Chicago Blackhawks 2012 Offseason Thread

[17 Seconds]

again ignoring his legitimate tendencies to melt down and start flopping around every year, but whatever. i guess he's just unlucky. must have a crazy babip against him or something.

[kujay]

again ignoring his legitimate tendencies to melt down and start flopping around every year, but whatever. i guess he's just unlucky. must have a crazy babip against him or something.

 

Haha, right. How is his playoff track record not relevant?

 

And aside from all that, THE CONTRACT! There's no way we can do that.

[Magnetic Curses]

again ignoring his legitimate tendencies to melt down and start flopping around every year, but whatever. i guess he's just unlucky. must have a crazy babip against him or something.

 

Haha, right. How is his playoff track record not relevant?

 

And aside from all that, THE CONTRACT! There's no way we can do that.

 

so the fact that he is a very good goaltender isn't relevant either?

[kujay]

Yes, he is a very good goalie. I think we all agree on that to some extent.

 

But it's a balancing, and the contract is so crazy it's not worth it. You really think Luongo would go into Vancouver and win a huge playoff game?

[Magnetic Curses]

Yes, he is a very good goalie. I think we all agree on that to some extent.

 

But it's a balancing, and the contract is so crazy it's not worth it. You really think Luongo would go into Vancouver and win a huge playoff game?

 

i don't see the logic. again, this is a guy that got four playoff shutouts in 2011 alone. you're relying a whole lot on an intangible and bordering on superstition.

 

i want no part of crawford going into the season as our starter.

[17 Seconds]

if luongo were cheap or something, sure. but that contract is too much of a risk when the dude has trouble even staying on the ice in the postseason.

 

not wanting crawford as our goalie this season doesn't mean it makes more sense to take on a big, risky contract.

[kujay]

I don't want to pay any goalie that deal. Simple as that.

[biittner77]

If I can embrace Jim Edmonds in a Cubs uniform, I think I could live with Luongo in a Hawks sweater.

 

There's a pretty good chance he retires before the end of that contract. It's a lot like Hossa's deal in that respect.

 

It really depends on what they have to give up to get him. The asking price had been high but everyone knows that both the player and the team want to part ways. If they took back Emery and rust-eze plus Frolik and maybe a draft pick that might be ok. They seem to want more than that.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say that no deal gets done.

[Flames24Rulz]

again ignoring his legitimate tendencies to melt down and start flopping around every year, but whatever. i guess he's just unlucky. must have a crazy babip against him or something.

 

Luongo's postseason career save percentage is .916. Not great, but that's pretty solid. Let's take a look at some other premiere goalies to see how they stack up against that:

 

Cam Ward: .917

Carey Price: .907

Pekka Rinne: .916

Marty Brodeur: .919

Henrik Lundqvist: .917

 

I believe Luongo has the 9th highest salary for a goaltender as well. I think Luongo's a top 5 goalie in the league, so I think the contract details are overblown. He's not going to play through the end of his deal either, as already pointed out.

 

If there's a deal to be made, you make that deal. He's a tremendous improvement over Crawford and you instantly become a Cup contender again. As long as one of the worst goalies in the league is in net, the Hawks have no shot of winning a Cup.

[Magnetic Curses]

BUT HE FLOPS AROUND IN THE PLAYOFFS AND TIM THOMAS IS IN HIS HOUSE EATING BREAKFAST EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER INVITED HIM

[jersey cubs fan]

There's a pretty good chance he retires before the end of that contract. It's a lot like Hossa's deal in that respect.

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It's a bit like Hossa's, but less extreme. Hossa goes from 7.9 to 4 to 1 for 4 straight years. Luongo goes from 6.7 to 3.4 to 1.6 to 1. Hossa has 4 years of $1m salaries whereas Luongo has only 2. I could see Luongo playing through to that 1.6m salary in 2019/20 with the same 5.3m cap hit, while Hossa will likely already be retired by then instead of playing multiple years for just $1m.

 

I'm Switzerland on this one. I'm not sure why so many people are willing to pretend Luongo doesn't have a checkered past and his flawed. But he is pretty good overall and would at least stabilize the position.

 

Now, you absolutely cannot give up anything of value for the guy. It has to be a case of bailing out Vancouver, which now has 10 guys with a cap hit over $4m (Blackhawks have 6). I wouldn't be ecstatic if they got him, but I wouldn't mind if the price is low. They clearly aren't getting any better from the outside anywhere else.

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't think they'll get a ton of value for him and now they're pretty much locked-in to trading him. vancouver hates us so i doubt that they'd deal him here, but that would be excellent if we could get him for what flames suggested.

[jersey cubs fan]

i don't think they'll get a ton of value for him and now they're pretty much locked-in to trading him. vancouver hates us so i doubt that they'd deal him here, but that would be excellent if we could get him for what flames suggested.

 

what did he suggest?

[17 Seconds]

save percentage? cool.

 

if we're going save perentage, i can point out that his save percentage was under .900 in 2 of the last 3 postseasons. and he's 33.

