Cubs after Anibal Sanchez? (Signs with Tiger 5/$80mil)

[Guest]

I should qualify, that's a minimum of 150 IP. That's why you don't see 2012 Dempster on there, for example. Or 2008 Harden.

[USSoccer]

The league average K/9 for SP is 7.1.

 

so essentially the best thing we can say about anibal sanchez is that he'll be exceptionally average for us for five years as long as his arm doesn't fall off (id be interested to see what his velocity was during his detroit starts) and if he does get hurt, who cares, we've got the money. I guess I'm ok with 5/75 but im not going to [expletive] my pants about the FO if he chooses to re-sign with a world series team (especially considering it still appears we're leading for him)

 

I dunno; he's slightly above average and pretty consistent. We give up no players and just spend money. 5/75 seems to be market value for that kind of pitcher at age 28.

[Rob]

I should qualify, that's a minimum of 150 IP. That's why you don't see 2012 Dempster on there, for example. Or 2008 Harden.

 

That's like being kicked in the beanbag, but only getting nailed in one ball.

[PrimeTime]

Latest from BN

 

UPDATE 34 (9:41pm CT): Kap adds on the radio that he hears Villanueva is not being viewed as a fallback for Sanchez. The Cubs want them both.

 

UPDATE 35 (9:45pm CT): Paul Sullivan offers his write-up, and he says the Cubs “aren’t optimistic” about landing Sanchez at this point, and he’s “expected” to go back to the Tigers.

[Guest]

The league average K/9 for SP is 7.1.

 

so essentially the best thing we can say about anibal sanchez is that he'll be exceptionally average for us for five years as long as his arm doesn't fall off (id be interested to see what his velocity was during his detroit starts) and if he does get hurt, who cares, we've got the money. I guess I'm ok with 5/75 but im not going to [expletive] my pants about the FO if he chooses to re-sign with a world series team (especially considering it still appears we're leading for him)

 

I dunno; he's slightly above average and pretty consistent. We give up no players and just spend money. 5/75 seems to be market value for that kind of pitcher at age 28.

 

Actually, I think it might even be a little under what he should be worth, but given the 5 years and the history of shoulder problems (though he's been healthy for three years), maybe it's about right.

[Magnetic Curses]

9 pages, i've seen 200 posts about OH GOD WHY CANT WE SIGN ANYONE JEEZ MULTIPLE FRONT JOKES BLAH BLAH GOD ANIBAL NO THEY JUST USED US

 

i've seen 0 posts about why anibal sanchez is worth 5/75

 

He's been worth at least $17 million the last 3 years and he's 28.

 

yeah, he'll most likely be worth 15 every year of the deal

[Sammy Sofa]

9 pages, i've seen 200 posts about OH GOD WHY CANT WE SIGN ANYONE JEEZ MULTIPLE FRONT JOKES BLAH BLAH GOD ANIBAL NO THEY JUST USED US

 

i've seen 0 posts about why anibal sanchez is worth 5/75

 

He's been worth at least $17 million the last 3 years and he's 28.

 

yeah, he'll most likely be worth 15 every year of the deal

 

That's now these things usually work.

[imb]

Using FIP, here's the best 10 Cubs SP of the last decade alongside Sanchez's last 3 seasons:

 

Year  Name       FIP
2003  Prior      2.47
2011  Garza      2.95
2010  Sanchez    3.32 <--
2011  Sanchez    3.35 <--
2008  Dempster   3.41
2003  Zambrano   3.47
2012  Sanchez    3.53 <--
2012  Samardzija 3.55
2004  Zambrano   3.57
2009  Zambrano   3.61
2009  Lilly      3.65
2005  Zambrano   3.70
2003  Wood       3.71

 

someone do some kyle math on this [expletive], because beep beep boop boop sanchez' 2012 was not better than wood's 2003.

