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[SouthSideRyan]

I think he's extremely naive and was taken advantage of by Zell myself. With the debt structure and all, I'm actually of the belief he couldn't spend more right now. That said, neither is a good scenario for us to have.

 

So when the Ricketts add on a huge financial burden over the next 5 years for stadium rehabs, we'll somehow be in a better financial state?

 

And somehow Snidley Zell managed to pull the wool over those backwoods simpleton Rickettses who managed to pull the wool over the infantile Epstein?

From what I read, it limits the amount they're available to spend on payroll. It doesn't mean Ricketts is tapped out. It gave Zell more money this way somehow. At any rate, it keeps them from paying it down quickly. The renovations are a cash deal as it is, from everything I've read and are considered a separate entity that won't do anything but help the baseball ops department by increasing revenue streams, potentially as soon as they begin.

 

I mean don't get me wrong, I'd rather Ricketts just be profoundly dumb than cheap, I just find it quite disconcerting that payroll is still going down 3 years after the sale.

[davell]

I don't want either, but I think I'd rather it be dumb than chesp. The jury is obviously still out, either way. Of course its disconcerting about our payroll. I am happy in the fact that if we HAVE to operate with a midlevel payroll, we have a FO thats capable enough to do it. But, in no way, do I think that we SHOULD have to. At least not longterm. I'm pinning my hopes on a TV deal that had better change things quite a bit. And my guess is Theo is hoping for the same.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think he's extremely naive and was taken advantage of by Zell myself. With the debt structure and all, I'm actually of the belief he couldn't spend more right now. That said, neither is a good scenario for us to have.

 

I think this is ridiculous. He may well have been taken advantage of by Zell, but it certainly wasn't due to naivety. I'm much more inclined to believe it was due to the fact that he was the only one that wanted the Cubs badly enough to agree to the deal as it's structured.

 

Data point No. 2 is how naively he's handled the renovations.

 

That conclusion is based on someone thinking something like they should have just thrown a bunch of dirty money at a bunch of fat guys wearing monocles and smoking big cigars because that's totally totally how these things get done because LULZ CHICAGO POLITICS AMIRITE.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think he's extremely naive and was taken advantage of by Zell myself. With the debt structure and all, I'm actually of the belief he couldn't spend more right now. That said, neither is a good scenario for us to have.

 

I think this is ridiculous. He may well have been taken advantage of by Zell, but it certainly wasn't due to naivety. I'm much more inclined to believe it was due to the fact that he was the only one that wanted the Cubs badly enough to agree to the deal as it's structured.

 

Data point No. 2 is how naively he's handled the renovations.

 

That conclusion is based on someone thinking something like they should have just thrown a bunch of dirty money at a bunch of fat guys wearing monocles and smoking big cigars because that's totally totally how these things get done because LULZ CHICAGO POLITICS AMIRITE.

 

Getting talked down from asking for $300m to buying several million worth of stuff is an all-time great failure in negotiating.

[Sammy Sofa]

It blows my mind that seemingly semi-intelligent people thinks the Cubs were ever going to get any money from the city from 2008 through today.

[davell]

It blows my mind that seemingly semi-intelligent people thinks the Cubs were ever going to get any money from the city from 2008 through today.

Are you a DePaul graduate?

[Sammy Sofa]

But yeah, the Ameritrade guys were totally scammed and flimflammed by Scrooge McZell and the Chicago Boys like a bunch of babes in the wilderness. Makes perfect sense.

 

There's tons of things we can actually point to when it comes to them running a baseball team like a bunch of assholes than misery porn-ing it up with this goofy [expletive].

[Sammy Sofa]

It blows my mind that seemingly semi-intelligent people thinks the Cubs were ever going to get any money from the city from 2008 through today.

Are you a DePaul graduate?

 

Aren't they talking about building a casino or some [expletive]? Like selling it as a city convention center or something.

[davell]

It blows my mind that seemingly semi-intelligent people thinks the Cubs were ever going to get any money from the city from 2008 through today.

Are you a DePaul graduate?

