Illegal Lineups

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Alamo- 4 players on bench (full roster of pitchers starting)

Calvinball- A non-injured player on DL (Healthy Britton sent to minors, but his minors is full)

Harry's Budcrew- 4 players on bench (full roster of pitchers starting)

Kid Rodelo- 4 players on bench (Oswalt is eligible for the minors, open spot also)

Sock It Thome- 4 players on bench (full roster of pitchers starting)

Eyes of Texas- New manager, same mess. 5 bench players (Carlos Lee eligible for DL, but DL is full)

Tootielicious- Yonder Alonzo no longer eligible for minors with over 200 ABs (someone would have to get cut)

 

Unsure about this one.

 

Scoscia's Tragic Illness- 4 SP in lineup, but also only 1 RP. Not sure if can do 6 SPs and 1 RP in lineup. But with 7 SPs on his active roster (starters + bench) and 1 RP, lineup will pretty much always be illegal as currently constructed. I know he has a lot of players on D, but 3 in injured and 3 on the bench means when he benches 1 of his 8 pitchers everyday, lineup will be illegal. I don't think that's really true to the rules.

Bazingas- also 6 SP in lineup with only 1 RP currently, but does have a RP on the bench who can't be in the lineup because he was picked up mid-week.

 

 

That's 9 of the 16 teams potentially with illegal rosters. Not trying to call anyone out, but I was looking to offer trades today and the first 4-5 teams I looked at trading with were illegal.

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Britton just came off the DL a couple days ago. He was moved to the 60-day DL just this week, so I was thrown off when he was taken off the DL and sent to the minors a couple days later. I thought truffle mentioned taking a couple of days to re-work your roster with a guy coming off the DL was ok.

 

Truffle's roster isn't illegal, though. He doesn't have too many players. He just doesn't have a full pitching staff starting, but we discussed earlier this year that this was ok.

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It's pretty easy to figure out. Examples:

 

Alamo: added 2 players on 6/3; only dropped 1 (1 extra)

 

Harry's: traded for 3 MLB players on 5/20; traded away 1 and dropped 1 (1 extra)

 

etc, etc

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Britton just came off the DL a couple days ago. He was moved to the 60-day DL just this week, so I was thrown off when he was taken off the DL and sent to the minors a couple days later. I thought truffle mentioned taking a couple of days to re-work your roster with a guy coming off the DL was ok.

 

Truffle's roster isn't illegal, though. He doesn't have too many players. He just doesn't have a full pitching staff starting, but we discussed earlier this year that this was ok.

 

Is Truffle, Scoscia's tragic illness? If so, that's my question. If he only has 3 players on his bench that would make his pitching roster 6 SP and 1 RP. Is that legal?

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Yes, that's truffle. He has 2 RPs: Bentacourt and Ogando. It's just that Ogando is now going to start on Sunday b/c holland is hurt (I assume truffle doesn't get penalized for a RP suddenly making a spot start). If Ogando remains a starter, I don't know what the rules require.

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It's pretty easy to figure out. Examples:

 

Alamo: added 2 players on 6/3; only dropped 1 (1 extra)

 

Harry's: traded for 3 MLB players on 5/20; traded away 1 and dropped 1 (1 extra)

 

etc, etc

 

Not really concerned about why or how it happened, but it has happened to at least 7 and possibly 9 of the teams in the league. I understand the point of the couple days thing to figure out your roster after a trade, DL coming or going, but as it happens in this league those couple days usually turn into longer. If someone comes off the DL on Tuesday, you take a couple days to "figure things out", and you have a busy weekend and can't look at your team....now you're into nearly a week with an illegal roster. Where's the cutoff? The rule can't be, "well you can be illegal sometimes". It's not like players make a surprise trip to the majors from the DL. The league updates players. Players go on rehab assignments, that's plenty of time to think about what you do with your roster when that player comes back (your situation was a little different with the Britton 60-day thing, though the fact that he was on rehab was pretty clear with the updates). I'm sure it wouldn't even be a debate if the player coming back from injury is a legit player. For example, I'm not going to be debating what to do with Ryan Theriot when Tulowitzki gets back. But if my C is hot and Lucroy comes off the DL.....I got a decision to make. It only happens with marginal starters. And I'd imagine the usual theory is to go with the hot hand, especially when it comes to pitching.....which is clearly an unfair advantage.

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Yes, that's truffle. He has 2 RPs: Bentacourt and Ogando. It's just that Ogando is now going to start on Sunday b/c holland is hurt (I assume truffle doesn't get penalized for a RP suddenly making a spot start). If Ogando remains a starter, I don't know what the rules require.

 

That's my bad then, I thought Ogando had been in the rotation for a few weeks.

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I think there's a difference between a day or two and a week. The line is clearly in there somewhere. I don't think giving teams a day or two to react is a terrible thing.

