Week 14: Someone @ Who Cares? Thursday

[UMFan83]

Man our opponents have been killing us in the media this year

 

I asked Scandrick what the Cowboys, who have struggled this season on defense, did to really shut down the offense for the first three quarters in building a 35-7 lead.

 

“Just changing up the looks,” Scandrick said. “Jay kind of struggles when he doesn’t know and he has to read it. When he knows what you are in and he pinpoints what you are in, he’s got the arm to make all the throws.”

 

Scandrick had a very simple explanation for why the Bears have not been more explosive offensively this season. It’s an explanation I’m pretty sure you’ve heard tossed around.

 

“They don’t run the ball,” Scandrick said, putting an emphasis on each word. “Who cares if you can make plays when you are down 35-7? I mean, they don’t run the ball. They throw it every time. It is just so hard to be able to throw the ball every time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. I can’t say I have seen a team do that before.”

[minnesotacubsfan]

I thought running the ball was dead in the NFL?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Also, will. BMarsh lose his spleen?

[WrigleyField 22]

Last night they actually tried a few runs early, but didn't run the ball well. Now the defense still did do well early so they shouldn't have pressed and abandoned the run as early as they did.

 

Also I kind of feel that there might be a money ball type effect with running the ball. Passing increases are here to stay, but while a lot of teams have gone a mimicked the Pats/Packers type offenses and defenses changed to defend them some teams have taken the opportunity to put together good offenses based around a power run scheme and vertical/PA pass game. And with all but Ind are doing so without generational type QBs.

 

 

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[Soul]

Man our opponents have been killing us in the media this year

 

I asked Scandrick what the Cowboys, who have struggled this season on defense, did to really shut down the offense for the first three quarters in building a 35-7 lead.

 

“Just changing up the looks,” Scandrick said. “Jay kind of struggles when he doesn’t know and he has to read it. When he knows what you are in and he pinpoints what you are in, he’s got the arm to make all the throws.”

 

Scandrick had a very simple explanation for why the Bears have not been more explosive offensively this season. It’s an explanation I’m pretty sure you’ve heard tossed around.

 

“They don’t run the ball,” Scandrick said, putting an emphasis on each word. “Who cares if you can make plays when you are down 35-7? I mean, they don’t run the ball. They throw it every time. It is just so hard to be able to throw the ball every time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. I can’t say I have seen a team do that before.”

 

FWIW I don't see that statement as particularly harsh.

[WrigleyField 22]

Man our opponents have been killing us in the media this year

 

I asked Scandrick what the Cowboys, who have struggled this season on defense, did to really shut down the offense for the first three quarters in building a 35-7 lead.

 

“Just changing up the looks,” Scandrick said. “Jay kind of struggles when he doesn’t know and he has to read it. When he knows what you are in and he pinpoints what you are in, he’s got the arm to make all the throws.”

 

Scandrick had a very simple explanation for why the Bears have not been more explosive offensively this season. It’s an explanation I’m pretty sure you’ve heard tossed around.

 

“They don’t run the ball,” Scandrick said, putting an emphasis on each word. “Who cares if you can make plays when you are down 35-7? I mean, they don’t run the ball. They throw it every time. It is just so hard to be able to throw the ball every time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. I can’t say I have seen a team do that before.”

 

FWIW I don't see that statement as particularly harsh.

He basically called out our entire offensive gameplan. And others have.

 

And said Cutler is basically defenseless against any complexity... Which is kinda ridiculous because last night wasn't a "bad Jay" night.

 

I could have envisioned a season where we missed the playoffs but Trestmans security was in place, but not with the way we've been losing.

 

 

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[Banedon]

He was right on about running the ball though.

[JonJayCutler]

Not only that, but they didn't "shut down" the offense, their offense just destroyed the TOP. Bears had only 3 drives in the first half, scored a TD on one. Defense can't get off the field, forces the offense to drive for 7 every time they touch the ball due to fewer possessions. Halves go by quickly. So Dallas can hide behind the "garbage time" façade, but the truth is their mediocre defense was bailed out by our defense, oddly enough.

 

As far as play-calling, this all feels like 2009 in a lot of ways. Fall behind early, abandon the run, pass pass pass.