 

Aren't they talking about building a casino or some [expletive]? Like selling it as a city convention center or something.

No clue honestly. I haven't read anything on it at all. Obviously, it'd point towards you being right, if it is the case though. Still, it seemed like there was certainly momentum towards the Cubs getting money back before the Joe Ricketts-Obama crap.

[Sammy Sofa]

The DePaul thing is a mess...Rahm talked about it like that's where the Chicago casino will go and the rest will be used for conventions and [expletive] like that and they need state money, but you have Springfield talking like there is no money so who knows. If the Cubs can get city money by plunking down a casino in Wrigleyville, hey, go nuts, because that's what this DePaul deal seems hinged on.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Could the Cubs have actually gotten any money?

 

Maybe. Probably not.

 

Could they have handled the negotiations better from day one and not ended up in a multi-year morass? Absolutely.

[Backtobanks]

Personally, I think the only people scammed in this mess are the fans. There seems to be a ton of money for Wrigleyville real estate, training camps in Latin America, and paying 16 year-olds while pocketing a big profit.

[Guest]

Personally, I think the only people scammed in this mess are the fans. There seems to be a ton of money for Wrigleyville real estate, training camps in Latin America, and paying 16 year-olds while pocketing a big profit.

 

You think there seems to be tons of money because there is money to spend on cheaper things than a lot more payroll?

 

Are you just saying you'd prefer the money allocated to IFA (which is relatively miniscule) and that other [expletive] to have gone into the MLB payroll?

[TruffleShuffle]

Personally, I think the only people scammed in this mess are the fans. There seems to be a ton of money for Wrigleyville real estate, training camps in Latin America, and paying 16 year-olds while pocketing a big profit.

 

thanks for weighing in, jim. how's that position with the yankees treating you?

[Backtobanks]

Personally, I think the only people scammed in this mess are the fans. There seems to be a ton of money for Wrigleyville real estate, training camps in Latin America, and paying 16 year-olds while pocketing a big profit.

 

You think there seems to be tons of money because there is money to spend on cheaper things than a lot more payroll?

 

Are you just saying you'd prefer the money allocated to IFA (which is relatively miniscule) and that other [expletive] to have gone into the MLB payroll?

 

All I'm saying is the Cubs continue to be very profitable (according to all sources) and continue to tell the fans that there's no money to spend on payroll. There's money for what they choose to spend money on and they choose not to spend it on payroll.

 

 

Personally, I think the only people scammed in this mess are the fans. There seems to be a ton of money for Wrigleyville real estate, training camps in Latin America, and paying 16 year-olds while pocketing a big profit.

 

thanks for weighing in, jim. how's that position with the yankees treating you?

 

My name isn't Jim, but if you're referring to Hendry I assume he's doing well. Why are you still obsessed with Hendry since the rest of us have moved on?

[Guest]

It blows my mind that seemingly semi-intelligent people thinks the Cubs were ever going to get any money from the city from 2008 through today.

Are you a DePaul graduate?

 

Aren't they talking about building a casino or some [expletive]? Like selling it as a city convention center or something.

No clue honestly. I haven't read anything on it at all. Obviously, it'd point towards you being right, if it is the case though. Still, it seemed like there was certainly momentum towards the Cubs getting money back before the Joe Ricketts-Obama crap.

 

He is right. It's tied to a city owned casino.

[Guest]

I think its pretty apparent 2015 is when the pocketbook opens up.

 

How is this "pretty apparent?" After all we have renovations to pay for. But after the prospect haul we bring in from Baez and Soler we should be ready to bring in waves upon waves in 2019 right when the Comcast deal ends.

 

And we're hamstringing ourselves financially, this didn't need to happen. Tom Ricketts decided he wanted it to.

As for your last comment, what do you mean? By being naive and agreeing to this type of deal with Zell? Or do you mean something else?

 

No, I mean Tom Ricketts can spend more and is choosing to make money instead.

 

pretty much. everybody was clamoring for a Cub fan to own the team, and this is what happens. there's no reason for the Cubs to be behaving like this. Soriano is the only bad contract on the team, if you don't count the production we're not getting from our two "cornerstone" players, and we're still not rumored to be planning on spending next season.

