Coghlan expirement

[Guest]

i think this is a 100% deserved thread bump after how much he was ridiculed for the idea.

 

Can we start bumping everything he's been wrong and terrible about in response?

[Sammy Sofa]

To be honest I think on that weird fly ball in the first or second that Soler called for and then it dropped, if Russell had been at 2B I bet he would've made the play. But the Coghlan experiment did work.

 

Someone refresh my memory; what was Soler projected to be defensively? I thought part of the hype was that it was all but assumed he'd be fine out there. He's definitely got a cannon, but the routes he takes....yeeesh. And his speed is rough, though that obviously can be due to the injury.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Average to plus based on arm and athleticism, possibly declining as he bulked up.

 

But minor league defensive projections are pretty much always overhyped, so him going from that to poopy is pretty normal.

[Guest]

To be honest I think on that weird fly ball in the first or second that Soler called for and then it dropped, if Russell had been at 2B I bet he would've made the play. But the Coghlan experiment did work.

 

Someone refresh my memory; what was Soler projected to be defensively? I thought part of the hype was that it was all but assumed he'd be fine out there. He's definitely got a cannon, but the routes he takes....yeeesh. And his speed is rough, though that obviously can be due to the injury.

 

rough around the edges but acceptable with a cannon arm

[Guest]

Average to plus based on arm and athleticism, possibly declining as he bulked up.

 

But minor league defensive projections are pretty much always overhyped, so him going from that to poopy is pretty normal.

 

just yesterday i was thinking about your theory on this and then how bryant and russell have done (not that russell didn't have a good rep, but that he has lived up to it and possibly more)

 

i think it's more like sometimes scouts and people are wrong and sometimes they're right

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You mean Kris "Best Defensive 3b in the PCL" Bryant?

[BigSlick]

Weird that so many were adamant Bryant wouldn't be able to handle 3b but has done admirably well

 

Projecting defense is really hard I guess

[Guest]

You mean Kris "Best Defensive 3b in the PCL" Bryant?

 

you mean like the one report that said that amid most others questioning his ability to stick there?

 

are you really going to pretend the consensus on bryant's glove at 3B was that it was going to be very good?

[Guest]

Weird that so many were adamant Bryant wouldn't be able to handle 3b but has done admirably well

 

Projecting defense is really hard I guess

 

it's because he's goofy looking there and lanky and i guess people focus on things that don't matter that much (like throws that take your 1b into the baseline lol jk)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You mean Kris "Best Defensive 3b in the PCL" Bryant?

 

you mean like the one report that said that amid most others questioning his ability to stick there?

 

are you really going to pretend the consensus on bryant's glove at 3B was that it was going to be very good?

 

No, but the main point of my theory was always that the very best reports are the ones that get repeated over and over.

[Guest]

You mean Kris "Best Defensive 3b in the PCL" Bryant?

 

you mean like the one report that said that amid most others questioning his ability to stick there?

 

are you really going to pretend the consensus on bryant's glove at 3B was that it was going to be very good?

 

No, but the main point of my theory was always that the very best reports are the ones that get repeated over and over.

 

I'm sympathetic to your point here, but Bryant is a horrible example of it. We spent the whole offseason wondering if they were planning on moving him to LF right away or down the line, and he's got a +6 UZR at 3B in his introduction to MLB.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's cool. Bryant is definitely a counter data point no matter how you phrase it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

i think this is a 100% deserved thread bump after how much he was ridiculed for the idea.

 

Can we start bumping everything he's been wrong and terrible about in response?

Please don't. He's said way too much dumb [expletive].

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

i think this is a 100% deserved thread bump after how much he was ridiculed for the idea.

 

Can we start bumping everything he's been wrong and terrible about in response?

 

There's not enough room on the first page of the forum for that many threads.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

:lol:

 

Coghlan rocking a 27.8 UZR/150 at second base so far.

[Guest]

Average to plus based on arm and athleticism, possibly declining as he bulked up.

 

But minor league defensive projections are pretty much always overhyped, so him going from that to poopy is pretty normal.

 

just yesterday i was thinking about your theory on this and then how bryant and russell have done (not that russell didn't have a good rep, but that he has lived up to it and possibly more)

 

i think it's more like sometimes scouts and people are wrong and sometimes they're right

*ahem*

 

 

though I've been wrong about plenty of stuff

[Guest]

Average to plus based on arm and athleticism, possibly declining as he bulked up.

 

But minor league defensive projections are pretty much always overhyped, so him going from that to poopy is pretty normal.

 

just yesterday i was thinking about your theory on this and then how bryant and russell have done (not that russell didn't have a good rep, but that he has lived up to it and possibly more)

 

i think it's more like sometimes scouts and people are wrong and sometimes they're right

*ahem*

 

 

though I've been wrong about plenty of stuff

 

he's done well there but any positional conflict was pretty much taken out of the picture completely between castro's complete implosion, javy never coming up, schwarber being babe ruth, etc.

 

even if he were bad there'd be nowhere else for him to play right now. if we could have a better defensive alignment without sacrificing much offense, i'd still prefer it.

[sneakypower]

today i noticed Coghlan has same OPS as Justin Upton

 

as a Cub, he's got 5.1 fWAR in 815 PA...so basically a full season 4-win level

[Sammy Sofa]

Is he a FA next year?

[sneakypower]

next year is Arb 3, then he becomes a FA (assuming we don't first offer him a Ryan Sweeney contract he can't refuse)

[SouthSideRyan]

Sweeney 3/15 says I just stole your cash.