Marmol to Dodgers for Guerrier, July 2 Slot Madness Ensues

[abohnhoff]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?

 

They apparently like what they see in quite a few IFA's else they wouldn't waste the time trading for additional cap space.

 

I'm sure they have had scouts at various MLB/MiLB games for at least a month now, I think I will trust their opinion over a shitty looking chart.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

[abohnhoff]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

 

Wood, Feldman, Maholm, Villanueva and Gregg HAVE to give you faith they can find under the radar, cheap yet effective pitching options.

[Guest]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

 

What's the Kyle opinion du jour? I thought it was "Theo/Jed are, in fact, awesome and everything bad is Ricketts's fault" now

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

 

Wood, Feldman, Maholm, Villanueva and Gregg HAVE to give you faith they can find under the radar, cheap yet effective pitching options.

 

Volstad, Baker, Fujikawa, Camp and Corpas have told me they are pretty capable of whiffing, too.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

 

What's the Kyle opinion du jour? I thought it was "Theo/Jed are, in fact, awesome and everything bad is Ricketts's fault" now

 

Theo and Jed are talented but human, Ricketts has blown everything.

 

They're good, they just don't get my blind trust.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

 

Wood, Feldman, Maholm, Villanueva and Gregg HAVE to give you faith they can find under the radar, cheap yet effective pitching options.

 

Volstad, Baker, Fujikawa, Camp and Corpas have told me they are pretty capable of whiffing, too.

 

I'll easily take that percentage when considering they haven't paid any of them huge money.

 

Not to mention on the offensive side, Nate Schierholtz has been a steal.

 

Yeah, I'd say in a very short amount of time they have earned my trust. Of course, they already had it.

[sneakypower]

oh, so this is the new thing Kyle's choosing to be obnoxiously, willfully moronic about, after the bench fixation sort of blew up in his face with Ransom/Navarro/Sweeney killing it

[Hairyducked Idiot]

oh, so this is the new thing Kyle's choosing to be obnoxiously, willfully moronic about, after the bench fixation sort of blew up in his face with Ransom/Navarro/Sweeney killing it

 

I liked the Sweeney pickup.

 

I'm not fixating on it, people keep bring it up.

[Bruno7481]

Haven't Theo and Co. done enough in their short time here to gain our trust with these moves?.

 

No, not even a little.

 

Wood, Feldman, Maholm, Villanueva and Gregg HAVE to give you faith they can find under the radar, cheap yet effective pitching options.

 

Volstad, Baker, Fujikawa, Camp and Corpas have told me they are pretty capable of whiffing, too.

 

As said countless times prior, I don't really think Volstad is a fair comparison. That was a junk for junk deal.

 

Baker hasn't pitched an inning, so in theory that can be looked at as a failure. Signing guys off of TJ is always a gamble. Lets see what happens when he comes back.

 

Camp was really good last year. It obviously has not carried over.

 

Corpas?? Really? What a tremendous failure and setback that signing was.

 

I'm with you, these guys are human, not some super engineered executives. I think you are going a bit out of your way to be negative on some of these examples though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm with you, these guys are human, not some super engineered executives. I think you are going a bit out of your way to be negative on some of these examples though.

 

So we agree that they haven't had some superhuman hit rate on pitchers and we are justified in looking at the pitchers they acquired and forming our own opinions (at least as justified as fans can ever be in this matter)?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I'm with you, these guys are human, not some super engineered executives. I think you are going a bit out of your way to be negative on some of these examples though.

 

So we agree that they haven't had some superhuman hit rate on pitchers and we are justified in looking at the pitchers they acquired and forming our own opinions (at least as justified as fans can ever be in this matter)?

 

I don't agree. For the pitchers we are talking about in which none of them were sexy pickups, they are doing real well.

[ctcf]

Ricketts has blown everything.

 

What?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ricketts has blown everything.

 

What?

 

You missed all that? Don't want to derail this thread.

[ctcf]

Also, how does Fujikawa count as a "whiff?" He got taken down by unforeseeable injuries before he could put up a sample size worth judging.

[ctcf]

Ricketts has blown everything.

 

What?

 

You missed all that? Don't want to derail this thread.

 

Was it earlier in this thread or something? I didn't plan on reading all of this mess.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ricketts has blown everything.

