Week 20

[bukie]

Three weeks left in the season, three playoff spots clinched, but the rest of the East is basically up for grabs at this point.

[Tracer Bullet]

finally clinched the #1 seed. now I can play my scrubs.

 

btw - there was some discussion about this last season. but the league rules say that the tiebreakers are:

 

1. head-to-head record

2. division record

3. total points

4. points against

 

http://roadkill123.baseball.cbssports.com/details

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Three weeks left in the season, three playoff spots clinched, but the rest of the East is basically up for grabs at this point.

 

The Sanitizers / Rodelo matchup should almost lock up one of the other spots in the East this week. That'll leave 3 or 4 teams battling for the last spot. The Dealers are still hanging by a thread despite having once again given up the most points in the regular season.

[Tracer Bullet]

So what's the rule on DL spots these days? Last year, when it was a weekly league the whole season, I think there was some dispute, but at least by the following Monday (new week) you had to have your lineup back to legal. So guys that came off the DL the prior week, even the prior weekend, had to be off your DL by the start of Monday's games.

 

A couple weeks ago, in my matchup against HBC, he had 2 extra guys on his DL on Monday when the games started (Gattis and Peavy). They had come off the DL that weekend and played and pitched (Gattis played all 3 weekend games; Peavy pitched Saturday). As soon as I saw it, I posted about it on the RK chat. Chuck made the change later that day, but after Monday games had begun. Clearly it was unintentional, but he got to have 2 extra guys on his roster.

 

I ended up losing by 6, so clearly the outcome would have been different (5% of HBC's total that week would put him at 308 - less than my score, see: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=62070). I mentioned it to abuck via pm and he didn't want to take any point away. He told me to bring it up here, but I didn't want to cause a stir and hoped it wouldn't end up mattering. Now that I've clinched the division, it didn't ultimately matter to me. But it's relevant to the larger question I have.

 

Because...today, abuck has 2 guys still on the DL that came off last week (Perez has played since Saturday; Estrada pitched last Wednesday - 5 days ago). According to abuck's post here: viewtopic.php?p=2954943#p2954943, the rules should be enforced for having an illegal roster regardless of the reason. As he stated (and I agree), it doesn't matter if you meant to. We don't come into this thinking people are trying to cheat, but if you break a rule you get penalized just like everyone else. So he should lose the highest of the 3 totals from his thread linked above. With 2 SPs going today, that probably means abuck loses the points from a start today.

 

So is that the rule? It seems to me that you should have to have your DL cleaned up by Monday (start of the new week), even if a guy came off the DL the weekend before. If you make a mistake and don't make the roster adjustment in time, that's unfortunate, but you got the advantage of an extra guy or two, so you should lose points. I thought that was the rule we were playing under last year and I thought that was what abuck was getting at with his midseason posts above. But I want to be sure that's how everyone else understands it.

[sneakypower]

penalty for this is a person having their commish powers stripped and we all start using street rules where we call your own fouls

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't want to be in a street rules fantasy league with a guy from Detroit. Sorry.

[abuck1220]

i'm not taking away any of my points for perez being on the DL ONE [expletive] EXTRA DAY and for estrada being on my DL four extra days. i actually intended to drop estrada today not realizing there were early monday games.

 

if anyone has a problem with that they can take over the league. holy [expletive].

[abuck1220]

if i went back and took away everyone's points for instances where they left a guy on the DL a couple days too long, everyone would have zero points for the season except for the best boy scout in the troop, MR.

 

next year we'll establish a rule where if you leave a guy on the DL for too long (say, seven days), you just lose that guy. easier than trying to figure out how many points to dock.

[sneakypower]

i imagine the ignominy of rostering Marco Estrada and John Buck is its own penalty

[abuck1220]

being commissioner of this league is its own penalty.

[Tracer Bullet]

I feel like I'm playing the role of abuck to abuck's BBB. I'm a boy scout now b/c I said "hey - isn't this the rule and shouldn't it be enforced?" - ok. Reading back through abuck's numerous arguments in this forum is sort of funny now.

 

This is the DL discussion/post I was thinking of, btw.

 

viewtopic.php?p=2814629#p2814629

[abuck1220]

I'm a boy scout now b/c I said "hey - isn't this the rule and shouldn't it be enforced?"

except there is no "rule" about when you have to get a un-DLed guy activated, nor is there a "rule" about docking points if you don't immediately activate a guy, and there sure as [expletive] isn't a "rule" that you lose points if you fail to activate a guy approximately 24 hours after he is activated in real life, as is the case with perez.

 

in that thread you somehow dug out during the course of your intensive probing investigation, i said the following:

 

again, not getting a DL'ed guy back in the lineup the minute he gets activated is worlds different than "i just added 2 guys and dropped 1 oops i didn't realize my lineup was illegal." i don't really know how that ever happens.

 

and

 

so if it's announced at noon that a guy is coming off the DL that day and you don't realize it until after the games start that day, you shouldn't get any points because your roster was technically illegal? there has to be some grace period to get someone off the DL.

