Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[Illini Iceman]

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

Nope. RT @awaskow42: @Kevin_Goldstein Any way in the world Cubs get same value Braves offered for Dempster?

 

I think he's saying they won't get that kind of value from anyone else, which is kind of obvious.

 

He also explicitly said the Cubs won't get Delgado himself in another tweet (not that he'd know).

 

He most likely would have said the same thing a week ago.

[Hawk4Hall]

At this point, I'd be fine with the Cubs just keeping Dempster, and benching his stupid ass just to throw a big FU in his face. Bring up anyone in this lost season and just tell Dempster he can go to hell.

 

It's clear the Cubs aren't going to get anything of worth in return for him, so might as well screw with him.

[El Duderino]

i'm sure the players union will have no problem with that

[davell]

I'm more worried about him stopping a trade altogether, than I am about a package right now. If he's dealt, it won't be as good as we originally got, but it'll keep us appeased.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm sure the players union will have no problem with that

 

they negotiated the cba in which that is legal to do. plus, he'd be getting paid so labor laws really wouldn't apply.

[KaiserCesar]

Just imagine how many players would want to play under that kind of no-nonsense front office

[El Duderino]

i'm sure the players union will have no problem with that

 

they negotiated the cba in which that is legal to do. plus, he'd be getting paid so labor laws really wouldn't apply.

 

it's legal to not play a player because you're butthurt he used his 10/5 rights?

[Magnetic Curses]

Just imagine how many players would want to play under that kind of no-nonsense front office

 

players don't care about these things

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm sure the players union will have no problem with that

 

they negotiated the cba in which that is legal to do. plus, he'd be getting paid so labor laws really wouldn't apply.

 

it's legal to not play a player because you're butthurt he used his 10/5 rights?

 

i'm talking about putting him in the bullpen or something, but no, i don't think benching him would be illegal. although very stupid in wasting a roster spot that way.

[KaiserCesar]

Just imagine how many players would want to play under that kind of no-nonsense front office

 

players don't care about these things

 

players don't care about management that intentionally tanks a players market value in retaliation for the player exercising their right earned for their decade of service?

[KaiserCesar]

i'm sure the players union will have no problem with that

 

they negotiated the cba in which that is legal to do. plus, he'd be getting paid so labor laws really wouldn't apply.

 

it's legal to not play a player because you're butthurt he used his 10/5 rights?

 

i'm talking about putting him in the bullpen or something, but no, i don't think benching him would be illegal. although very stupid in wasting a roster spot that way.

 

If it was construed as a 'discplinary' action that wasn't caused by action that is detrimental to baseball, they could file a grievance.

[davell]

Theo and Jed have decided they'll never give out a NTC, instead they give out We'll trade you whenever the [expletive] we want clauses.

[Magnetic Curses]

as far as affecting their decision to go to a certain team, no.

 

and remember, benching dempster isn't an option, putting him in the bullpen would be. and that wouldn't affect free agents, considering how often your scenario comes up.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm sure the players union will have no problem with that

 

they negotiated the cba in which that is legal to do. plus, he'd be getting paid so labor laws really wouldn't apply.

 

it's legal to not play a player because you're butthurt he used his 10/5 rights?

 

i'm talking about putting him in the bullpen or something, but no, i don't think benching him would be illegal. although very stupid in wasting a roster spot that way.

 

If it was construed as a 'discplinary' action that wasn't caused by action that is detrimental to baseball, they could file a grievance.

 

they'd certainly have to prove that, and it wouldn't be easy. teams make decisions to put old starters in the bullpen all the time, and dempster didn't file a grievance the first time the cubs did it to him.

[KaiserCesar]

 

they'd certainly have to prove that, and it wouldn't be easy. teams make decisions to put old starters in the bullpen all the time, and dempster didn't file a grievance the first time the cubs did it to him.

 

First time, he was coming off TJS and a 6+ ERA. The second time, he would be coming off a league leading ERA among starters and on a team with a lack of starting pitching.

 

The point isn't even whether or not there would be significant consequences. If you want to turn your organization into one of the premier franchises, it's probably not best to act like a petulant child.

[Tracer Bullet]

Dempster didn't use his 10/5 rights because of Twitter or rumors, it was just his weaksauce excuse for his ultimate goal of going to the Dodgers. If a Dodger trade had broke on Twitter, Dempster wouldn't have cared in the least.