[Soul]

Man our opponents have been killing us in the media this year

 

I asked Scandrick what the Cowboys, who have struggled this season on defense, did to really shut down the offense for the first three quarters in building a 35-7 lead.

 

“Just changing up the looks,” Scandrick said. “Jay kind of struggles when he doesn’t know and he has to read it. When he knows what you are in and he pinpoints what you are in, he’s got the arm to make all the throws.”

 

Scandrick had a very simple explanation for why the Bears have not been more explosive offensively this season. It’s an explanation I’m pretty sure you’ve heard tossed around.

 

“They don’t run the ball,” Scandrick said, putting an emphasis on each word. “Who cares if you can make plays when you are down 35-7? I mean, they don’t run the ball. They throw it every time. It is just so hard to be able to throw the ball every time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. I can’t say I have seen a team do that before.”

 

FWIW I don't see that statement as particularly harsh.

He basically called out our entire offensive gameplan. And others have.

 

And said Cutler is basically defenseless against any complexity... Which is kinda ridiculous because last night wasn't a "bad Jay" night.

 

I could have envisioned a season where we missed the playoffs but Trestmans security was in place, but not with the way we've been losing.

 

 

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I've heard others call out the Bears' offensive gameplan over the years, and in more of a mocking manner. It escapes me right now who, but I feel like it happened more than once during the Lovie / Shoop eras.

 

I mean he's just saying what is obvious. We run the ball like crap. So we try to throw it every damn down and once we get down by 3 touchdowns all of sudden we look better because it's garbage time.

 

Sure, he's criticizing the Bears but it's not like this is new. I don't like hearing it either but obviously the solution is to play [expletive] better football.

[WrigleyField 22]

It was different when we had defensive team identity and our play calling was called out.

 

 

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[Guest]

Man our opponents have been killing us in the media this year

 

I asked Scandrick what the Cowboys, who have struggled this season on defense, did to really shut down the offense for the first three quarters in building a 35-7 lead.

 

“Just changing up the looks,” Scandrick said. “Jay kind of struggles when he doesn’t know and he has to read it. When he knows what you are in and he pinpoints what you are in, he’s got the arm to make all the throws.”

 

Scandrick had a very simple explanation for why the Bears have not been more explosive offensively this season. It’s an explanation I’m pretty sure you’ve heard tossed around.

 

“They don’t run the ball,” Scandrick said, putting an emphasis on each word. “Who cares if you can make plays when you are down 35-7? I mean, they don’t run the ball. They throw it every time. It is just so hard to be able to throw the ball every time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. I can’t say I have seen a team do that before.”

 

FWIW I don't see that statement as particularly harsh.

He basically called out our entire offensive gameplan. And others have.

 

And said Cutler is basically defenseless against any complexity... Which is kinda ridiculous because last night wasn't a "bad Jay" night.

 

I could have envisioned a season where we missed the playoffs but Trestmans security was in place, but not with the way we've been losing.

 

 

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I've heard others call out the Bears' offensive gameplan over the years, and in more of a mocking manner. It escapes me right now who, but I feel like it happened more than once during the Lovie / Shoop eras.

 

I mean he's just saying what is obvious. We run the ball like crap. So we try to throw it every damn down and once we get down by 3 touchdowns all of sudden we look better because it's garbage time.

 

Sure, he's criticizing the Bears but it's not like this is new. I don't like hearing it either but obviously the solution is to play [expletive] better football.

I think it's pretty insightful.

Last night they actually tried a few runs early, but didn't run the ball well. Now the defense still did do well early so they shouldn't have pressed and abandoned the run as early as they did.

 

Also I kind of feel that there might be a money ball type effect with running the ball. Passing increases are here to stay, but while a lot of teams have gone a mimicked the Pats/Packers type offenses and defenses changed to defend them some teams have taken the opportunity to put together good offenses based around a power run scheme and vertical/PA pass game. And with all but Ind are doing so without generational type QBs.

 

 

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Man our opponents have been killing us in the media this year

 

I asked Scandrick what the Cowboys, who have struggled this season on defense, did to really shut down the offense for the first three quarters in building a 35-7 lead.