 

For example, just last week, Morse and Cespedes were due to come off the DL on Friday. Morse's game gets rained out, so he comes off the DL on Saturday, the same day Dirks went on the DL. If I had to be proactive so that my team was never illegal, I would have dropped a player Friday only to find out I didn't need to b/c I had an extra spot Saturday. Another example, Sandoval is coming off the DL today, when all the news I read said he was due back after this weekend.

 

The point is, when you're reacting to the movements of a ML team, you need a day or two b/c you never know for sure when the moves will happen. So have a cushion at first (this is a friendly league).

 

But if you forget and your team is illegal for a week, you lose that week (all points taken away). If you don't fix it for a couple weeks, maybe the commissioner removes the player that created the issue (guy still on the DL weeks later, guy added when no one was dropped, etc). I don't know, but the penalties for long term illegal rosters should be stiff.

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I think there's a difference between a day or two and a week. The line is clearly in there somewhere. I don't think giving teams a day or two to react is a terrible thing.

 

For example, just last week, Morse and Cespedes were due to come off the DL on Friday. Morse's game gets rained out, so he comes off the DL on Saturday, the same day Dirks went on the DL. If I had to be proactive so that my team was never illegal, I would have dropped a player Friday only to find out I didn't need to b/c I had an extra spot Saturday. Another example, Sandoval is coming off the DL today, when all the news I read said he was due back after this weekend.

 

The point is, when you're reacting to the movements of a ML team, you need a day or two b/c you never know for sure when the moves will happen. So have a cushion at first (this is a friendly league).

 

But if you forget and your team is illegal for a week, you lose that week (all points taken away). If you don't fix it for a couple weeks, maybe the commissioner removes the player that created the issue (guy still on the DL weeks later, guy added when no one was dropped, etc). I don't know, but the penalties for long term illegal rosters should be stiff.

I don't feel like looking it up from earlier in the year, but weren't you one of the ones that slammed me after my team had been illegal for a single day?

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I said the rules should be followed when you added a guy without dropping one. There's no excuse for that. If you've played fantasy baseball once before you know how to add and drop.

 

Truffle said to me last week that the league gives people a day or two to get their lineups set after a DL trip. I think that makes sense as its not always easy to know when a guy is going to come off the DL.

 

If that's not the league policy, I was misinformed. I'll gladly give up my points for yesterday. Since you were so worried about me having my best players in my lineup, my guess is you really don't want my points taken away though.

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I said the rules should be followed when you added a guy without dropping one. There's no excuse for that. If you've played fantasy baseball once before you know how to add and drop.

 

Truffle said to me last week that the league gives people a day or two to get their lineups set after a DL trip. I think that makes sense as its not always easy to know when a guy is going to come off the DL.

 

If that's not the league policy, I was misinformed. I'll gladly give up my points for yesterday. Since you were so worried about me having my best players in my lineup, my guess is you really don't want my points taken away though.

I'm the one that's in favor of cutting people some slack when it comes to legality. My position is consistent.

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Good. My position is consistent too. When you break the rules, they should be enforced. That's my position. Should be the same for everyone.

 

I was told last week that the league gives teams a day or two to get a guy off the DL back into the lineup. That makes sense and is consistent with the espn, y! and other leagues I've played in. So within 2 days of Britton coming off the DL (which was 2 days after he went from the 15-day to the 60-day, so it wasn't like I knew it was coming), my lineup is legal (I dropped Hughes and swapped Britton and Eovaldi).

 

If the rule isn't that you get a day or two after a guy comes off the DL, I'm 100% ok with losing my points for the last 2 days. My bad. No complaint whatsoever.

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i always thought you got until the next week to get someone off the DL. otherwise you could be making other roster moves that effect your lineup and are thus making mid-week roster changes.

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there's a difference between a guy that is off the DL remaining on your DL for an extra day and friggin' picking up 2 players and dropping 1. i mean, come on.

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Alamo- 4 players on bench (full roster of pitchers starting)

 

Sorry - I'll drop someone when I get home. I wish the web site would say when your roster is illegal like it used to in years past.

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i always thought you got until the next week to get someone off the DL. otherwise you could be making other roster moves that effect your lineup and are thus making mid-week roster changes.

 

But you could always make mid-week changes if it involved injury or trade. We make mid-week changes when someone goes ON the DL. Why not when someone comes off?

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i always thought you got until the next week to get someone off the DL. otherwise you could be making other roster moves that effect your lineup and are thus making mid-week roster changes.

 

But you could always make mid-week changes if it involved injury or trade. We make mid-week changes when someone goes ON the DL. Why not when someone comes off?

 

i dunno...i've always operated under the assumption that if a guy comes off the DL mid-week you have until the next week to do something about it. you might need to completely overhaul your roster when you bring a guy off the DL, and that could involve dropping/adding/making lineup subs that aren't directly related to the injured guy. i don't think you should be able to use a guy coming off the DL as a reason to completely revamp your lineup mid-week. you could really use that to add at-bats/games or get rid of a guy who is sucking/not playing much.