 

Why are we prepared to let Garza walk? isn't that the type of pitcher we hope that Johnson turns into? Maybe he'll walk because he doesn't want to be stuck on a team that has no interest in being competitive? What's worse is that we appear to be okay with signing garbage/filler players to cheap, one year deals that block our former first round picks. Attempting to develop Vitters at the major league level is worse than platooning Ransom with Valbuena, how? We're spending money on players that don't fit the long-term vision for the team and letting players like Jackson become career minor leaguers (and yeah, i know that people here hate Brett Jackson, but I'd rather see him play than Borbon)?

 

Extend Garza, Shark, and Wood, and then add some motherfucking offense, if you're going to trap your former prospects at AAA while your lower-level guys progress painfully and slowly. Spend the team into some victories while we wait for guys who may not even make the league.

 

OH, AND [expletive] SIGN MOTHER [expletive] KRIS [expletive] BRYANT ALREADY

[Guest]

pretty much. everybody was clamoring for a Cub fan to own the team, and this is what happens. there's no reason for the Cubs to be behaving like this. Soriano is the only bad contract on the team, if you don't count the production we're not getting from our two "cornerstone" players, and we're still not rumored to be planning on spending next season.

 

Why are we prepared to let Garza walk? isn't that the type of pitcher we hope that Johnson turns into? Maybe he'll walk because he doesn't want to be stuck on a team that has no interest in being competitive? What's worse is that we appear to be okay with signing garbage/filler players to cheap, one year deals that block our former first round picks. Attempting to develop Vitters at the major league level is worse than platooning Ransom with Valbuena, how? We're spending money on players that don't fit the long-term vision for the team and letting players like Jackson become career minor leaguers (and yeah, i know that people here hate Brett Jackson, but I'd rather see him play than Borbon)?

 

Extend Garza, Shark, and Wood, and then add some [expletive] offense, if you're going to trap your former prospects at AAA while your lower-level guys progress painfully and slowly. Spend the team into some victories while we wait for guys who may not even make the league.

 

OH, AND [expletive] SIGN MOTHER [expletive] KRIS [expletive] BRYANT ALREADY

 

Hahahaha.

[Guest]

pretty much. everybody was clamoring for a Cub fan to own the team, and this is what happens. there's no reason for the Cubs to be behaving like this. Soriano is the only bad contract on the team, if you don't count the production we're not getting from our two "cornerstone" players, and we're still not rumored to be planning on spending next season.

 

Why are we prepared to let Garza walk? isn't that the type of pitcher we hope that Johnson turns into? Maybe he'll walk because he doesn't want to be stuck on a team that has no interest in being competitive? What's worse is that we appear to be okay with signing garbage/filler players to cheap, one year deals that block our former first round picks. Attempting to develop Vitters at the major league level is worse than platooning Ransom with Valbuena, how? We're spending money on players that don't fit the long-term vision for the team and letting players like Jackson become career minor leaguers (and yeah, i know that people here hate Brett Jackson, but I'd rather see him play than Borbon)?

 

Extend Garza, Shark, and Wood, and then add some [expletive] offense, if you're going to trap your former prospects at AAA while your lower-level guys progress painfully and slowly. Spend the team into some victories while we wait for guys who may not even make the league.

 

OH, AND [expletive] SIGN MOTHER [expletive] KRIS [expletive] BRYANT ALREADY

 

You are wrong and you should feel bad.

[Guest]

pretty much. everybody was clamoring for a Cub fan to own the team, and this is what happens. there's no reason for the Cubs to be behaving like this. Soriano is the only bad contract on the team, if you don't count the production we're not getting from our two "cornerstone" players, and we're still not rumored to be planning on spending next season.

