College Football - Bowl Games

[OleMissCub]

 

He's not a freshman.

 

 

Ok, RS Freshman, whatever, it's his first year playing.

[OleMissCub]

There's no obvious Heisman this year.

 

really? I'd argue that a guy with an SEC-record 4,600 yards of offense and SEC-record 43 TD's is an obvious Heisman. Dude put up video game numbers as a Freshman.

 

Why does his being a freshman help his Heisman case?

 

It doesn't. Probably hurts him. I just added that because I think it makes his performance that more impressive.

[Guest]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

[Smack]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

Any team is too strong, but very very few.

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If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

[SpongeWorthy]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

[Smack]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Golden Tait did get votes in 2009 though, first place votes even...

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If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Yeah Bama really could use a little more media attention. That must be the only thing lacking.

 

Isn't McClain the guy that just got benched by the Raiders for character issues. The Raiders.

[Guest]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

This is hilarious coming from you.

[SouthSideRyan]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Any of the 4 finalists that year would have won this season. Teo is a finalist because he's the best defender on the #1 team in the country that has put up mediocre offensive #s AND there aren't any standout offensive players on the best teams in the country.

 

ETA: Nevermind that McClain's own damn teammate won the thing in '09. And that a defender not from Notre Dame (HOW CAN THAT BE) finished 4th that season.(Ahead of previous Heisman winner Tim Tebow)

Edited December 4, 2012 by SouthSideRyan

[SpongeWorthy]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Yeah Bama really could use a little more media attention. That must be the only thing lacking.

 

Isn't McClain the guy that just got benched by the Raiders for character issues. The Raiders.

 

That has nothing to do with anything.

[Tracer Bullet]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Yeah Bama really could use a little more media attention. That must be the only thing lacking.

 

Isn't McClain the guy that just got benched by the Raiders for character issues. The Raiders.

 

That has nothing to do with anything.

 

The Heisman mission includes integrity...

[SpongeWorthy]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Any of the 4 finalists that year would have won this season. Teo is a finalist because he's the best defender on the #1 team in the country that has put up mediocre offensive #s AND there aren't any standout offensive players on the best teams in the country.

 

Really, because that is probably the weakest Heisman final group of recent years which is why Suh got as many votes as he did in the first place.

[SpongeWorthy]

 

The Heisman mission includes integrity...

 

Post reported to other mods for aggressive stupidity.

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The Heisman mission includes integrity...

 

Post reported to other mods for aggressive stupidity.

 

The fact that McClain was the best defensive player in 2009 is entirely irrelevant as to Manti's Heisman candidacy. That's the stupidest argument yet.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Mark Ingram '09 was on Notre Dame '12, does anyone think Teo would be getting support? McClain's lack of support had nothing to do with him playing for some school in Alabama that nobody had ever heard of.

[Andy]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

Again, best player on best team. McClain was not even close to Alabama's best player in 2009. Ingram, Richardson, Cody, Julio Jones in some order were all better.

[Andy]

If everything about Manti Teo's season (from the teammates to results of the season) was the same except he played for any team other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be a Heisman finalist.

 

You've made it abundantly clear that you can make baseless and biased claims.

 

He's right in this case.

 

Rolando McClain didn't even get a vote in 09 with credentials that are just as good as Teo's. Unanimous All American, Butkus Award, undefeated season.

 

Golden Tait did get votes in 2009 though, first place votes even...

Golden Tate was ridiculously good in 2009 and he finished 10th, six spots behind where Marqise Lee is going to finish on a team one game better than that 2009 team was. You act like any old scrub can get votes if they wear an ND uniform.

[Andy]

You guys will love this. Pac-12 refs for the national title game. The crew that reffed the Pac-12 title game - and presumably were the highest-rated crew in the league to get that assignment - also reffed the ND/Stanford game.

[SpongeWorthy]

If Mark Ingram '09 was on Notre Dame '12, does anyone think Teo would be getting support? McClain's lack of support had nothing to do with him playing for some school in Alabama that nobody had ever heard of.

 

Ingram won the closest Heisman vote in history that should tell you it was a pretty fragmented field. And yes, I think you transported him to ND '12 Teo is still getting a good deal of support considering Ingram had the most pedestrian numbers of basically any winner in a long time.

 

And the McClain thing was to illustrate a point. We're not talking about just a difference in vote totals. We're talking about two guys who played the same position on similarly successful defenses. One guy didn't receive a single vote and the other is going to finish 2nd in the Heisman. That's partly a function of ND hype.

[OleMissCub]

Speaking of bad crews, the crew that called the SEC Title Game was the crew that called the OleMiss-MS State game in which they waived off an intentional grounding penalty by stating: "there is no foul for intentional grounding, the receiver ran the incorrect route".

