Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-25-12

[Little Slide Rooter]

SCS, stop trying to evaluate players.

 

It doesn't take much evaluation to point out that a guy has thrived at each of the lower levels, plays a premium position, and is very young. As for the Castro comparison, the one thing that Amaya has on him, and seems to have had going for him all along is OBP, which this organization values highly.

[Guest]

SCS, stop trying to evaluate players.

 

It doesn't take much evaluation to point out that a guy has thrived at each of the lower levels, plays a premium position, and is very young. As for the Castro comparison, the one thing that Amaya has on him, and seems to have had going for him all along is OBP, which this organization values highly.

Second base is a premium position?

 

In the only league Amaya and Castro have both played in (AZL at age 18), Castro walked 14 times in 215 PA while Amaya walked 13 times in 227 PA. Castro had a better IsoD wen you compare their rookie ball seasons. Castro showed better patience; Amaya had a higher OBP because he hit for better average but I think we all know Castro had and has a better hit tool.

[bukie]

It shouldn't take much evaluation, and yet you still manage to fail miserably at it.

 

This is what I am trying to get through to you.

 

I'm not even mad, it's really just amazing how consistently awful your posts are at player evaluation.

[squally1313]

It shouldn't take much evaluation, and yet you still manage to fail miserably at it.

 

This is what I am trying to get through to you.

 

I'm not even mad, it's really just amazing how consistently awful your posts are at player evaluation.

 

I award you no points, and may God have mercy....

 

But seriously, necessary to go to this length? This is my favorite forum on the board because it's typically nothing but people giving opinions and insight and being (rightfully) excited about the future of this organization. Can we not turn it into the Social forum/Dempster trade thread?

[bukie]

Yes, the only real annoyances are:

 

1) SCS posts in almost every thread, and

2) SCS offers zero insight in his posts.

 

I'm trying to nip this trend in the bud, because this was a nice forum to read before SCS found it.

[Vinestal]

If you don't like someone's post, you don't have to read them much less comment on how much you dislike them.

[bukie]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love not to read them. The primary issue is how many people quote them in other posts, so that every discussion gets bogged down with the crap.

[Vinestal]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love not to read them. The primary issue is how many people quote them in other posts, so that every discussion gets bogged down with the crap.

there are several posters here that annoy the hell out of me with a majority of their post. I do a pretty good job of just skimming over them quickly enough that they don't bother me. This makes it easier to get to the more informative or entertaining stuff that I do enjoy and keeps my blood pressure in check.

[rawaction]

Just because its on the screen doesnt mean u have to read it. Thebasic sentiment is this forum is informative......lets keep it this way and end the discussion and potshots.

[CubColtPacer]

SCS, stop trying to evaluate players.

 

It doesn't take much evaluation to point out that a guy has thrived at each of the lower levels, plays a premium position, and is very young. As for the Castro comparison, the one thing that Amaya has on him, and seems to have had going for him all along is OBP, which this organization values highly.

Second base is a premium position?

 

In the only league Amaya and Castro have both played in (AZL at age 18), Castro walked 14 times in 215 PA while Amaya walked 13 times in 227 PA. Castro had a better IsoD wen you compare their rookie ball seasons. Castro showed better patience; Amaya had a higher OBP because he hit for better average but I think we all know Castro had and has a better hit tool.

 

On the major league level, I would say second base is a premium position (or at least it should be). It's the third highest position player on the defensive spectrum behind SS and catcher, and it is the 2nd worst position in the majors for offense this year behind SS (4th last year, 3rd in 2010).

 

People frequently put CF in as a premium position, but it is a slightly easier position on the spectrum that has hit a ton better at the plate the last few years than second base has. Maybe CF is actually harder in a vacuum, but right now a good second baseman is much scarcer and therefore more valuable.

 

Now whether that can translate over to the prospect rank of a guy still in short season ball, that's much more debatable. Especially because of two things: since second basemen are undervalued around the league, a second baseman in the minor leagues is never going to have as much trade value as he should have, and second baseman also have a perception (at least partially based in reality) of having injury risk/longevity issues which would affect his ranking as well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

SCS, stop trying to evaluate players.

 

It doesn't take much evaluation to point out that a guy has thrived at each of the lower levels, plays a premium position, and is very young. As for the Castro comparison, the one thing that Amaya has on him, and seems to have had going for him all along is OBP, which this organization values highly.

Second base is a premium position?

In the only league Amaya and Castro have both played in (AZL at age 18), Castro walked 14 times in 215 PA while Amaya walked 13 times in 227 PA. Castro had a better IsoD wen you compare their rookie ball seasons. Castro showed better patience; Amaya had a higher OBP because he hit for better average but I think we all know Castro had and has a better hit tool.

 

Up until this season, he's played as much SS as anything else. Between Castro and Baez, we seemingly have SS locked up long term one awy or another. With all of the other high ceiling MI prospects we have: Amaya, Hernandez, Alcantara, Torryes, and Lake, who is still considered high ceiling in my book, they can't all play SS.

[El Duderino]

How does any of what you just said prove that 2B is a premium position?

[Named After Maddux]

SCS, stop trying to evaluate players.

 

It doesn't take much evaluation to point out that a guy has thrived at each of the lower levels, plays a premium position, and is very young. As for the Castro comparison, the one thing that Amaya has on him, and seems to have had going for him all along is OBP, which this organization values highly.

Second base is a premium position?

In the only league Amaya and Castro have both played in (AZL at age 18), Castro walked 14 times in 215 PA while Amaya walked 13 times in 227 PA. Castro had a better IsoD wen you compare their rookie ball seasons. Castro showed better patience; Amaya had a higher OBP because he hit for better average but I think we all know Castro had and has a better hit tool.

 

Up until this season, he's played as much SS as anything else. Between Castro and Baez, we seemingly have SS locked up long term one awy or another. With all of the other high ceiling MI prospects we have: Amaya, Hernandez, Alcantara, Torryes, and Lake, who is still considered high ceiling in my book, they can't all play SS.

 

Again Amaya is a quality prospect- glad we have him, excited for what could do, and interested to see what happens along the way. A MIF prospect in SS ball in your top 20 is not bad whatsoever. Very few good farm systems will have a short season prospect in their top 5(that wasn't a recent draft pick like Almora)-Sano for the Twins comes to mind because he had/has ELITE potential.

 

It just comes down to how far away that really is. I'm very excited for Amaya, but I tend to agree with the posters that included him in the top twenty and had players like Jackson, Vitters, Szczur, Alcantara ahead of him. That isn't a knock on Amaya. He will get every opportunity to succeed. The reason Candelario is ranked higher by many is because his ceiling looks higher, but even he isn't top 5 for me.

 

If you want to put Amaya top 5 for you, that's cool. It just seems like this is the gist for why he isn't as high for other posters/publications.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Yes, the only real annoyances are:

 

1) SCS posts in almost every thread, and

2) SCS offers zero insight in his posts.

 

I'm trying to nip this trend in the bud, because this was a nice forum to read before SCS found it.

 

Granted, there are times when I deserve your wrath. However, this is more of a hey, theres that guy I don't like, I'm going to pounce on him for no good reason. It was a basic discussion on a player, not a random, out of place comment.

[TruffleShuffle]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd love not to read them. The primary issue is how many people quote them in other posts, so that every discussion gets bogged down with the crap.

 

also that tapatalk (used by many people on smartphones) doesn't filter out the posts by people on our foe lists.