Daniel Lockhart, Chad Noble and Cael Brockmyer....

[atcfootball]

This was just amazing to me.

 

The "subject" players are the only players since the 2010 draft to make it as high as AAA. All other players drafted by the Chicago Cubs have made it no higher than AA.

 

I know we have some prospects that are going to change that in the very near future... But man it just seems like for a team that is building through the farm we would have a few more players (not even prospects) at higher levels.

 

2010 draft highest level of baseball

R = 2

A = 23

AA = 15

AAA = 1

 

2011 draft highest level of baseball

R = 2

A = 24

AA = 6

AAA = 1

 

2012 draft highest level of baseball

R = 6

A = 23

AA = 1

AAA = 0

 

2013 draft highest level of baseball

R = 10

A = 12

AA = 0

AAA = 1

 

I know the 12/13 numbers will be lower in AA and AAA but man this is a little alarming to me considerning we are team building from within.

[Guest]

This was just amazing to me.

 

The "subject" players are the only players since the 2010 draft to make it as high as AAA. All other players drafted by the Chicago Cubs have made it no higher than AA.

 

I know we have some prospects that are going to change that in the very near future... But man it just seems like for a team that is building through the farm we would have a few more players (not even prospects) at higher levels.

 

2010 draft highest level of baseball

R = 2

A = 23

AA = 15

AAA = 1

 

2011 draft highest level of baseball

R = 2

A = 24

AA = 6

AAA = 1

 

2012 draft highest level of baseball

R = 6

A = 23

AA = 1

AAA = 0

 

2013 draft highest level of baseball

R = 10

A = 12

AA = 0

AAA = 1

 

I know the 12/13 numbers will be lower in AA and AAA but man this is a little alarming to me considerning we are team building from within.

Baez?

[jersey cubs fan]

I think the point is none of them played as high as AAA as of the end of 2013. Drafted in 2011 but not in AAA by 2013 doesn't seem that crazy to me.

[Guest]

Lockhart and Brockmyer only got to AAA due to emergencies and are starting this year at Kane County.

[Guest]

I don't really understand this thread

[dcvalpo]

This was just amazing to me.

 

The "subject" players are the only players since the 2010 draft to make it as high as AAA. All other players drafted by the Chicago Cubs have made it no higher than AA.

 

I know we have some prospects that are going to change that in the very near future... But man it just seems like for a team that is building through the farm we would have a few more players (not even prospects) at higher levels.

 

2010 draft highest level of baseball

R = 2

A = 23

AA = 15

AAA = 1

 

2011 draft highest level of baseball

R = 2

A = 24

AA = 6

AAA = 1

 

2012 draft highest level of baseball

R = 6

A = 23

AA = 1

AAA = 0

 

2013 draft highest level of baseball

R = 10

A = 12

AA = 0

AAA = 1

 

I know the 12/13 numbers will be lower in AA and AAA but man this is a little alarming to me considerning we are team building from within.

 

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[imb]

Brockmyer, one of the few front to back wipers in the league.

[pitchcs]

This came all the way from Korea.

[atcfootball]

Baez - Yes started at AAA.

So basically 2 players (not counting the emergency situations).

 

It just seems a little weak that in 4 drafts we have had (basically) two players reach AAA.

Cubs: 4 players at or above AAA in the same time.

Arizona: 14 players at or above AAA in the same time.

Atlanta: 10 players at or above AAA in the same time.

White Sox: 11 players at or above AAA in the same time.

Brewers: 6 players at or above AAA in the same time.

Angels: 11 players at or above AAA in the same time.

Tigers: 12 players at or above AAA in the same time.

A's: 7 players at or above AAA in the same time.

 

I get that you wouldn't expect any picks from 2013 maybe 1 from 2012. When you compare the numbers with basically (give or take) the bottom 4 farm systems in baseball (in no order: A's, Tigers, Angels, Brewers) I would expect the Cubs to have more developed players, that is not the case. (I understand this way to measure is flawed, but just by the numbers).

 

A majority of our prospects have been gained via trade or via FA's. The trades will be difficult to continue (once you start to win; you can not trade away at the deadline) I don't fully understand the rules with international FA's, but from my limited understanding (?) it maybe difficult to continue to spend a $. So the way they need to build from within is via the draft, and it just seems we are not doing that well.

 

The point is this: For a team building from within the Cubs have not been very productive drafting players past the first round.

[dcvalpo]

Epstein and Hoyer have had two drafts.

[Guest]

I don't think anyone will argue with you that the 2010 draft was horrific. The point that people are making is that for the 2011-2013 draft, not having anyone reach AAA before the start of the 2014 season is not at all unusual. Even the oldest of those drafts would require a guy that skipped short season ball and went to Low A, then started in High A in his first full season and made it through A+, AA, and on to AAA in those 2 seasons.

[atcfootball]

Fair enough concerning the 11-13 drafts, I'm aware it takes time for players to develop.... The Cubs seem very patient in the approach they are taking with the younger players.... I also am not arguing against "Epstein and Hoyer". Point is we have historically sucked (minus parts of the 80's Green/Goldsberry) at drafting/developing players, it scares me to know that this is the way we are going, drafting/developing players and the history hasn't changed much despite who is in charge.