 

Uhhhh ok

[Andy]

If Mark Ingram '09 was on Notre Dame '12, does anyone think Teo would be getting support? McClain's lack of support had nothing to do with him playing for some school in Alabama that nobody had ever heard of.

 

Ingram won the closest Heisman vote in history that should tell you it was a pretty fragmented field. And yes, I think you transported him to ND '12 Teo is still getting a good deal of support considering Ingram had the most pedestrian numbers of basically any winner in a long time.

 

And the McClain thing was to illustrate a point. We're not talking about just a difference in vote totals. We're talking about two guys who played the same position on similarly successful defenses. One guy didn't receive a single vote and the other is going to finish 2nd in the Heisman. That's partly a function of ND hype.

How about illustrating the point that McClain was probably his own team's 5th-best player and ballots only contain spots for 3 people?

[SpongeWorthy]

If Mark Ingram '09 was on Notre Dame '12, does anyone think Teo would be getting support? McClain's lack of support had nothing to do with him playing for some school in Alabama that nobody had ever heard of.

 

Ingram won the closest Heisman vote in history that should tell you it was a pretty fragmented field. And yes, I think you transported him to ND '12 Teo is still getting a good deal of support considering Ingram had the most pedestrian numbers of basically any winner in a long time.

 

And the McClain thing was to illustrate a point. We're not talking about just a difference in vote totals. We're talking about two guys who played the same position on similarly successful defenses. One guy didn't receive a single vote and the other is going to finish 2nd in the Heisman. That's partly a function of ND hype.

How about illustrating the point that McClain was probably his own team's 5th-best player and ballots only contain spots for 3 people?

 

McClain was a unanimous All American and won the Butkus. Cody and Ingram were similarly productive/lauded as McClain. To say that Jones and Richardson were is completely disingenuous.

[Andy]

If Mark Ingram '09 was on Notre Dame '12, does anyone think Teo would be getting support? McClain's lack of support had nothing to do with him playing for some school in Alabama that nobody had ever heard of.

 

Ingram won the closest Heisman vote in history that should tell you it was a pretty fragmented field. And yes, I think you transported him to ND '12 Teo is still getting a good deal of support considering Ingram had the most pedestrian numbers of basically any winner in a long time.

 

And the McClain thing was to illustrate a point. We're not talking about just a difference in vote totals. We're talking about two guys who played the same position on similarly successful defenses. One guy didn't receive a single vote and the other is going to finish 2nd in the Heisman. That's partly a function of ND hype.

How about illustrating the point that McClain was probably his own team's 5th-best player and ballots only contain spots for 3 people?

 

McClain was a unanimous All American and won the Butkus. Cody and Ingram were similarly productive/lauded as McClain. To say that Jones and Richardson were is completely disingenuous.

Richardson was better than Ingram, and that was being openly discussed before Ingram even won the Heisman, so I'm going to say it's not.

 

The point is, the #1 team almost always has their best player as a Heisman candidate. If Golson or Riddick or Wood had gaudier numbers it'd be them, but they don't, so it's Te'o. Is he going to get more votes than another LB who was also the top-ranked team's best player would normally get because it's ND and because of his story? Probably. But the #1 team's best player has been mentioned as a Heisman candidate just about every year for forever.

 

Just for fun, I looked it up, and every year since 2000, the nation's top-ranked team going into the bowls had a Heisman finalist, except for 2007, which was also the year every BCS school except Ohio State lost twice, and the nation's only unbeaten (Hawaii) had a Heisman finalist that year too.

Edited December 4, 2012 by Andy

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If Mark Ingram '09 was on Notre Dame '12, does anyone think Teo would be getting support? McClain's lack of support had nothing to do with him playing for some school in Alabama that nobody had ever heard of.

 

Ingram won the closest Heisman vote in history that should tell you it was a pretty fragmented field. And yes, I think you transported him to ND '12 Teo is still getting a good deal of support considering Ingram had the most pedestrian numbers of basically any winner in a long time.

 

And the McClain thing was to illustrate a point. We're not talking about just a difference in vote totals. We're talking about two guys who played the same position on similarly successful defenses. One guy didn't receive a single vote and the other is going to finish 2nd in the Heisman. That's partly a function of ND hype.

How about illustrating the point that McClain was probably his own team's 5th-best player and ballots only contain spots for 3 people?

 

McClain was a unanimous All American and won the Butkus. Cody and Ingram were similarly productive/lauded as McClain. To say that Jones and Richardson were is completely disingenuous.

 

BS. Offensive players will get more Heisman love than defensive players. If Floyd were still at ND and the offense was scoring 35 ppg, Te'o would not be a finalist.