2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Guest]

Shanahan is younger than I thought...since he's been around so long I assumed he was nearing 70. He will be 63 before the start of 2015. That's still too old...even if he's successful 4 years seems about right.

 

Same age as Carroll.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

 

The answer to your question is because quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You could trade him tomorrow and never come close to competent QB play for 10 years, enough to cycle through 2-3 more administrations.

 

Cutler gives you the best chance to be competitive next year and going forward until you find (probably draft and develop) his replacement.

[Banedon]

Shanahan is younger than I thought...since he's been around so long I assumed he was nearing 70. He will be 63 before the start of 2015. That's still too old...even if he's successful 4 years seems about right.

 

Same age as Carroll.

 

Oldest coach to win a Super Bowl was Dick Vermeil at age 63. George Halas won a championship at 68.

[Guest]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

 

The answer to your question is because quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You could trade him tomorrow and never come close to competent QB play for 10 years, enough to cycle through 2-3 more administrations.

 

Cutler gives you the best chance to be competitive next year and going forward until you find (probably draft and develop) his replacement.

I agree with this. 2016 could be the year to grab a first or second rd QB. If all goes well you transition in 17/18.

 

I don't see 2015 as the year we grab our next QB.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell 1m1 minute ago

Multiple sources indicate Texans DProP Brian Gaine is on the Bears' schedule for GM interview today. Bears have not confirmed that, though.

[Banedon]

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell 1m1 minute ago

Multiple sources indicate Texans DProP Brian Gaine is on the Bears' schedule for GM interview today. Bears have not confirmed that, though.

 

http://prod.static.dolphins.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/MIA/article-thumbnails/news/2012/June/Gaine_Brian.jpg

[apete6]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

 

The answer to your question is because quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You could trade him tomorrow and never come close to competent QB play for 10 years, enough to cycle through 2-3 more administrations.

 

Cutler gives you the best chance to be competitive next year and going forward until you find (probably draft and develop) his replacement.

I agree with this. 2016 could be the year to grab a first or second rd QB. If all goes well you transition in 17/18.

 

I don't see 2015 as the year we grab our next QB.

 

Yep, everyone is so ready to get rid of Cutler. Have they watched the past 50 years of Bears QBs and seen about 10-15 other teams' QB situations? The roster isn't in a place to rebuild right now ($22MM guaranteed to Cutler, $12MM guaranteed to Allen, brand new extension to Marshall, last years of decent Forte) and with any competent coaching system, it has 7 to 11 win talent. Look, Cutler is never going to be the NFL MVP and the Bears probably won't win a SB with him, but unless you're ready to roll the dice on drafting a QB at #7 AND eat $22MM or figure out a trade of Cutler (and in turn, cut or trade Marshall most likely unless you want to deal with that situation), you try to make this work for the next year or two. If it works and you make the playoffs, you continue to build through the draft and FA.

 

If not, you completely blow it up after 2016 and hope the next 2 years worth of drafts (15 and 16) were good enough to be the basis for a complete rebuild.

[jersey cubs fan]

He uses Brian Baldinger's finger as an ear.

[Guest]

My somewhat lazy reason for liking Gaine is his close association with Parcells and his vast tree of execs and coaches.

[rawaction]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

 

The answer to your question is because quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You could trade him tomorrow and never come close to competent QB play for 10 years, enough to cycle through 2-3 more administrations.

 

Cutler gives you the best chance to be competitive next year and going forward until you find (probably draft and develop) his replacement.

 

Yes, this.

[rawaction]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

 

The answer to your question is because quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You could trade him tomorrow and never come close to competent QB play for 10 years, enough to cycle through 2-3 more administrations.

 

Cutler gives you the best chance to be competitive next year and going forward until you find (probably draft and develop) his replacement.

I agree with this. 2016 could be the year to grab a first or second rd QB. If all goes well you transition in 17/18.

 

I don't see 2015 as the year we grab our next QB.

