Jeff Baker to the Tigers

[Guest]

There had been one post citing him in the low 90s and one of him pitching in the upper 80s when you posted, writing him off.

[Tracer Bullet]

Okay, I apologize. In the future, I promise to make my initial evaluation of pitching prospects while keeping in mind that immediately subsequent reports may add several MPH to their fastball.

 

Oh be indignant. That's a perfect response. It's everyone else that doesn't immediately write off a player based on one scouting report that's being unreasonable.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Oh be indignant. That's a perfect response. It's everyone else that doesn't immediately write off a player based on one scouting report that's being unreasonable.

 

Well, now I'm confused. How am I accusing "everyone else" of being "unreasonable" if I changed my mind to agree with them? The first report said he "reaches 88-89," which presumably means he's not working there consistently, and I think that's plenty to write off a 21-year-old as a fringe prospect.

 

Subsequent reports had him throwing a bit harder, and CaliforniaRaisin called them to my attention. I conceded that my original post was wrong and that he and others were right. You asked me if that was sarcasm, and I said it wasn't.

 

After that, I can't figure out if this is one of those times I'm supposed to feel bad for being a contrarian who disagrees with everyone and tries to start trouble by arguing with everyone who disagrees, or if this is one of those times I'm supposed to feel bad for being a flip-flopper who changed his mind after another poster convinced me with their argument.

 

 

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[Tracer Bullet]

Poor Kyle. Just can't seem to figure this whole internet thing out.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh be indignant. That's a perfect response. It's everyone else that doesn't immediately write off a player based on one scouting report that's being unreasonable.

 

Well, now I'm confused. How am I accusing "everyone else" of being "unreasonable" if I changed my mind to agree with them? The first report said he "reaches 88-89," which presumably means he's not working there consistently, and I think that's plenty to write off a 21-year-old as a fringe prospect.

 

Subsequent reports had him throwing a bit harder, and CaliforniaRaisin called them to my attention. I conceded that my original post was wrong and that he and others were right. You asked me if that was sarcasm, and I said it wasn't.

 

After that, I can't figure out if this is one of those times I'm supposed to feel bad for being a contrarian who disagrees with everyone and tries to start trouble by arguing with everyone who disagrees, or if this is one of those times I'm supposed to feel bad for being a flip-flopper who changed his mind after another poster convinced me with their argument.

 

 

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[toonsterwu]

This is highway robbery for Jeff Baker.

 

I don't know about highway robbery (in that, teams at the deadline often over-value guys, and often times, over-value versatile guys with some pop (although I really haven't gone through trades to see if that's true, just feels that way), and it's not like Carreno is an elite arm), but yes ... getting cash (I believe that was the other component of the deal) and a semi-intriguing SP prospect for Baker, a guy who really didn't fit into our near future, is a dang good move.

 

AzPhil suggested him as a possible SP at Daytona to start 2013. It'll be interesting what happens. He clearly should move to A+ ... but we also have Wells, Rosario, Jensen, and Peralta all lined up for a possible bump to Daytona, and maybe Paniagua as well. Add in that Francescon/Burke/Del Valle/Hendricks aren't exactly locks to go to AA (although ... Francescon/Burke are old enough that if they (in this case, namely Burke because of his status) are around, they could be in a tight spot next year ... and both could be shifted to pen duty; Del Valle probably should move up, but after the odd, odd year of Antigua, which admittedly, probably has as much to do with velo as anything, I'm a little hesitant to guess on Del Valle, particularly since he was moved around a bit in his role; Hendricks isn't important enough to block anyone, in all honesty).

 

But the other five guys are all intriguing to various degrees. If Paniagua is ready for A+, then he likely gets a SP nod. If Well is healthy, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get one. Obviously, if those two if's don't happen ... problem solved. Peralta has done two tours of Peoria, so he should probably go to Daytona, and Rosario was solid. I don't know if Jensen makes it as a starter, but he was good enough last year that it would seem to make sense to keep him there for now (I guess ... it's crossed my mind if Jensen could look good enough in spring to go to AA).

 

That said, a long way until spring, and things could change at that point. For now, it's a heck of a deal to get a solid return on Baker. The BA reports on Carreno sure sound positive enough on his secondary pitches to hope for some development.

[jersey cubs fan]

This is highway robbery for Jeff Baker.

 

I don't know about highway robbery (in that, teams at the deadline often over-value guys, and often times, over-value versatile guys with some pop (although I really haven't gone through trades to see if that's true, just feels that way), and it's not like Carreno is an elite arm), but yes ... getting cash (I believe that was the other component of the deal) and a semi-intriguing SP prospect for Baker, a guy who really didn't fit into our near future, is a dang good move.

 

I read that they were still owed another player, but maybe that's changed.

[davell]

They settled on Carreno and cash, instead of another player. We still have a possibility of a PTBNL for Soto still or it could end up as cash too.