[Clem Fandango]

Using FIP, here's the best 10 Cubs SP of the last decade alongside Sanchez's last 3 seasons:

 

Year  Name       FIP
2003  Prior      2.47
2011  Garza      2.95
2010  Sanchez    3.32 <--
2011  Sanchez    3.35 <--
2008  Dempster   3.41
2003  Zambrano   3.47
2012  Sanchez    3.53 <--
2012  Samardzija 3.55
2004  Zambrano   3.57
2009  Zambrano   3.61
2009  Lilly      3.65
2005  Zambrano   3.70
2003  Wood       3.71

 

someone do some kyle math on this [expletive], because beep beep boop boop sanchez' 2012 was not better than wood's 2003.

 

You might be confusing those with WAR numbers. That's FIP.

[imb]

Using FIP, here's the best 10 Cubs SP of the last decade alongside Sanchez's last 3 seasons:

 

Year  Name       FIP
2003  Prior      2.47
2011  Garza      2.95
2010  Sanchez    3.32 <--
2011  Sanchez    3.35 <--
2008  Dempster   3.41
2003  Zambrano   3.47
2012  Sanchez    3.53 <--
2012  Samardzija 3.55
2004  Zambrano   3.57
2009  Zambrano   3.61
2009  Lilly      3.65
2005  Zambrano   3.70
2003  Wood       3.71

 

someone do some kyle math on this [expletive], because beep beep boop boop sanchez' 2012 was not better than wood's 2003.

 

You might be confusing those with WAR numbers. That's FIP.

 

Yes, and it ranks three of sanchez' seasons as being better than wood's 2003, which ranks his 266 strikeout 6.5 h/9 season as "above average"

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why FIP and not xFIP?

[Clem Fandango]

Using FIP, here's the best 10 Cubs SP of the last decade alongside Sanchez's last 3 seasons:

 

Year  Name       FIP
2003  Prior      2.47
2011  Garza      2.95
2010  Sanchez    3.32 <--
2011  Sanchez    3.35 <--
2008  Dempster   3.41
2003  Zambrano   3.47
2012  Sanchez    3.53 <--
2012  Samardzija 3.55
2004  Zambrano   3.57
2009  Zambrano   3.61
2009  Lilly      3.65
2005  Zambrano   3.70
2003  Wood       3.71

 

someone do some kyle math on this [expletive], because beep beep boop boop sanchez' 2012 was not better than wood's 2003.

 

You might be confusing those with WAR numbers. That's FIP.

 

Yes, and it ranks three of sanchez' seasons as being better than wood's 2003, which ranks his 266 strikeout 6.5 h/9 season as "above average"

 

DERP... I thought you confused FIP for WAR when I confused Wood for Prior

[Guest]

Why FIP and not xFIP?

 

No particular reason. Make it xFIP and it's 3rd, 9th, and 22nd instead of 3rd, 4th, and 7th.

[TruffleShuffle]

Using FIP, here's the best 10 Cubs SP of the last decade alongside Sanchez's last 3 seasons:

 

Year  Name       FIP
2003  Prior      2.47
2011  Garza      2.95
2010  Sanchez    3.32 <--
2011  Sanchez    3.35 <--
2008  Dempster   3.41
2003  Zambrano   3.47
2012  Sanchez    3.53 <--
2012  Samardzija 3.55
2004  Zambrano   3.57
2009  Zambrano   3.61
2009  Lilly      3.65
2005  Zambrano   3.70
2003  Wood       3.71

 

someone do some kyle math on this [expletive], because beep beep boop boop sanchez' 2012 was not better than wood's 2003.

 

You might be confusing those with WAR numbers. That's FIP.

 

Yes, and it ranks three of sanchez' seasons as being better than wood's 2003, which ranks his 266 strikeout 6.5 h/9 season as "above average"

 

yeah i can't see how wood, with a better ERA, better WHIP, much better K rate in a more offensive era, in a more conducive hitter's park, could rank below sanchez on that list.

[rocket]

ugh, i was stuck at work all day and my brother texted me that the cubs signed anibal.

 

of course, like everything lately it's premature and he probably won't be a cub. i hate this.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Garza-Sanchez-Shark-Baker-Feldman would be a very good rotation

 

Marmol-Fujikawa-Adams-Camp-Russell-2 of Rondon/Rosario/Wood/Beliveau/Dolis/Bowden/Cabrera would be a very good bullpen

 

DeJesus-Castro-Rizzo-Soriano-Stewart-Schierholtz/Sappelt-Castillo-Barney could potentially be a solid lineup if enough goes right, though adding a big bat would't hurt.