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't think they'll get a ton of value for him and now they're pretty much locked-in to trading him. vancouver hates us so i doubt that they'd deal him here, but that would be excellent if we could get him for what flames suggested.

 

what did he suggest?

 

sorry, i meant biitner

[Magnetic Curses]

save percentage? cool.

 

if we're going save perentage, i can point out that his save percentage was under .900 in 2 of the last 3 postseasons. and he's 33.

 

and that certainly is a huge sample size

[jersey cubs fan]

If I can embrace Jim Edmonds in a Cubs uniform, I think I could live with Luongo in a Hawks sweater.

 

There's a pretty good chance he retires before the end of that contract. It's a lot like Hossa's deal in that respect.

 

It really depends on what they have to give up to get him. The asking price had been high but everyone knows that both the player and the team want to part ways. If they took back Emery and rust-eze plus Frolik and maybe a draft pick that might be ok. They seem to want more than that.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say that no deal gets done.

 

Wouldn't you prefer they take back Crawford? Otherwise Chicago is back to being stuck with a ridiculous cap hit of $8.0m on goalies. I think the key is getting them to take back some cap crap like Crawford, Montador or Frolik.

[Magnetic Curses]

If I can embrace Jim Edmonds in a Cubs uniform, I think I could live with Luongo in a Hawks sweater.

 

There's a pretty good chance he retires before the end of that contract. It's a lot like Hossa's deal in that respect.

 

It really depends on what they have to give up to get him. The asking price had been high but everyone knows that both the player and the team want to part ways. If they took back Emery and rust-eze plus Frolik and maybe a draft pick that might be ok. They seem to want more than that.

 

If I had to guess, I'd say that no deal gets done.

 

Wouldn't you prefer they take back Crawford? Otherwise Chicago is back to being stuck with a ridiculous cap hit of $8.0m on goalies. I think the key is getting them to take back some cap crap like Crawford, Montador or Frolik.

 

doesn't he suggest frolik? i would prefer that they take back crawford, definitely, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

doesn't he suggest frolik? i would prefer that they take back crawford, definitely, though.

 

Yes, but I mean like multiple guys. Crawford is a must. You can't have Crawford and Luongo on next year's record, and you aren't going to be able to trade Crawford unless you are in situation where you are bailing out Vancouver.

[Magnetic Curses]

oh, ok, you said "or" so i thought you meant one of them. and i think any deal with vancouver would be contingent upon them taking back crawford. which wouldn't be so bad for them, even though he's not a good everyday starter, he's experienced enough to step in and can get hot from time to time.

 

i have no idea what it would take to get luongo, but like has been said, we'd be bailing them out so i don't think it would have to be a lot.

[Flames24Rulz]

save percentage? cool.

 

if we're going save perentage, i can point out that his save percentage was under .900 in 2 of the last 3 postseasons. and he's 33.

 

What other stat evaluates how well a goaltender performs? It's not a perfect measurement, but it's the best one for a goalie.

 

He was one game away from winning a Cup last year and the Canucks scored a grand total of zero goals in Game 7. He had some stinkers in that playoff run, but he also had some extremely superb performances as well. He's also the reason why the Canucks beat the Hawks last year in Game 7. His postseason record obviously has some flaws, but I don't think he's a mental midget. Get him in a different uniform and I bet that choking nonsense subsides.

 

He's the best option that's available right now, and it's not even close. If the Hawks were serious about going after Brodeur, they should be extremely serious about going after a guy who's much younger, and much better right now. It only makes sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's the best option that's available right now, and it's not even close. If the Hawks were serious about going after Brodeur, they should be extremely serious about going after a guy who's much younger, and much better right now. It only makes sense.

 

He's younger, but he's still old. And his contract blows. I don't know what "it only makes sense" means, but I have to say there is plenty to support being against the move. Expressing interest in a free agent who may have signed a 1 year deal is hardly justification for then trading for a guy guaranteed $6.7m/year through age 38 and another $5m through age 40.

[UMFan83]

save percentage? cool.

 

if we're going save perentage, i can point out that his save percentage was under .900 in 2 of the last 3 postseasons. and he's 33.

 

What other stat evaluates how well a goaltender performs? It's not a perfect measurement, but it's the best one for a goalie.

 

There has to be some sort of stat that measures goalie performance better than save %. It's like evaluating a pitcher on purely ERA. There are other variables that control his ability to prevent goals that I have a hard time using it anymore.

 

Also, just wanted to point out sully's "he had 4 shutouts in 2011 alone" comment, 4 in 2011 and 1 in the rest of his entire playoff career. And the year he had 4 was the year where the Canucks goalie for game 7 of the SCF was in question until minutes before gametime.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-teams-most-expensive-defense-172858589--nhl.html#more-37658

 

Chicago has a lot of money tied into the defensive side of things.

[Prizefight]

Latest ridiculous Kane rumor has the Hawks sending Kane/Hammer to the Habs for Subban/Plekanec and a draft pick.

 

Throw in Carey Price and I'd answer the phone at least.