2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[thefranchise]

Round 21 - Stephen Perakslis RHP - University of Maine

[El Duderino]

Maine - cool state

[Guest]

Round 19 - Damek Tomscha 3B - Iowa Western CC, IA

 

.438/.522/.827/1.349, 15 HR

 

Round 21 - Stephen Perakslis RHP - University of Maine

 

87.1 IP, 48/19 K/BB, 3.81 ERA, 1.47 WHIP

[thefranchise]

Round 22 - Eduardo Orozco RHP - University of California-Riverside

[Guest]

Round 22 - Eduardo Orozco RHP - University of California-Riverside

 

98.1 IP, 105/23 K/BB, 2.84 ERA, 1.30 WHIP

[Cubswin11]

Round 22 - Eduardo Orozco RHP - University of California-Riverside

 

98.1 IP, 105/23 K/BB, 2.84 ERA, 1.30 WHIP

Wow, those are some impressive K numbers. What's the deal with this guy?

[thefranchise]

Round 23 - Jake Drossner LHP - Council Rock HS North, PA

[CyHawk_Cub]

:-k Hard for me to believe Tomscha would sign for so little $$ (given where he was drafted; maybe I'm misunderstanding the slot rules post-10th Rd)... Committed to Auburn, & has been drafted twice previously. I'm probably not thinking about correctly. Been reading way too much draft stuff.

[Guest]

Round 22 - Eduardo Orozco RHP - University of California-Riverside

 

98.1 IP, 105/23 K/BB, 2.84 ERA, 1.30 WHIP

Wow, those are some impressive K numbers. What's the deal with this guy?

 

Theyr'e good, but not overwhelming K numbers. Orozco has good size at 6'4, but he's also a 5th year senior that's already 23, so he doesn't have age on his side.

[davell]

Nah, just because we took him at this spot, doesn't mean we think we're getting him. Previously, in Wilken-led drafts, we would typically sign 30ish players out of 50. My guess is we'll offer this guy the full 100,000, plus a paid for education(which I can't CONFIRM is still OK, but have heard it probably is). If he wants to play, he will, I guess. Of course, if by some chance we even have 100K or so left over from our allotment, we could offer it to a guy like this as well, on top of the max offer I've already mentioned.

[thefranchise]

Round 24 - Jameson Fisher C - Zachary HS, LA

[SouthSideRyan]

Regarding the 40% rule, with some cribbing from BTF, it looks like the 15 days to offer a contract is still out there. So if you can't get these underslot guys to sign for less than 40% within 15 days, you're pretty much forced to offer him 40% or lose him.

 

ETA: It's more like 30 days (warning after 15 days, then 15 days after the warning to offer a contract)

Edited June 6, 2012 by SouthSideRyan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

[SouthSideRyan]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

 

But you're a college senior with no place else to go. You want to risk haggling over 30K, when the team can haggle down their other underslot guys to get themselves under 5% over cap?

[davell]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

 

Yeah, but if you've got any hopes of playing pro ball, you may have just hurt them a bunch by pissing off the team that drafted you.

[Tracer Bullet]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

 

But you're a college senior with no place else to go. You want to risk haggling over 30K, when the team can haggle down their other underslot guys to get themselves under 5% over cap?

 

I think Kyle's scenario only works for the seniors in the first 10 rounds.

[thefranchise]

Round 25 - Rhett Wiseman CF - Buckingham Browne & Nichols, MA

[Hairyducked Idiot]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

 

Yeah, but if you've got any hopes of playing pro ball, you may have just hurt them a bunch by pissing off the team that drafted you.

 

It's a professional negotiation. They are low-balling for strategic reasons, they can't be offended if the player plays back at them.

 

Obviously the player has downside risk with this strategy, but so do the teams. They risk wasting a top-10-round pick, and they make all their other signings more difficult with the uncertainty. Given the tight signing window, I don't think many teams want that uncertainty.

 

There's enough downside on both sides that I'm guessing it's easier for everyone involved just to go with slot.

[davell]

We just drafted Rhett Wiseman. No chance in hell we get him.

[Guest]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

 

Yeah, but if you've got any hopes of playing pro ball, you may have just hurt them a bunch by pissing off the team that drafted you.

 

It's a professional negotiation. They are low-balling for strategic reasons, they can't be offended if the player plays back at them.

 

Obviously the player has downside risk with this strategy, but so do the teams. They risk wasting a top-10-round pick, and they make all their other signings more difficult with the uncertainty. Given the tight signing window, I don't think many teams want that uncertainty.

 

There's enough downside on both sides that I'm guessing it's easier for everyone involved just to go with slot.

 

I think it's a lot easier for the teams to overcome losing their 9th round slot - their offer to the player than it is for the college senior to go another year without getting in an MLB system. Senior signs were a thing before this CBA for a reason.

[davell]

My guess is that with a few high-profile exceptions at the top of the draft (where there's a lot more money to work with), pretty much everyone signs for slot.

 

If I'm a college senior being offered well below slot, I just wait. The team can't sign anyone for overslot with me still out there. The moment they do, they risk being into the severe over-pool penalties if I don't sign.

 

Yeah, but if you've got any hopes of playing pro ball, you may have just hurt them a bunch by pissing off the team that drafted you.

 

It's a professional negotiation. They are low-balling for strategic reasons, they can't be offended if the player plays back at them.

 

Obviously the player has downside risk with this strategy, but so do the teams. They risk wasting a top-10-round pick, and they make all their other signings more difficult with the uncertainty. Given the tight signing window, I don't think many teams want that uncertainty.

 

There's enough downside on both sides that I'm guessing it's easier for everyone involved just to go with slot.

 

 

Maybe so. If it's me, I'd get the player to SIGN a post-dated contract, before the draft. If a team is looking to do nothing but save money basically with these picks, I doubt you're going to run into other teams drafting your "cheap guy".

[Tracer Bullet]

There's plenty of time to have some back and forth that most seniors will probably be offered below slot. That's why they were drafted where they were. They have to know this and the vast majority aren't going to haggle much over several thousand or tens of thousands.

[weis21]

We just drafted Rhett Wiseman. No chance in hell we get him.

That sucks. My last name is Wiseman and I'd LOVE for a Wiseman to play for the Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We just drafted Rhett Wiseman. No chance in hell we get him.

That sucks. My last name is Wiseman and I'd LOVE for a Wiseman to play for the Cubs.

 

I know nothing about him, but much like this post, Twitter says he's a "swing for the fences" pick and a tough sign. I want him.

[Guest]

Jasvir Rakkar - RHP - SUNY Stony Brook: 46 IP(19-3 GP-GS), 36/17 K/BB, 3.72 ERA, 1.15 WHIP