Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-10-12

[imb]

Quick math: nm I am bad at maths

 

Okay, trying again.

 

Vogelbach after his 2 HRs tonight was at 377/432/ 852

 

oh my god lol

[XZero771679666304]

Only a BB the third time around.

[Elrhino]

Quick math: Vogelbach is hitting 377/401/750

 

Unreal. This is an 19 year old Cubs prospect with a 1.151 OPS. In his first professional season.

 

EDIT: 1.284 OPS.

 

Can we put this into context for a second? Has this kind of crushery been duplicated in the past by someone at a similar age/stage of their career for us?

2004 Dopriak in low A (Lansing)

 

 

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I think Dopriak was 20 years old in his 2nd season.

Edited August 11, 2012 by Elrhino

[Guest]

Only a BB the third time around.

Wouldn't you walk him at that point?

[Guest]

Good to see Amaya 0-0 with 3 BB and Candelario 3-3 with 2 2B, btw.

[WrigleyField 22]

Quick math: Vogelbach is hitting 377/401/750

 

Unreal. This is an 19 year old Cubs prospect with a 1.151 OPS. In his first professional season.

 

EDIT: 1.284 OPS.

 

Can we put this into context for a second? Has this kind of crushery been duplicated in the past by someone at a similar age/stage of their career for us?

2004 Dopriak in low A (Lansing)

 

 

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I think Dopriak was 20 years old in his 2nd season.

One year older, one level up. Similar.

 

 

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[XZero771679666304]

Only a BB the third time around.

Wouldn't you walk him at that point?

 

You'd think so. Those pitchers have to feed their families.

 

Not as fun to watch, though.

[Sammy Sofa]

Quick math: Vogelbach is hitting 377/401/750

 

Unreal. This is an 19 year old Cubs prospect with a 1.151 OPS. In his first professional season.

 

EDIT: 1.284 OPS.

 

Can we put this into context for a second? Has this kind of crushery been duplicated in the past by someone at a similar age/stage of their career for us?

2004 Dopriak in low A (Lansing)

 

 

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I think Dopriak was 20 years old in his 2nd season.

One year older, one level up. Similar.

 

 

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And even then Vogelbach is about .200 points up on what Dopirak's OPS ended up being that year. Nuts.

[ctcf]

Just got in. Good lord, Vogelbach.

[TruffleShuffle]

Goldstein said something about "huge offensive environment" in Boise. Compared to what, the eastern league? The NWL is not a huge offensive environment by any means, and while Boise is more hitter friendly than the average ballpark in the NWL, it's hardly in the same boat as true huge offensive environments (Tucson, Las Vegas, Lancaster).

[Guest]

I wonder if Kyle is still worried he's not hitting enough HR.

[WrigleyField 22]

Quick math: Vogelbach is hitting 377/401/750

 

Unreal. This is an 19 year old Cubs prospect with a 1.151 OPS. In his first professional season.

 

EDIT: 1.284 OPS.

 

Can we put this into context for a second? Has this kind of crushery been duplicated in the past by someone at a similar age/stage of their career for us?

2004 Dopriak in low A (Lansing)

 

 

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I think Dopriak was 20 years old in his 2nd season.

One year older, one level up. Similar.

 

 

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And even then Vogelbach is about .200 points up on what Dopirak's OPS ended up being that year. Nuts.

True but you have to temper it a little with sample size. Dopriak's season catapulted him to #21 on BAs ranking so it was pretty big.

 

 

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[Guest]

Goldstein said something about "huge offensive environment" in Boise. Compared to what, the eastern league? The NWL is not a huge offensive environment by any means, and while Boise is more hitter friendly than the average ballpark in the NWL, it's hardly in the same boat as true huge offensive environments (Tucson, Las Vegas, Lancaster).

The perception is that because it is at altitude it is a big offensive environment

[davell]

He must have topped it. Just a single that go round.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If you build it, he will come. A McDonalds that is. Seriously though, this kid is raking. Again, can he really be any worse of an outfielder than Adam Dunn was?

[ctcf]

How outrageous would it be to let him grab a quick stint in Peoria to end the year?

[davell]

How outrageous would it be to let him grab a quick stint in Peoria to end the year?