 

What?

 

You missed all that? Don't want to derail this thread.

 

Was it earlier in this thread or something? I didn't plan on reading all of this mess.

 

This was all months ago, I'll PM you.

[abohnhoff]

Also, how does Fujikawa count as a "whiff?" He got taken down by unforeseeable injuries before he could put up a sample size worth judging.

 

Not sure how Camp has been a complete "whiff", he did put up a 1.14 ERA+ in 80 appearances last year on a $550k salary.

 

Scott Baker's tenure with the Cubs is far from a "whiff", I would assume theres a decent chance he will be back with the club next year.

 

Manny Corpas...really!?!?

 

And as noted by many, Volstad for Zambrano was trash for trash. It should by no means be considered a "whiff".

[Guest]

Also, how does Fujikawa count as a "whiff?" He got taken down by unforeseeable injuries before he could put up a sample size worth judging.

 

Not sure how Camp has been a complete "whiff", he did put up a 1.14 ERA+ in 80 appearances last year on a $550k salary.

 

Scott Baker's tenure with the Cubs is far from a "whiff", I would assume theres a decent chance he will be back with the club next year.

 

Manny Corpas...really!?!?

 

And as noted by many, Volstad for Zambrano was trash for trash. It should by no means be considered a "whiff".

 

Scott Baker is a whiff. Nothing wrong with calling that one early. It was a gamble that played out poorly.

[Castros trade value]

Theo and Jed are talented.

 

Theo and Jed are pimps and you know it.

[ctcf]

Also, how does Fujikawa count as a "whiff?" He got taken down by unforeseeable injuries before he could put up a sample size worth judging.

 

Not sure how Camp has been a complete "whiff", he did put up a 1.14 ERA+ in 80 appearances last year on a $550k salary.

 

Scott Baker's tenure with the Cubs is far from a "whiff", I would assume theres a decent chance he will be back with the club next year.

 

Manny Corpas...really!?!?

 

And as noted by many, Volstad for Zambrano was trash for trash. It should by no means be considered a "whiff".

 

Scott Baker is a whiff. Nothing wrong with calling that one early. It was a gamble that played out poorly.

 

But I also won't hold it that strongly against them. That was about as much a roll of the dice as any baseball transaction can be.

[Guest]

Since we're doing this again, I really think you need to treat Starters and relievers differently. I have no problem saying they've struggled to get good relievers on the mound. They hit with Camp last year and with Gregg this year, but they also brought back Camp, and tried and failed with so many other fliers that I can't even think to list them all. Some might still pay off(Sanchez and Rodriguez come to mind), but it hasn't been very good.

 

Starters on the other hand, are a very different story. They've added 7 different starting pitchers. 5 of them have worked out about as well as you could have hoped(Jackson, Wood, Feldman, Maholm, Villanueva). The other 2 are Baker and Volstad. Baker was a miss on a TJS rehab. They also appear to have accounted for this since even despite him not pitching so far this year and Garza missing the first month+ of the season, the rotation has been without holes. Volstad was a miss, and they did choose to acquire him, but the point of that deal was not to acquire Volstad, it was to get rid of Zambrano. With that in mind, their options for unloading Zambrano were far more limited(unlike when trading away Marshall, or any of the rental SP) and therefore so were the potential players they could get in return. If that's the shining example of their failure with SP, then I still feel really good about their ability to add SP. After all, even the guys they came up just short on(Darvish, Sanchez, Liriano if you want to do a little more rumor sifting), have been runaway successes with their new teams.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think you are going a bit out of your way to be negative on some of these examples though.

 

nah kyle would NEVER do something like that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Theo and Jed are talented.

 

Theo and Jed are pimps and you know it.

 

I will say this: I'm intrigued by the fact that they eschewed a prospect return and instead went after pitchers who *might* have value in 2014.

[Castros trade value]

Theo and Jed are talented.

 

Theo and Jed are pimps and you know it.

 

I will say this: I'm intrigued by the fact that they eschewed a prospect return and instead went after pitchers who *might* have value in 2014.

 

Len Casper tweets:

 

@lencasperCubs moves so good that many people don't even know what they did today. Focus on players traded is missing the pt. Fun to watch process.