 

i don't think there's anything wrong with waiting until monday to take a guy off the DL. i benched freeman yesterday because of some finger injury. he's back in the lineup today...am i in trouble for failing to get him back in there right away? i don't think we've ever played that way.

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again, not getting a DL'ed guy back in the lineup the minute he gets activated is worlds different than "i just added 2 guys and dropped 1 oops i didn't realize my lineup was illegal." i don't really know how that ever happens.

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again, not getting a DL'ed guy back in the lineup the minute he gets activated is worlds different than "i just added 2 guys and dropped 1 oops i didn't realize my lineup was illegal." i don't really know how that ever happens.

You make someone a trade offer and don't realize they accept it until a day or two later.

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i always thought you got until the next week to get someone off the DL. otherwise you could be making other roster moves that effect your lineup and are thus making mid-week roster changes.

 

But you could always make mid-week changes if it involved injury or trade. We make mid-week changes when someone goes ON the DL. Why not when someone comes off?

 

i dunno...i've always operated under the assumption that if a guy comes off the DL mid-week you have until the next week to do something about it. you might need to completely overhaul your roster when you bring a guy off the DL, and that could involve dropping/adding/making lineup subs that aren't directly related to the injured guy. i don't think you should be able to use a guy coming off the DL as a reason to completely revamp your lineup mid-week. you could really use that to add at-bats/games or get rid of a guy who is sucking/not playing much.

 

i don't think there's anything wrong with waiting until monday to take a guy off the DL. i benched freeman yesterday because of some finger injury. he's back in the lineup today...am i in trouble for failing to get him back in there right away? i don't think we've ever played that way.

 

Freeman wasn't on the DL though. Completely different story. Plus, I don't think lineup changes are a big deal. IF someone comes off the DL mid-week, announce your changes. Getting a regular back SHOULD be a reason to bench someone who is sucking or not playing much.

 

Again, I don't think this is an issue if the player is really good. Like I said, I'm going to cut Theriot and put Tulo back in my lineup the moment he comes off the DL. But let's say I have Edwin Jackson on the DL and I picked up Travis Wood in his place. Jackson has a game in Atlanta and may possibly be on a pitch count his first time out. So, I ride out that rusty start for a week while Travis Wood faces the Pirates, coming off a 3-hit shutout in his previous game.

 

Granted that's a far fetched story, but I don't see why a person needs until a new week or even 1-2 days to figure out what to do with their roster. The information is there. We know when guys are coming off the DL. We can look up when a guy gets to 200 plate appearances. This is what you argued all off-season. Either it's a rule, or it's not. This is kind of a rule. Don't have illegal rosters......unless you need time to think about what move to make.

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so if it's announced at noon that a guy is coming off the DL that day and you don't realize it until after the games start that day, you shouldn't get any points because your roster was technically illegal? there has to be some grace period to get someone off the DL.

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so if it's announced at noon that a guy is coming off the DL that day and you don't realize it until after the games start that day, you shouldn't get any points because your roster was technically illegal? there has to be some grace period to get someone off the DL.

 

Are we talking about not noticing something or are we talking about "having time to figure things out"? Because the original statement was "taking a couple of days to re-work your roster with a guy coming off the DL was ok".

 

I guess I don't understand the disconnect from our rosters. A SP comes back, you cut a pitcher or a hitter that's on your bench. An OF comes back, you cut an OF or U player. A 2B comes back, you cut a 2B or U player. That doesn't take a couple days to figure out. And CBS is very good at telling us when a player is on a rehab assignment and when they are projected to be activated. Granted the Britton situation was a little weird (activated and sent to AAA), but I think 90% of the time it's not too hard to figure this stuff out.

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yeah i put ogando on the bench because i noticed that he was getting a spot start and didn't want him as one of my starters for the week.

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Britton just came off the DL a couple days ago. He was moved to the 60-day DL just this week, so I was thrown off when he was taken off the DL and sent to the minors a couple days later. I thought truffle mentioned taking a couple of days to re-work your roster with a guy coming off the DL was ok.

 

Truffle's roster isn't illegal, though. He doesn't have too many players. He just doesn't have a full pitching staff starting, but we discussed earlier this year that this was ok.

 

Is Truffle, Scoscia's tragic illness? If so, that's my question. If he only has 3 players on his bench that would make his pitching roster 6 SP and 1 RP. Is that legal?

 

i think if someone wants to have 10 SP and 0 RP they should be allowed to, assuming that they don't go over the 7 start limit. they're only screwing themselves by not getting points from RP.

 

now The Eyes of Texas has 3 RP, which is definitely not allowed.

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3 RPs in the lineup? If he has 2 RPs in the lineup and 1 on the bench, that has to be ok, right?