2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Guest]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

 

Hard to disagree with a any of what goony wrote.

 

Yeah, the only thing I'd probably include is that it wouldn't have mattered who the QB was in Chicago at the time, they needed to go out and get more depth on the OLine and they needed better play calling and they needed better offensive players. They didn't need to do these things just to satisfy Jay Cutler, they needed to do these things because that's what teams that want to go to the playoffs go out and do for their team.

[RynoRules]

@ChicagoBears: #Bears interviewed Brian Gaine (Texans) & Lake Dawson (Titans) for vacant GM position today.

 

I'm thinking that is more due diligence than genuine interest.

[rawaction]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

 

They hired Martz because they were trying to create a wide open fast paced scoring offense match Jay's talents. They fired him because Cutler got sacked a lot. They fired Lovie in order to bring in an offensive minded coach. Didn't say those were the primary reasons. But every move made in the last 5 years has been to get the most out of Cutler.

 

Trying to get the most out of Cutler was the absolute right idea. But it didn't work. Time to stop basing moves on him. And the sole reason for hiring Shanahan would be to recreate the success they had in Denver for a couple years.

[Guest]

So they're gonna give Ballard his second interview and squeezed in the other two guys on one day.

 

They should just change tomorrow's interview to the PC. We'll have to wait until Thur or Fri though I'm sure.

[rawaction]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

 

Hard to disagree with a any of what goony wrote.

 

Yeah, the only thing I'd probably include is that it wouldn't have mattered who the QB was in Chicago at the time, they needed to go out and get more depth on the OLine and they needed better play calling and they needed better offensive players. They didn't need to do these things just to satisfy Jay Cutler, they needed to do these things because that's what teams that want to go to the playoffs go out and do for their team.

 

So u think they would have gone thru 4 OCs and a successful head coach if Kyle Orton was the QB this whole time?

[Guest]

So if they never trade for Cutler and continue down the Orton and Grossman path, they never try to upgrade from Turner?

[Guest]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

 

Hard to disagree with a any of what goony wrote.

 

Yeah, the only thing I'd probably include is that it wouldn't have mattered who the QB was in Chicago at the time, they needed to go out and get more depth on the OLine and they needed better play calling and they needed better offensive players. They didn't need to do these things just to satisfy Jay Cutler, they needed to do these things because that's what teams that want to go to the playoffs go out and do for their team.

 

So u think they would have gone thru 4 OCs and a successful head coach if Kyle Orton was the QB this whole time?

They definitely go through Turner. And Tice.

 

About the only area you are on is that they hired Trestman to get the most out of Jay so they could run an offense first team.

 

Never saw Martz as "for Jay". Wasn't he very critical of Jay as a media member? Seemed like just a hire of convenience BG Lovie, as was Tice.

Edited January 7, 2015 by WrigleyField 22

[SpongeWorthy]

Let's make a wild offer for Urban Meyer and trade for Kaepernick

[minnesotacubsfan]

[expletive] that I hate Kaepernick

[Butterscup1679666578]

ill be honest, those two hours of chip kelly leaving philly got me really intrigued. alas.

[Butterscup1679666578]

maybe we should #backupthetruck for pete carroll

[Lenny]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

They hired Martz because they were trying to create a wide open fast paced scoring offense match Jay's talents. They fired him because Cutler got sacked a lot.

 

Trying to get the most out of Cutler was the absolute right idea. But it didn't work. Time to stop basing moves on him. And the sole reason for hiring Shanahan would be to recreate the success they had in Denver for a couple years.

 

Martz got the gig because of familiarity/friendship from the Greatest Show on Turf days . Nothing more nothing less.

 

The rest of your post is spot on. Do people really think Shanahan has the power to turn Cutler into something he hasn't been after nine years in the league? What if/when it inevitably fails? You're back to where you are right now only it's two or three years later.

 

Hire Shanahan if you think he's the best medium-long term option to sort out this franchise's myriad problems, not because you think he's "the last, best hope" to salvage something resembling elite from Cutler.

 

I swear this guy is turning into this generation's Jeff George

[Lenny]

 

I don't buy that the Bears were trying to win because of Cutler, they had perhaps the most talent at skill players on Offense as anyone in the league. They were trying to win WITH Cutler.

 

absolutely, the Bears have historically suffered when he's been out because, well, the vast expanse of the great QB Wilderness.

 

Why is there such a clamor about this? Jay is going to be treated like any other starting quarterback when the new coach comes in. It's not like coaches get to come in and pick a quarterback to fill the open qb position. the ones who do get ridden out of town quickly because, well, the vast expanse of the QB Wilderness and the bitter cold of its desolation.

 

when Cutler is gone, my little lordlings, you will scoff at such winters as this when the snow falls a hundred feet deep and kings freeze in their castles the same as the smallfolk in their huts. when the white walkers move through the woods.