 

Why are we prepared to let Garza walk? isn't that the type of pitcher we hope that Johnson turns into? Maybe he'll walk because he doesn't want to be stuck on a team that has no interest in being competitive? What's worse is that we appear to be okay with signing garbage/filler players to cheap, one year deals that block our former first round picks. Attempting to develop Vitters at the major league level is worse than platooning Ransom with Valbuena, how? We're spending money on players that don't fit the long-term vision for the team and letting players like Jackson become career minor leaguers (and yeah, i know that people here hate Brett Jackson, but I'd rather see him play than Borbon)?

 

Extend Garza, Shark, and Wood, and then add some [expletive] offense, if you're going to trap your former prospects at AAA while your lower-level guys progress painfully and slowly. Spend the team into some victories while we wait for guys who may not even make the league.

 

OH, AND [expletive] SIGN MOTHER [expletive] KRIS [expletive] BRYANT ALREADY

 

You are wrong and you should feel bad.

 

well, i always feel a little bad, but i'm not wrong.

[Guest]

i mean, maybe the Cubs just need to cast a wider net and go for quantity with these trades. i'm thinking we should trade Garza for like 10 low-level non-prospects and $100,000 IFA slot. Maybe we can get a 13-year old Nicaraguan phenom we'll only have to wait 10 years for. Maybe we can sign Cody Ransom back and have him hit 15 home runs next season? Pick up Jerry Hairston Jr. and flip him into the 36th best prospect in the DBacks' system?

 

See, the trick is to prove that you're smart by building a team without spending any money whatsoever, that will cement your legacies as genius GM, team president, and owner.

[bukie]

You are almost constantly wrong, and should generally feel bad.

[Guest]

pretty much. everybody was clamoring for a Cub fan to own the team, and this is what happens. there's no reason for the Cubs to be behaving like this. Soriano is the only bad contract on the team, if you don't count the production we're not getting from our two "cornerstone" players, and we're still not rumored to be planning on spending next season.

 

Why are we prepared to let Garza walk? isn't that the type of pitcher we hope that Johnson turns into? Maybe he'll walk because he doesn't want to be stuck on a team that has no interest in being competitive? What's worse is that we appear to be okay with signing garbage/filler players to cheap, one year deals that block our former first round picks. Attempting to develop Vitters at the major league level is worse than platooning Ransom with Valbuena, how? We're spending money on players that don't fit the long-term vision for the team and letting players like Jackson become career minor leaguers (and yeah, i know that people here hate Brett Jackson, but I'd rather see him play than Borbon)?

 

Extend Garza, Shark, and Wood, and then add some [expletive] offense, if you're going to trap your former prospects at AAA while your lower-level guys progress painfully and slowly. Spend the team into some victories while we wait for guys who may not even make the league.

 

OH, AND [expletive] SIGN MOTHER [expletive] KRIS [expletive] BRYANT ALREADY

 

 

do you have any thick onion gravy in your car?

[Guest]

You are almost constantly wrong, and should generally feel bad.

 

never about important things

[Guest]

pretty much. everybody was clamoring for a Cub fan to own the team, and this is what happens. there's no reason for the Cubs to be behaving like this. Soriano is the only bad contract on the team, if you don't count the production we're not getting from our two "cornerstone" players, and we're still not rumored to be planning on spending next season.

 

Why are we prepared to let Garza walk? isn't that the type of pitcher we hope that Johnson turns into? Maybe he'll walk because he doesn't want to be stuck on a team that has no interest in being competitive? What's worse is that we appear to be okay with signing garbage/filler players to cheap, one year deals that block our former first round picks. Attempting to develop Vitters at the major league level is worse than platooning Ransom with Valbuena, how? We're spending money on players that don't fit the long-term vision for the team and letting players like Jackson become career minor leaguers (and yeah, i know that people here hate Brett Jackson, but I'd rather see him play than Borbon)?

 

Extend Garza, Shark, and Wood, and then add some [expletive] offense, if you're going to trap your former prospects at AAA while your lower-level guys progress painfully and slowly. Spend the team into some victories while we wait for guys who may not even make the league.

 

OH, AND [expletive] SIGN MOTHER [expletive] KRIS [expletive] BRYANT ALREADY

 

 

do you have any thick onion gravy in your car?

 

touche