 

Yep, everyone is so ready to get rid of Cutler. Have they watched the past 50 years of Bears QBs and seen about 10-15 other teams' QB situations? The roster isn't in a place to rebuild right now ($22MM guaranteed to Cutler, $12MM guaranteed to Allen, brand new extension to Marshall, last years of decent Forte) and with any competent coaching system, it has 7 to 11 win talent. Look, Cutler is never going to be the NFL MVP and the Bears probably won't win a SB with him, but unless you're ready to roll the dice on drafting a QB at #7 AND eat $22MM or figure out a trade of Cutler (and in turn, cut or trade Marshall most likely unless you want to deal with that situation), you try to make this work for the next year or two. If it works and you make the playoffs, you continue to build through the draft and FA.

 

If not, you completely blow it up after 2016 and hope the next 2 years worth of drafts (15 and 16) were good enough to be the basis for a complete rebuild.

 

That's what I'm saying. You make it work WITH him not BECAUSE of him. The Bears up until last week were trying to win because of Cutler. They've tried getting the best out of him, and it hasn't been good enough. I don't want to say they need to try to win in spite of Cutler, but they don't need to build the franchise around him and that mostly includes making a coaching decision with him in mind first and foremost (the way Trestman was and the way Martz was hired and fired).

[Guest]

i don't understand what people mean by "the Bears don't need to build around Cutler" as if getting talented players and coaches to put around your quarterback is some sort of controversial topic.

 

the Bears tried to get a coach that could do offense good. He was the coach when Jay Cutler was here. in no way does that imply that they hired a coach to babysit Cutler and be his therapist. They hired Trestman thinking that he was a brilliant offensive mind. they were wrong about that.

Edited January 6, 2015 by Stannis

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

 

The answer to your question is because quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You could trade him tomorrow and never come close to competent QB play for 10 years, enough to cycle through 2-3 more administrations.

 

Cutler gives you the best chance to be competitive next year and going forward until you find (probably draft and develop) his replacement.

I agree with this. 2016 could be the year to grab a first or second rd QB. If all goes well you transition in 17/18.

 

I don't see 2015 as the year we grab our next QB.

 

Yep, everyone is so ready to get rid of Cutler. Have they watched the past 50 years of Bears QBs and seen about 10-15 other teams' QB situations? The roster isn't in a place to rebuild right now ($22MM guaranteed to Cutler, $12MM guaranteed to Allen, brand new extension to Marshall, last years of decent Forte) and with any competent coaching system, it has 7 to 11 win talent. Look, Cutler is never going to be the NFL MVP and the Bears probably won't win a SB with him, but unless you're ready to roll the dice on drafting a QB at #7 AND eat $22MM or figure out a trade of Cutler (and in turn, cut or trade Marshall most likely unless you want to deal with that situation), you try to make this work for the next year or two. If it works and you make the playoffs, you continue to build through the draft and FA.

 

If not, you completely blow it up after 2016 and hope the next 2 years worth of drafts (15 and 16) were good enough to be the basis for a complete rebuild.

 

That's what I'm saying. You make it work WITH him not BECAUSE of him. The Bears up until last week were trying to win because of Cutler. They've tried getting the best out of him, and it hasn't been good enough. I don't want to say they need to try to win in spite of Cutler, but they don't need to build the franchise around him and that mostly includes making a coaching decision with him in mind first and foremost (the way Trestman was and the way Martz was hired and fired).

 

I don't buy that the Bears were trying to win because of Cutler, they had perhaps the most talent at skill players on Offense as anyone in the league. They were trying to win WITH Cutler.

[Guest]

i mean, the fans and media put such unrealistic expectations on Jay Cutler and because he couldn't meet these whacked-out pipe dreams he's a monstrous coach killer. Jay is a quarterback, a pretty good quarterback. What on earth do people expect from him?

 

Don't blame Jay Cutler because your own twisted sense of entitlement dictates that he be some sort of demigod.

[Guest]

 

I don't buy that the Bears were trying to win because of Cutler, they had perhaps the most talent at skill players on Offense as anyone in the league. They were trying to win WITH Cutler.