 

“Just changing up the looks,” Scandrick said. “Jay kind of struggles when he doesn’t know and he has to read it. When he knows what you are in and he pinpoints what you are in, he’s got the arm to make all the throws.”

 

Scandrick had a very simple explanation for why the Bears have not been more explosive offensively this season. It’s an explanation I’m pretty sure you’ve heard tossed around.

 

“They don’t run the ball,” Scandrick said, putting an emphasis on each word. “Who cares if you can make plays when you are down 35-7? I mean, they don’t run the ball. They throw it every time. It is just so hard to be able to throw the ball every time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. I can’t say I have seen a team do that before.”

[apete6]

PFT Commentator with a strong take. Not his best work, but still entertaining.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/5/7339251/roasting-jay-cutler

[cubbyvirus00]

Terry Boers was on air yesterday basically saying his Bears source cited that the team is not looking to make a change to either Trestman or Emery.

 

 

Mel will likely be the fall guy this offseason and then Trestman will struggle to find a lame duck DC for 1 year.

 

 

This franchise is all sorts of stupid. Reminds me of Bill Wirtz and the Blackhawks.

[UMFan83]

Terry Boers was on air yesterday basically saying his Bears source cited that the team is not looking to make a change to either Trestman or Emery.

 

 

Mel will likely be the fall guy this offseason and then Trestman will struggle to find a lame duck DC for 1 year.

 

 

This franchise is all sorts of stupid. Reminds me of Bill Wirtz and the Blackhawks.

 

After calming down from my rant yesterday, I now agree they probably wont make a change. That said, if it continues to get worse, things might change.

[Guest]

It doesn't get much more embarrassing than last night's game. The same stupid special teams mistakes are made over and over again, and then they add new ones just to give us new things to be embarrassed about.

 

There are so many things wrong with this team with little hope of fixing it. Just blow it up!

[Banedon]

Per Schefter, Marshall is still in the hospital after being successfully treated for 2 broken ribs and a collapsed lung. Out for the season.

[Guest]

Ugh.

[minnesotacubsfan]

At least his spleen is ok

[minnesotacubsfan]

Besides this will give us more Wilson glimpses to see what he can do

[rawaction]

Terry Boers was on air yesterday basically saying his Bears source cited that the team is not looking to make a change to either Trestman or Emery.

 

 

Mel will likely be the fall guy this offseason and then Trestman will struggle to find a lame duck DC for 1 year.

 

 

This franchise is all sorts of stupid. Reminds me of Bill Wirtz and the Blackhawks.

 

This franchise is stupid. Hiring a hipster GM, who unsurprisingly hires a way outside the box coach, having a franchise QB and not giving him any help for 4 years. But keeping Trestman and Emery doesn't make them stupid.

 

Emery has no realistic shot at being fired. He's only had 3 years, and 1 of them was basically inheriting Angelo's mess of players and w/ Lovie as coach. And if there's any doubt he's the GM for the long-term, then you aren't going to push to get Trestman fired so Emery then has another chance to hire a coach.

 

I think Trestman and Emery are tied to Cutler, for better or worse. Trestman is the QB whisperer, but can't get Cutler to stop making mistakes and make a deep playoff run. Emery made the wacky hire and gave Cutler a long-term contract without having proven he coud stop making mistakes and make a deep playoff run. And it doesn't make financial sense for Cutler to go anywhere yet. Pin it all on the DC. Try to make the veterans buy in on offense this offseason, hope Wilson isn't hurt in camp, the OL is improved, and that the defensive issues are partly scheme related. It sucks if it is a lame duck situation, but I'd much rather that than Emery hiring another dud coach.

[cubbyvirus00]

Terry Boers was on air yesterday basically saying his Bears source cited that the team is not looking to make a change to either Trestman or Emery.

 

 

Mel will likely be the fall guy this offseason and then Trestman will struggle to find a lame duck DC for 1 year.

 

 

This franchise is all sorts of stupid. Reminds me of Bill Wirtz and the Blackhawks.

 

This franchise is stupid. Hiring a hipster GM, who unsurprisingly hires a way outside the box coach, having a franchise QB and not giving him any help for 4 years. But keeping Trestman and Emery doesn't make them stupid.