It's not outrageous, but I don't see it happening.

[Guest]

It's only 22 AB but Javier Baez at Daytona: .091/.167/.136/.303

[StarlinOnYou]

I am no Wilken fan and was glad to hear the news today, but Baez-Vogelbach as the first two picks is not bad at all. Talk about two guys who can really rake.

[Sammy Sofa]

If you build it, he will come. A McDonalds that is. Seriously though, this kid is raking. Again, can he really be any worse of an outfielder than Adam Dunn was?

 

Adam Dunn was a horrendous and completely unacceptable OFer, so God only knows what the [expletive] you're talking about.

[StarlinOnYou]

Can anyone give an example of a player like Vogelbach who was viewed as a DH coming through an NL teams farm system?

 

Maybe LaPorta? I don't know how his defense was viewed.

[Guest]

Anyone see these comments? http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/8/8/3228445/8-8-milb-gameday-thread#111018733

 

Saw this kid in person tonight in Everett and he was impressive indeed. Went 1-5 with the “one” being a screaming liner down the line to right for a home run but, he squared up balls all night . . . a sizzling liner to the rightfielder for an out, a liner right to the 1b … both on good fastballs.

 

Not psysically (body-wise, running, throwing, etc he can maybe be described as a “scouts nightmare” lol) but, as a hitter, he reminds me some of my favorite ballplayer in the in minor leagues, Oscar Taveras, some. Like Oscar he is so excited, anxious, enthuisiastic and just plain good at barreling baseballs that he swings too hard ocasionally and still hits the ball hard anyways much of the time even then. When they stay within themselves though . . . its beauty. Vogs just has the same, rare ability to swing hard as hell, yet it isn’t a long swing and, a real skill for putting the barrel on the ball hard. I was impressed. I think I must go see him tomorrow.

 

Also, the Boise Hawks have several, good looking prospects . . . Amaya, Candelario, Marco Hernandez, Steve Bruno (reminds me of Jamie Carrol, good little ballplayer) and even Rock Shoulders. For Everett, Mike Zunino played great and, really has a aura and a calmness at the plate. It could be just his advantage in experience level but, he really stands out. He came up with the game on the line in the 9th and we just knew he would get a big hit. He drilled a ball to SS but, the kid Hernandez made a great play on the ball to end the ballgame.

 

My friend who I was with at the gameMy friend, who’s I do trust, would not stop talking about Gioskar Amaya. He looked like an advaced hitter, and a good athlete. His performance has been outstanding also.

 

I wish I had gone to the game tonight, Vogelbacvh hit two more Vogelbombs.

 

On Victor Sanchez, Toronto's 17-year old pitching prospect who is already in the NWL, and how he fared against the Hawks:

 

I saw him in person tonight

 

I agree with you. I think his performance and potential matches his hype. His numbers look bad but, he didn’t really pitch badly imo. I would describe him somewhat as “unexciting” just based on what one may have been expecting initially. I actually liked Boise starter Jose Arias (longer, looser limbs and easier velocity) better as a pitching prospect If I based things just on what I saw.

 

I would also point out that the lineup Sanchez was facing was a very good one for the NWL. Vogelbach and Candelario are extrtemely talented young hitters and, really the top six hitters in the Boise lineup are very good. A couple of big mistakes did him in, Vogelbach yanked a change out of the park to right and, Rock Shoulders creamed a high fastball WAY out to right for a slam . . . a massive shot.

[Guest]

Well there's something you don't see everyday...

 

Wilson Contreras not only got caught stealing second base, but also got picked off third by the catcher. I don't think I've ever seen a catcher pick off a runner at third base before.

[Guest]

@billazbbphotog: Albert Almora makes still another running catch in deep left center. AZL #Cubs

[rawaction]

Can anyone give an example of a player like Vogelbach who was viewed as a DH coming through an NL teams farm system?

 

Maybe LaPorta? I don't know how his defense was viewed.

 

When I think of players who just mash in the minors, but don't have a real defensive position, I think of guys like Jack Cust, Russell Branyan, or Adam Lind. It seems to me like guys like Vogelbach never live up to their hype of their bats in the majors because of a lack of position. At some point, the Cubs are going to have to try him in LF.