[dcvalpo]

Fair enough concerning the 11-13 drafts, I'm aware it takes time for players to develop.... The Cubs seem very patient in the approach they are taking with the younger players.... I also am not arguing against "Epstein and Hoyer". Point is we have historically sucked (minus parts of the 80's Green/Goldsberry) at drafting/developing players, it scares me to know that this is the way we are going, drafting/developing players and the history hasn't changed much despite who is in charge.

 

What does historically sucking at it have to do with anything? It's a new crew.

[Guest]

Fair enough concerning the 11-13 drafts, I'm aware it takes time for players to develop.... The Cubs seem very patient in the approach they are taking with the younger players.... I also am not arguing against "Epstein and Hoyer". Point is we have historically sucked (minus parts of the 80's Green/Goldsberry) at drafting/developing players, it scares me to know that this is the way we are going, drafting/developing players and the history hasn't changed much despite who is in charge.

 

What does historically sucking at it have to do with anything? It's a new crew.

With a good track record.

[bukie]

Fair enough concerning the 11-13 drafts, I'm aware it takes time for players to develop.... The Cubs seem very patient in the approach they are taking with the younger players.... I also am not arguing against "Epstein and Hoyer". Point is we have historically sucked (minus parts of the 80's Green/Goldsberry) at drafting/developing players, it scares me to know that this is the way we are going, drafting/developing players and the history hasn't changed much despite who is in charge.

Err, the Cubs have some of the youngest players at each level of the minor leagues. They're developing just fine, there's just an unrealistic expectation of how quickly a drafted player progresses through minor league systems on average.

[Guest]

Fair enough concerning the 11-13 drafts, I'm aware it takes time for players to develop.... The Cubs seem very patient in the approach they are taking with the younger players.... I also am not arguing against "Epstein and Hoyer". Point is we have historically sucked (minus parts of the 80's Green/Goldsberry) at drafting/developing players, it scares me to know that this is the way we are going, drafting/developing players and the history hasn't changed much despite who is in charge.

Err, the Cubs have some of the youngest players at each level of the minor leagues. They're developing just fine, there's just an unrealistic expectation of how quickly a drafted player progresses through minor league systems on average.

 

I think the main problem is he thinks whatever was going on here in the past in terms of drafting and development is relevant because these guys are also wearing Cubs logos on their jerseys.

[atcfootball]

You know what the problem with black/white letters on a forum are? You put your emotion into what I type and try to read between the lines.

I do not have an issue with the current leadership within the Cubs Front Office. I was excited when they took over and I still am. I see a light at the end this hole we have been in for some time now.

 

I'm not saying the current GM/President do not have a history of doing well. They drafted

2013 Kris Bryant

2012 Albert Almora

2012 Pierce Johnson

who BA has ranked in the top 10 within the organization.

 

Call me scared more than anything. The fact that they have "Cubs" on their jerseys means nothing... The fact that this is baseball and can't miss prospects --- miss every year; that is relevant. Regardless of who is running the club. The history of the Cubs and baseball tell's me that for every one prospect that makes it you have 4/5 that don't. Maybe we defy the baseball Gods and our top 5 of 10 prospects have an impact in the future, who knows? I don't, I'm just scared that we are putting all of our eggs in that basket.

 

The original post was because I thought it was amazing... Just as the 1st line stated. I also feel it is still alarming based on the history of baseball and not everyone in the "top 10" is going to make it.

[jersey cubs fan]

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[bukie]

Nobody's reading between the lines, it's just not that unusual for teams to not have player progress through 6 levels of minor leagues in 3 years, especially if they are drafting younger players overall. Sure, there's occasionally a Mark Appel who stays in college ball for an extra year and starts out at a higher level of the minors, or a Mike Trout/Bryce Harper/Jose Fernandez that gets bumped up ridiculously quickly and catches on, but those are by far the exception.

 

Right now, at A+, AA, and AAA, the Cubs have some of the youngest players in each league, so they're not overly conservative, either. Which should tell you that 1) Development is coming along just fine, and 2) Expecting players to go through 6 levels of minor leagues in 3 years is pretty unrealistic, so it's not that amazing that no real Cub prospects have done so in the past 3 years.

[champaignchris]

I don't understand. Szczur and Jokisch were both taken in 2010 and are now at AAA.

 

Is he complaining that kids taken as recently as 2011 aren't at AAA yet?

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand. Szczur and Jokisch were both taken in 2010 and are now at AAA.

 

Is he complaining that kids take. As recently as 2011 aren't at AA yet?

 

yes

[BeerHere]

You put your emotion into what I type and try to read between the lines.

 

Welcome to NSBB!!

[Sammy Sofa]

You put your emotion into what I type and try to read between the lines.

 

Welcome to NSBB!!

 

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[mul21]

This may be the most illiogical post ever made on here. Blaming the current FO for players not being developed before they got here, being concerned about guys who are on a completely normal track to get to the bigs not moving through minors fast enough, and just general nonsensical rantings. Especially when talking about a consensus top 5 farm system.