 

absolutely, the Bears have historically suffered when he's been out because, well, the vast expanse of the great QB Wilderness.

 

Why is there such a clamor about this? Jay is going to be treated like any other starting quarterback when the new coach comes in. It's not like coaches get to come in and pick a quarterback to fill the open qb position. the ones who do get ridden out of town quickly because, well, the vast expanse of the QB Wilderness and the bitter cold of its desolation.

 

when Cutler is gone, my little lordlings, you will scoff at such winters as this when the snow falls a hundred feet deep and kings freeze in their castles the same as the smallfolk in their huts. when the white walkers move through the woods.

[rawaction]

I never said I wanted to get rid of Cutler. But the Bears have done a ton to make Cutler as good as he could be. Whether they've been the right moves or not, the signed Orlando Pace. They traded for Marshall. They traded up for Jeffery. They hired Martz, then fired Martz because of Jay. They fired Lovie because of Cutler. They invested heavily in the OL and offense for Cutler. They hired a supposed QB whisperer because of Cutler. And they ditched McCown for Cutler.

 

Now they should have done all that and more for their franchise QB, and a legit one at that. But despite all of that, Cutler led the league in turnovers and didn't score enough points to win games. Obviously, not even close to all his fault, but it is what it is.

 

Now they need to prepare for life after Cutler and hope that it ends well and further down the road than expected. Shanahan would be a coach to try to get one last corner turned by Cutler instead of getting the best guy for the job, IMO.

[Guest]

I'm not sure what you're point is raw. Anything that's "good for Cutler" is going to be good for the team and the next QB. Shanny is the closest "for Jay" move, but I think his overall QB/offense track record is good enough that whoever our QB is post Cutler would benefit as well, if that's where we find ourselves. Really the question with Shanny is if he can bring i the right D assistants and if he will actually come in without full roster control be happy wit that and and be able to work in that set up under Ballard.

 

What they can't do is treat Jay like a QB who is gonna lead us in shoot outs with a shitty D. I don't think you'll find any disagreement with restoring balance to the team and putting less on Cutlers shoulders.

[Guest]

Due to the bad drafting we found ourselves doing circa 2009-2012, we're probably at least two years away from asking ourselves if we should move on from Cutler so we can retain other players. At that point we could actually walk away. And two is aggressive... if Emery drafts 2 and 3 don't start panning out, were 4 years away from such dilemmas.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Huh?

[minnesotacubsfan]

so, sitting at #39, would any of you consider drafting Petty or Hundley in the 2nd? Stock him away for the end of Cutlers tenure?

[jersey cubs fan]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

[RynoRules]

What the hell are you talking about raw? They hired Martz and fired martz because of jay? They fired lovie because of jay? They signed Orlando pace because of jay?

 

 

This is all ridiculous. They fired lovie because they didn't win enough and hired trestman because emery was a good who bought his book. The Bears wanted to go from a defense first team that didn't win enough to an offense centric team that won more, but their head coach can't lead for squat and nobody bought his schtick.

 

The narrative that this has been all about jay does not hold up.

 

Hard to disagree with a any of what goony wrote.

[Guest]

so, sitting at #39, would any of you consider drafting Petty or Hundley in the 2nd? Stock him away for the end of Cutlers tenure?

 

I don't think Hundley makes it to the second round (he'll test well at the Combine and QBs get overpicked). For Petty, it really depends on his health. Right now, the consensus seems to have him lower than 39 so I wouldn't be that excited about him.

[minnesotacubsfan]

so, sitting at #39, would any of you consider drafting Petty or Hundley in the 2nd? Stock him away for the end of Cutlers tenure?

 

I don't think Hundley makes it to the second round (he'll test well at the Combine and QBs get overpicked). For Petty, it really depends on his health. Right now, the consensus seems to have him lower than 39 so I wouldn't be that excited about him.

 

 

walter has him going a pick before us (Hundley), hence my thought.

 

http://walterfootball.com/index.php

[Guest]

@ChicagoBears: #Bears interviewed Brian Gaine (Texans) & Lake Dawson (Titans) for vacant GM position today.