 

That's Kool Aid for one night though.

[Clem Fandango]

Yup...

 

10:45pm: Sanchez won't make a decision tonight and will continue talking with both the Cubs and Tigers tomorrow, reports Bob Nightengale (via Twitter).

[Little Slide Rooter]

@Ken_Rosenthal: However, the market for Jackson is strong, sources say. #Padres may bow out if he gets 4-5 years and $12M-$13M per season.

 

About what Sanhez is looking at. Hmmm.

[Outshined_One]

I like the thought of a Garza-Samardzija-Sanchez-EJax-Feldman rotation, but that's probably asking too much at this point.

 

Let Baker start the season in the pen to get stretched out and have Wood be long reliever/spot starter/whatever. Guys will eventually get injured, so they'll get their opportunities.

 

That would be a pretty solid pitching staff.

[treebird]

ugh, i was stuck at work all day and my brother texted me that the cubs signed anibal.

 

of course, like everything lately it's premature and he probably won't be a cub. i hate this.

 

if your brother is bob nightengale please tell him to p*ss off

[Guest]

ITT: people are mad at the front office because they are trying to add a good player

 

and n&g would be willing to go 6/90 even if we were talking about some japanese pitcher he hasn't heard of yet (he'll google him afterwards to see how mad he should be)

[Guest]

ITT: people are mad at the front office because they are trying to add a good player

 

and n&g would be willing to go 6/90 even if we were talking about some japanese pitcher he hasn't heard of yet (he'll google him afterwards to see how mad he should be)

 

I loled

[seanimal]

ugh, i was stuck at work all day and my brother texted me that the cubs signed anibal.

 

of course, like everything lately it's premature and he probably won't be a cub. i hate this.

 

if your brother is bob nightengale please tell him to p*ss off

 

and then throw him in front of the bus

[Guest]

Here is everything ABTY had on this whole thing, in order (a couple of these were already posted but I figured I'd put all of them in one place)...

 

Hearing Detroit isn't jumping at 5... Offering extra cash and an option...this one coming down to the wire

 

Team is deep on Edwin Jackson as well... Hearing even in Sanchez signs Jackson still may be an option...

 

The "double cross" was the agent or agency leaking deal to media to put pressure on Detroit, where Sanchez prefers... That said, Sanchez does want to come here and will do so happily if the Tigers don't go 5...

 

Tigers LOVE Sanchez but they face a real hurdle- they flat out refuse to go 5 years on pitchers- one exception made, and that was for arguably the best pitcher in baseball, and even then they only went 5 on the dot. Right now, they are trying like hell to convince Sanchez to take a 4 year deal at a higher ATV... Sanchez still hasn't signed with the Tigers which tells you how much he values the 5th year... When all is said and done, I honestly believe he signs here. Almost impossible to get a 5 year deal anymore and Sanchez knows it...

 

Revisiting Villanueva- they had him targeted from the get-go and were planning on him instead of Feldman- Villanueva misread the market, refused signing anything under 3 years and the Cubs walked... Now it seems he and his agency are coming around to the idea...

 

Adams, KRod have been in the crosshairs since the FA period started... even if they signed Grilli in addition to Fujikawa they still would have been in on either/both... made an offer to Uehara prior as well... They are all-in on improving pitching depth top to bottom...

[Clem Fandango]

If true, it is exciting that they are going all out on this pitching. If they do end up signing Sanchez and go after Jackson (and happen to get him) I would think that Garza gets dealt for offense. Likewise in the case of Marmol and the relievers they're targeting.

 

Sanchez/Samardzija/Jackson/Baker/Feldman is still pretty darn nice. And a bullpen that could possibly consist of Wood/Adams/KRod/Fujiwaka/Russell/Camp/others isn't too shabby either.

 

I personally don't expect all those rumored targets to come to fruition, but it would be very very nice .

Edited December 14, 2012 by The Logan