 

My comment isn't directed at Dempster. My comment is directed at stupid rumors that fly around so easily on twitter where no one seems to give a crap if they have any credibility as long as they're first once.

[Tracer Bullet]

 

they'd certainly have to prove that, and it wouldn't be easy. teams make decisions to put old starters in the bullpen all the time, and dempster didn't file a grievance the first time the cubs did it to him.

 

First time, he was coming off TJS and a 6+ ERA. The second time, he would be coming off a league leading ERA among starters and on a team with a lack of starting pitching.

 

The point isn't even whether or not there would be significant consequences. If you want to turn your organization into one of the premier franchises, it's probably not best to act like a petulant child.

 

he said the cubs should do what's best for them and he'll do what's best for him. If the cubs think giving younger guys some starts on a dead-end team is the best thing for the team, Dempster can't do crap about getting put in the pen. The union would have no leg to stand on either.

 

"Hey, I turned down a trade to a contender after originally telling the FO that I'd accept a deal to that team and b/c of that, the FO couldn't get decent value for me, so they put me in the bullpen and now I'm less valuable. Can you, um do something?"

[Magnetic Curses]

 

they'd certainly have to prove that, and it wouldn't be easy. teams make decisions to put old starters in the bullpen all the time, and dempster didn't file a grievance the first time the cubs did it to him.

 

First time, he was coming off TJS and a 6+ ERA. The second time, he would be coming off a league leading ERA among starters and on a team with a lack of starting pitching.

 

The point isn't even whether or not there would be significant consequences. If you want to turn your organization into one of the premier franchises, it's probably not best to act like a petulant child.

 

we were talking about legal consequences. but expecting another year like this one out of an old pitcher who has never been this good probably isn't smart, either.

 

the best thing they could hope for would be a trade, they had one in place, he vetoed it, so they sent an old pitcher to the bullpen to try to get a few extra years out of him. they don't need old starters, they need young starters.

[KaiserCesar]

I have to admit I'm a little confused. Are you advocating putting Dempster in the bullpen as a good baseball decision, or just saying it's a defensible enough decision so that it would be possible to 'bench his stupid ass', 'throw a big FU in his face' and 'tell him to go to hell' as Hawk4Hall argued, starting this whole discussion.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I wouldn't put Dempster into the pen unless there was a younger arm I really wanted to look at. If there was, I wouldn't hesitate to use Dempster in whatever fashion suited me, ie clean up innings, no save situations, etc. but if I didn't have an arm I wanted to evaluate, I ride Dempster 150 + pitches a night and get every last pitch I could

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ride that broken mule into the [expletive] sunset and say "see ya" at the end of the season

[Magnetic Curses]

I have to admit I'm a little confused. Are you advocating putting Dempster in the bullpen as a good baseball decision, or just saying it's a defensible enough decision so that it would be possible to 'bench his stupid ass', 'throw a big FU in his face' and 'tell him to go to hell' as Hawk4Hall argued, starting this whole discussion.

 

i think i stated pretty early on that i was not arguing that.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sulley, you're way off. Derek Bell decided he wasn't going to play because they were benching him and the Pirates had to pay off his entire contract. If Dempster was put in the pen, there'd be a grievance and the Cubs would lose.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The other day, it was posted that we won't get a draft pick if we keep and offer arb to Dempster. However, I was listening to the Cubs post game just now, and they were discussing trading Dempster, and the host brought up that if he were offered the arbitration, the Cubs would get an extra draft pick, though it would b better to get something through trade. He could have been mistaken, but are we sure we wouldn't get a pick?

 

OT: the best part was one caller who claimed that the reason Epstein was trying to trade everyone, and why he tried to trade Ramirez last year (yes, apparently Theo Epstein somehow tried to trade Aramis Ramirez last year.) was that when they win, he wants all of Hendry's guys gone so he gets all the credit and not Hendry.

[davell]

Dude, there are probably FIFTY posts on this forum debating offering the qualifier to Dempster. If offered, it depends then, if a team is willing to lose their 1st round pick and the allotment from that pick towards their draft. A 36 year old Ryan Dempster probably does NOT entice a team to do that. If the acquiring team had ALREADY signed Hamilton or another big name FA, it COULD make some sense to give up their 2nd rounder, since their draft allotment is already screwed for that year and sign Dempster instead.