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you had your tongue or a bottle of Stolichnaya firmly implanted in your cheek when you typed this horse [expletive]

[Guest]

Let's make a wild offer for Urban Meyer and trade for Kaepernick

 

Malzahn.

[Sammy Sofa]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

 

They hired Martz because they were trying to create a wide open fast paced scoring offense match Jay's talents. They fired him because Cutler got sacked a lot. They fired Lovie in order to bring in an offensive minded coach. Didn't say those were the primary reasons. But every move made in the last 5 years has been to get the most out of Cutler.

 

To get the most out of the QB. Who happened to be Cutler.

[Guest]

To get the most out of the offense.

 

They went full tilt with Jay with Trestman. Then fired the guy who designed that.

[Sammy Sofa]

To get the most out of the offense.

 

They went full tilt with Jay with Trestman. Then fired the guy who designed that.

 

To me the only real Cutler-centric move was getting Marshall; given Marshall's rep then I doubt they make the move to trade for him if they don't have Cutler.

 

Everything else were just moves to try and maximize what you can get out of your QB, which I hope to [expletive] God they would have tried to do regardless of whether or not they had Cutler. I mean, arguments that trying to improve the wretched OL and receivers and OC's were done only to cater the offense to Cutler? That's absurd.

[Guest]

You think Emery talks about the most important relationship being between the HC and QB if Orton is the QB?

 

I could definitely see them targeting Marshall whoever the QB is.

[Sammy Sofa]

You think Emery talks about the most important relationship being between the HC and QB if Orton is the QB?

 

I could definitely see them targeting Marshall whoever the QB is.

 

If the rumors of them being so frustrated with Marshall are true, then no, I seriously doubt they go after him without Cutler. Look how they've mostly handled problematic players for a while now.

 

And yes, I really, really hope the Bears wouldn't have been stupid enough to not realize the critical central importance of the QB to the point that they still had Kyle Orton in 2014.

[Guest]

You think Emery talks about the most important relationship being between the HC and QB if Orton is the QB?

 

I could definitely see them targeting Marshall whoever the QB is.

 

If the rumors of them being so frustrated with Marshall are true, then no, I seriously doubt they go after him without Cutler. Look how they've mostly handled problematic players for a while now.

 

And yes, I really, really hope the Bears wouldn't have been stupid enough to not realize the critical central importance of the QB to the point that they still had Kyle Orton in 2014.

Well yea they probably have gone through Brady Quinn and Geno Smith by 2014 or something similar if they don't trade for Cutler.

[Sammy Sofa]

You think Emery talks about the most important relationship being between the HC and QB if Orton is the QB?

 

I could definitely see them targeting Marshall whoever the QB is.

 

If the rumors of them being so frustrated with Marshall are true, then no, I seriously doubt they go after him without Cutler. Look how they've mostly handled problematic players for a while now.

 

And yes, I really, really hope the Bears wouldn't have been stupid enough to not realize the critical central importance of the QB to the point that they still had Kyle Orton in 2014.

Well yea they probably have gone through Brady Quinn and Geno Smith by 2014 or something similar if they don't trade for Cutler.

 

And whoever they had there they would have been scrambling to improve their QB production.

[Lenny]

You think Emery talks about the most important relationship being between the HC and QB if Orton is the QB?

 

I could definitely see them targeting Marshall whoever the QB is.

 

If the rumors of them being so frustrated with Marshall are true, then no, I seriously doubt they go after him without Cutler. Look how they've mostly handled problematic players for a while now.

 

And yes, I really, really hope the Bears wouldn't have been stupid enough to not realize the critical central importance of the QB to the point that they still had Kyle Orton in 2014.

Well yea they probably have gone through Brady Quinn and Geno Smith by 2014 or something similar if they don't trade for Cutler.

 

And whoever they had there they would have been scrambling to improve their QB production.

 

 

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Be honest Mojo, you've gone full [expletive] on Jay.

 

Dude's an OK QB going forward. Nothing more.

[Sammy Sofa]

I...

 

I don't understand what you were possibly responding to in this discussion. Where I was defending Cutler's performance?

[Lenny]

I...

 

I don't understand what you were possibly responding to in this discussion. Where I was defending Cutler's performance?

 

Mojo you and Sulley have not just been on the Cutler bandwagon, you two have been dragging it.

 

Somehow anyone who has an alternative viewpoint on Cutler's value get's labeled a meatball, don't lie.

[Sammy Sofa]

If somebody is a meatball with a meatball viewpoint on Cutler, then yes, they are a meatball. There are, however, many different takes on Cutler that are not meatballish. I don't know what yours is, but I have a feeling it is five alarm hot.

 

I disagree with the idea that the Bears' efforts to shift to a stronger QB-driven offense has been mostly tailored to fit/please Cutler. Improving a terrible OL, improving your terrible receivers and trying to find an OC that isn't a mouthbreather is what a team is supposed to be doing.