 

i also didn't dock HBC points whenever you bitched about him keeping guys DL'ed too long, so it's not like i'm being inconsistent here. we've never ruled lineups to be illegal/subject to point docking if there is a DL hold over.

[Tracer Bullet]

Why is "rule" in "quotes" - isn't a rule a thing we have? does it matter if it's a "rule" or a rule?

 

The part I was referring to from last year was this

 

i always thought you got until the next week to get someone off the DL. otherwise you could be making other roster moves that effect your lineup and are thus making mid-week roster changes.

 

You're one of the oldest managers in the league and you understood that to be the rule last year. So since that's where the discussion ended and raw seemed to accept that, I understood that to be the rule. I asked you to clarify via pm and you said you didn't want to deal with it and wanted me to post about it. So now I'm posting about it b/c it directly affects your score. Why you're focused on Perez rather than Estrada, I don't know. Actually, I do know - it's b/c you're ignoring the guy you had on the DL for 5 days to make it look like I'm a bad guy trying you penalize you for a guy that just came of the DL. Ok.

 

If that's not the rule that everyone else understood, ok, no problem. I'm looking for clarification. So far, no one has weighed in except me, who thought it was the rule, and you, who thought it was the rule last year but no longer think it's the rule. It's not like the rules are easy to figure out. But even asking about rules makes me a "boy scout" and "bitching" and some kind of [expletive] that's spending loads of time sleuthing (finding that post from last year took about 35 seconds with the search function). Instead of just engaging in the discussion or letting others weigh you, you state that you're not taking any of your own points away and make a new rule and make me look like a jerk.

 

Whatever. This shouldn't be that hard. I simply asked a question b/c it was unclear and it seemed like the rule as of 12 months ago was being violated. Of course, that makes me an [expletive].

[abuck1220]

there hasn't been a hard and fast rule as to when a guy had to be un-DLed. there is now (7 days).

 

there hasn't been a hard and fast rule as to the penalty for when a guy isn't properly un-DLed. there is now. (that player is dropped).

 

i didn't dock points for HBC leaving guys on the DL for 7 days, so i'm not being inconsistent in not docking myself points for leaving a guy on the DL for 4 days.

 

the end.

 

if you want to continue posting gigantic posts about an issue that literally has no effect on your matchup or your season, go for it.

[Tracer Bullet]

I didn't say you were being inconsistent in not taking points away from my opponent or from yourself. It seemed that there was a rule and that your big announcement a few weeks ago about simple penalties for illegal rosters would apply.

 

The reason it lead to "huge" posts is you lost your [expletive] about it. I'm not really sure why my first post asking for clarification of the rules resulted in your being defensive. I just wanted to know if I was the only one who thought there was such a rule.

[rawaction]

[expletive] 3/4 of a point.

[sneakypower]

[expletive] 3/4 of a point.

i feel a little more at peace with the universe now than after truffle's bullshit win

[MembersOnlyJacket]

D-Block now beat the Crack Dealers in wk 19. The standings changed...what happened ? Pitching score ruling change ?

[rawaction]

D-Block now beat the Crack Dealers in wk 19. The standings changed...what happened ? Pitching score ruling change ?

 

Yeah, he lost 5 points. I'm guessing an unearned run changed to ER. But that's only 4. Don't know where the other point was lost.

[Tracer Bullet]

D-Block now beat the Crack Dealers in wk 19. The standings changed...what happened ? Pitching score ruling change ?

 

Yeah, he lost 5 points. I'm guessing an unearned run changed to ER. But that's only 4. Don't know where the other point was lost.

 

Probably the error that lead to a run being unearned became a single.

[rawaction]

D-Block now beat the Crack Dealers in wk 19. The standings changed...what happened ? Pitching score ruling change ?

 

Yeah, he lost 5 points. I'm guessing an unearned run changed to ER. But that's only 4. Don't know where the other point was lost.

 

Probably the error that lead to a run being unearned became a single.

A double. Single only -0.5.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

D-Block now beat the Crack Dealers in wk 19. The standings changed...what happened ? Pitching score ruling change ?

 

Yeah, he lost 5 points. I'm guessing an unearned run changed to ER. But that's only 4. Don't know where the other point was lost.

 

Probably the error that lead to a run being unearned became a single.

A double. Single only -0.5.

 

Regardless, it is amazing that a week later a scoring change swung a week and probably the playoff picture.

[Tracer Bullet]

It's kinda dumb that scoring changes can change results after the week. This one shouldn't matter too much for the playoffs. Killer is probably out after this week and raw still has to play abuck and rodelo head-to-head. So those matchups will most likely decide who gets the last 2 spots.

[rawaction]

Yep, I get to watch the playoffs despite having the 2nd highest score in the league. [expletive] fantasy sports.

[Tracer Bullet]

3rd highest as of this moment. :)

 

You get a shot at Rodelo and abuck these next two weeks. I haven't looked at the tiebreaker (H2H, div record) but you lose both of those and it's hard to complain about being left out.