 

Emery has no realistic shot at being fired. He's only had 3 years, and 1 of them was basically inheriting Angelo's mess of players and w/ Lovie as coach. And if there's any doubt he's the GM for the long-term, then you aren't going to push to get Trestman fired so Emery then has another chance to hire a coach.

 

I think Trestman and Emery are tied to Cutler, for better or worse. Trestman is the QB whisperer, but can't get Cutler to stop making mistakes and make a deep playoff run. Emery made the wacky hire and gave Cutler a long-term contract without having proven he coud stop making mistakes and make a deep playoff run. And it doesn't make financial sense for Cutler to go anywhere yet. Pin it all on the DC. Try to make the veterans buy in on offense this offseason, hope Wilson isn't hurt in camp, the OL is improved, and that the defensive issues are partly scheme related. It sucks if it is a lame duck situation, but I'd much rather that than Emery hiring another dud coach.

 

Our best hope is old Virgina kicking the bucket and her family forced to sell the team. Its widely known the Mccaskeys don't have the financial resources to be able to afford the massive estate taxes her death would bring. That's the best scenario.

[Soul]

We are back to this crap again.

[rawaction]

Yeah, it's the worst situation to be in. Veteran team with a lot of high priced guys you can't get rid of. Inability to identify young talent. And no wins to show for those high paid vets, as they will be picking in NFL purgatory again. No top 5-7 pick to get a superstar talent. No playoff appearance to satisfy fans/players. Lame duck coach, GM, and QB.

[WrigleyField 22]

The high priced vets thing isn't too damning. We're still in a healthy cap situation overall and things open up a lot after next year. Though we will have to extend Jeffery at that time and replace/retain Forte.

 

I'll suggest Wade Phillips as D Coordinator. He's probably the best we can get under a hot-seat HC as he spent the last year unemployed. He's a 3-4 guy but it isn't the traditional 2 gap scheme so we can probably adapt. Unlike Rex who will likely have many suitors and could cause locker room friction, Phillips should be able to come in as a DC only and just focus on that unit. No undermining Trestman which would be a concern with Rex IMO. Although maybe making Trestman uncomfortable would be good.

 

ST who knows, but hard to imagine we can do worse.

 

I'd be interested if Kromer will become a sacrificial lamb as well and/or if Emery would push Trestman to give up play calling duties.

 

I still think the talent level is not that severe. On D we really need an impact player or two though. If we could draft one impact guy in this draft, it would help a lot.

 

Obviously Suh is available as an impact D guy... But to get him well definitely need to backload and leverage future cap, or else we'll be stuck with the same DBs. Still think I'd rather spread the FA dollars around (especially if we do switch to a 3-4)

 

 

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[rawaction]

The high priced vets thing isn't too damning. We're still in a healthy cap situation overall and things open up a lot after next year. Though we will have to extend Jeffery at that time and replace/retain Forte.

 

I'll suggest Wade Phillips as D Coordinator. He's probably the best we can get under a hot-seat HC as he spent the last year unemployed. He's a 3-4 guy but it isn't the traditional 2 gap scheme so we can probably adapt. Unlike Rex who will likely have many suitors and could cause locker room friction, Phillips should be able to come in as a DC only and just focus on that unit. No undermining Trestman which would be a concern with Rex IMO. Although maybe making Trestman uncomfortable would be good.

 

ST who knows, but hard to imagine we can do worse.

 

I'd be interested if Kromer will become a sacrificial lamb as well and/or if Emery would push Trestman to give up play calling duties.

 

I still think the talent level is not that severe. On D we really need an impact player or two though. If we could draft one impact guy in this draft, it would help a lot.

 

Obviously Suh is available as an impact D guy... But to get him well definitely need to backload and leverage future cap, or else we'll be stuck with the same DBs. Still think I'd rather spread the FA dollars around (especially if we do switch to a 3-4)

 

 

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I would be Ok with Phillips, but don't really want to go 3-4. It could work, but I think it would mean too many resources in the front 7, when the back 4 now needs the most work. Ratliff, Houston, and Bostic could really benefit from a move to 3-4, and the back 4 don't really change much. I'd really love to lure one of the Seattle guys away (Quinn made asst HC, with complete control on D coaches and personnel) or (DB coach, with his first DC job, with a promise of being future HC).