Cubs interested in Lannan?

[Little Slide Rooter]

@mlbtraderumors: Cubs Interested In John Lannan http://t.co/eI5IGr23 #mlb

 

Ugh

 

If we had last years lack of pitching depth, I'd be interested in a flier, but as is, is he even an upgrade over Wells, Wood, or dare I say Coleman or Lopez?

 

Byrd mentioned in the article. I know Byrd isn't going to net us any blue chippers, but we could certainly get a better return.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Little Slide Rooter

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah. I don't hate him, and I don't expect to get much for Byrd, but we already have like six of that guy.

[davell]

I would much rather receive a DeRosa type package for Byrd, than taking on Lannan.

[Guest]

Like Brett concluded on BN, I have to think that any interest in Lannan is either a) seeing if the Nationals will just give him away b) keeping options open if they found a deal for Garza or Dempster or c) both.

[pitchcs]

@mlbtraderumors: Cubs Interested In John Lannan http://t.co/eI5IGr23 #mlb

 

Ugh

 

If we had last years lack of pitching depth, I'd be interested in a flier, but as is, is he even an upgrade over Wells, Wood, or dare I say Coleman or Lopez?

 

Byrd mentioned in the article. I know Byrd isn't going to net us any blue chippers, but we could certainly get a better return.

 

 

Yeah, because you have any idea.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Like Brett concluded on BN, I have to think that any interest in Lannan is either a) seeing if the Nationals will just give him away b) keeping options open if they found a deal for Garza or Dempster or c) both.

 

But the question would remain, would Lannan be an upgrade over Wells and Wood? Sure, he could be depth but he's requested a trade because he was demoted, and it wouldn't make sense to just push him over Wells and Wood simply because he was a malcontent with his last team.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@mlbtraderumors: Cubs Interested In John Lannan http://t.co/eI5IGr23 #mlb

 

Ugh

 

If we had last years lack of pitching depth, I'd be interested in a flier, but as is, is he even an upgrade over Wells, Wood, or dare I say Coleman or Lopez?

 

Byrd mentioned in the article. I know Byrd isn't going to net us any blue chippers, but we could certainly get a better return.

 

 

Yeah, because you have any idea.

 

I'm actually quite certain that we could get 2-3 high ceiling, low level guys and even if they never make it to AA it's still more valuable than another 6-7 starter/swingman.

[KingCubsFan]

@mlbtraderumors: Cubs Interested In John Lannan http://t.co/eI5IGr23 #mlb

 

Ugh

 

If we had last years lack of pitching depth, I'd be interested in a flier, but as is, is he even an upgrade over Wells, Wood, or dare I say Coleman or Lopez?

 

Byrd mentioned in the article. I know Byrd isn't going to net us any blue chippers, but we could certainly get a better return.

 

 

Yeah, because you have any idea.

 

I'm actually quite certain that we could get 2-3 high ceiling, low level guys and even if they never make it to AA it's still more valuable than another 6-7 starter/swingman.

For Marlon Byrd? I doubt it, unless your definition of high ceiling is generous.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@mlbtraderumors: Cubs Interested In John Lannan http://t.co/eI5IGr23 #mlb

 

Ugh

 

If we had last years lack of pitching depth, I'd be interested in a flier, but as is, is he even an upgrade over Wells, Wood, or dare I say Coleman or Lopez?

 

Byrd mentioned in the article. I know Byrd isn't going to net us any blue chippers, but we could certainly get a better return.

 

 

Yeah, because you have any idea.

 

I'm actually quite certain that we could get 2-3 high ceiling, low level guys and even if they never make it to AA it's still more valuable than another 6-7 starter/swingman.

For Marlon Byrd? I doubt it, unless your definition of high ceiling is generous.

 

Again, I'd use the DeRosa package as a template. While DeRosa was more versatile than Byrd, CF is also a premium position. Also, DeRosa was also a salary dump so if we were to take on most/all of Byrds remaining, we should get at least something similar. Hell, even if it was more like the Kosuke return it would be more useful than Lannan.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

@mlbtraderumors: Cubs Interested In John Lannan http://t.co/eI5IGr23 #mlb

 

Ugh

 

If we had last years lack of pitching depth, I'd be interested in a flier, but as is, is he even an upgrade over Wells, Wood, or dare I say Coleman or Lopez?

 

Byrd mentioned in the article. I know Byrd isn't going to net us any blue chippers, but we could certainly get a better return.

 

Uuuuuum....yes. Yes, he is. Instantly we know he can throw more innings than them...and it's never a bad idea to be collecting LH arms considering teams will almost always have interest in them.

 

BTW: For Byrd that's not a bad get. I don't expect much, if anything, for Byrd. The best part of dealing him will be opening up a spot for Jackson, not the return (hopefully just initially anyway).

