as some also-ran on a AAA team. He's still relatively young and could have a good future ahead of him.

 

I still wish Murton was able to find a place on the team. I liked him.

[Clem Fandango]

On another note, B-R's minor league numbers page now shows every stat for every level, league, etc. for a player and you can choose to hide certain levels, which is nice.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=murton001mat

[BigSlick]

-Murton's power potential is probably on par with Brandon Sing and likely lower than Harvey and Dopirak. He's not some guy who's likely to end up as some also-ran on a AAA team. He's still relatively young and could have a good future ahead of him.

 

I still wish Murton was able to find a place on the team. I liked him.

We'll always have that 2006 year where he was solidly above average for a while.

 

Seeing names like "Dopirak" and "Hoffpaiur" also gives me pangs of sadness. Thank god that *knocks on woods* the current batch of position players mostly panned out.

[ctcf]

Yeah uh hi could we please delete everything I posted in that thread and then probably for like, every year before 2010? Thanks

[ctcf]

also, so weird to see AGonz going to the Expos. Damn we're old.

[Careless]

Yeah uh hi could we please delete everything I posted in that thread and then probably for like, every year before 2010? Thanks

Own your teen years!

[Banedon]

Bah, it's not even a teen years thing. We all said dumb [expletive] back then.

[Backtobanks]

Bah, it's not even a teen years thing. We all said dumb [expletive] back then.

 

It's not a teen years thing or dumb [expletive], it's just fans being fickle. This player is great until we find a reason not to like him. Same with a manager, gm, or owner.

[imb]

god some of the names in that thread are awesome. we replaced jody gerut with matt lawton, but everyone wanted audrey huff!!!

[ctcf]

THIS HENDRY GUY IS GOING PLACES

[BigSlick]

this dude wasn't right about everything, but he had a better eye for the big picture than a lot of people:

 

This deal has all the earmarkings of becoming a longterm disaster for the Cubs. At best, they acquire yet another high-priced, declining, overrated player. Worse still, a 2 month rent-a-player. Even after the deal, the way this team is constructed, their is no gaurentee that they even make the playoffs. No gaurentee Wood and/or Prior are nearly as dominant down the stretch as they were last year. No gaurentee that Zambrano, Clement, Hawkins, and Farnsworth won't be toast by playoff time, due to over use. No gaurentee that Sosa and/or Alou won't be in another prolonged slump, as aging players are apt to do, especially as the year wears on.

Also, no gaurentee, but a VERY likely scenerio, as Garciapopup (no more Fenway monster for cheap fly ball HR's and thats the Sox fans nickname for him, by the way) declines steadily--scouts predict his range will be so lacking in a few short years that he will be forced to move from SS. Many scouts also feel he will have a Boggs-like drop-off in production if he ever changes teams. No gaurentee, but VERY likely that Harris will be a better middle infielder than Nomah, in just a few years. No gaurentee, but Beltran could still develop into a very good, inexpensive late inning RP.

And including Jones is proof that Hendry has a righty fetish. GAURENTEE, Jones was the ONLY lefty in the organization with the potential to be a superstar! On a Mets forum many fans are stating that they are thru with the Mets after their ill conceived dealing of Kazmir. I'm here to say that Jones has more projectability than Kazmir.

Jones for Mentk.? Scary to think what that Minnesota orginazation would do with Hendry's budget.

Speaking of budgets, Hendry has really built a house of cards, with all those millions tied up in old, declining players, while jettisoning a huge chunk of our inexpensive, talented future in exchange. With a payroll blouted with overpayed, old players, 2/3's of their rooster eligible either for free agency or arbitration, the Cubs will not sign their franchise first prime age FA. The Cubs have greatly diminished the likelyhood of a long run of success. Our lower level, minor league talent indicates the pipeline is clogged. We had less of it than most realize. FAR less after today. Hendry has fallen into the same trap that befalls most GM's--drunk with a little success. Many fans now giddy with praise may look back in a few short years and wonder how all those OTHER Cubs fans ever overrated Hendry so. They'll be saying how Hendry had a chance to build something really special and instead dropped the batton.

[NonProfitCow]

Everyone should have listened to that the sport guy.

gaurantee

 

7 [expletive] times

[Sammy Sofa]

Everyone should have listened to that the sport guy.

gaurantee

 

7 [expletive] times

 

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[ARCubsFan]

The Nomar trade was never bad, the Cubs gave up little value and got a pretty good player. Obviously the Hendry overreactions are bad. If this trade happened in 2015 with everything we know about baseball stats, the reaction would look completely different.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Nomar trade was never bad, the Cubs gave up little value and got a pretty good player. Obviously the Hendry overreactions are bad. If this trade happened in 2015 with everything we know about baseball stats, the reaction would look completely different.

 

Wait, how different do you think baseball stats are now vs. 11 years ago?

[ARCubsFan]

The Nomar trade was never bad, the Cubs gave up little value and got a pretty good player. Obviously the Hendry overreactions are bad. If this trade happened in 2015 with everything we know about baseball stats, the reaction would look completely different.

 

Wait, how different do you think baseball stats are now vs. 11 years ago?

The smarter baseball fans are in tune with sabermetrics at places like Northside Baseball. Nomar was a pretty bad player in 2004 before he got traded to Chicago (-0.1 WAR lol), I guarantee you the reaction would be completely different had it happened now compared to 11 years ago.