[Backtobanks]

Lannan for Byrd followed by Barney for Parra. Parra plays CF until Brett is ready and then becomes a solid defensive 4th OF.

[davearm2]

Again, I'd use the DeRosa package as a template. While DeRosa was more versatile than Byrd, CF is also a premium position. Also, DeRosa was also a salary dump so if we were to take on most/all of Byrds remaining, we should get at least something similar. Hell, even if it was more like the Kosuke return it would be more useful than Lannan.

You shouldn't use the DeRosa package as a template. DeRosa was more productive offensively, and more versatile defensively.

 

I can get onboard with using Kosuke as a comp. The return for him was pretty minimal.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The bottom line is that there is 0 reason to trade Byrd for Lannan. Not now. Maybe not ever. You never know when a team is going to lose an outfielder or decide they need another right handed bat, and Marlon Byrd is the perfect target for a contender looking to add a solid bat without mortgaging their farm system.

 

Take away Byrds injury shortened 2011, and between '07-'10 he has a .294/.350/.456/.807 line and is a serviceable outfielder. If he can get back to that for the first half of the season, then yes, I think that we can get a similar return as the DeRosa one, especially if we eat whatever salary remains. Maybe better depending on who needs what and how badly they need it. Even if he put up something more like his .276/.324/.395 2011 line, it would be better than a lot of 4th outfielders in the league and that alone would get us something like the Kosuke return or better. Remember, 1 more playoff spot means more contenders which means more buyers.

 

Then again, we could be contenders in which case we wouldn't trade him at all, certainly not for a poor mans lefty Jason Marquis.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Could someone please educate me as to why Lannan is so bad? I'm starting to feel like I must be wrong, but I've always viewed him as a really solid pitcher. Add in that he's a lefty, and I think he'd be a pretty good guy to get back for Byrd. I feel he's much better than Randy Wells.

 

That said, I know I'm missing something. What about Lannan do people hate?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Could someone please educate me as to why Lannan is so bad? I'm starting to feel like I must be wrong, but I've always viewed him as a really solid pitcher. Add in that he's a lefty, and I think he'd be a pretty good guy to get back for Byrd. I feel he's much better than Randy Wells.

 

That said, I know I'm missing something. What about Lannan do people hate?

 

Perhaps if July rolls around and were out of contention and don't get any offers, I guess we could do worse. I think he has a few years under team control. However, if we do have a fire sale at some point, the name of the game should be getting as many high ceiling prospects as possible, and even if the key to the deal is more Abner Abreu than Chris Archer then so be it, and hopefully we get an intriguing supplementary piece as well. If not, I'd assume that Byrd would be a Type B and the pick would also be more valuable than Lannan.

 

I guess if we could get Lannan for Johnson or DeWitt maybe but there's nobody in the rotation I'd want to bump for him and even if someone were injured I'd prefer Wood and maybe Wells over him.

[Outshined_One]

Could someone please educate me as to why Lannan is so bad? I'm starting to feel like I must be wrong, but I've always viewed him as a really solid pitcher. Add in that he's a lefty, and I think he'd be a pretty good guy to get back for Byrd. I feel he's much better than Randy Wells.

 

That said, I know I'm missing something. What about Lannan do people hate?

 

This article sums it up. I'll quote the key part.

 

In fact, Lannan is basically the east coast version of Joe Saunders, another groundball lefty who throws strikes, eats innings, and has generally produced better than expected ERAs without striking anyone out. When you look at their numbers side by side, it’s almost impossible to tell them apart. The market thought so much of Saunders’ value that he was non-tendered by the Diamondbacks, then was mostly ignored in his pursuit of a multi-year contract in free agency. He eventually returned to Arizona for $6 million on a one year deal.

 

Lannan is due $5 million in 2012, and will follow in Saunders footsteps next winter – if he has another typical season, he’ll likely be a non-tender candidate, as teams generally prefer not to pay upwards of $10 million for these kinds of soft-tossing back-end starters. If Lannan has any surplus value above and beyond what his salary calls for him to earn, it’s minimal at best. For instance, Jeremy Guthrie – a better version of this pitcher-type who has cut his teeth in the AL East – was just swapped for a pair of middling arms with limited club control already making salaries near their actual value, and Gutrhie’s resume and stuff are both superior to Lannan’s.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Could someone please educate me as to why Lannan is so bad? I'm starting to feel like I must be wrong, but I've always viewed him as a really solid pitcher. Add in that he's a lefty, and I think he'd be a pretty good guy to get back for Byrd. I feel he's much better than Randy Wells.

 

That said, I know I'm missing something. What about Lannan do people hate?

 

Perhaps if July rolls around and were out of contention and don't get any offers, I guess we could do worse. I think he has a few years under team control. However, if we do have a fire sale at some point, the name of the game should be getting as many high ceiling prospects as possible, and even if the key to the deal is m

ore Abner Abreu than Chris Archer then so be it, and hopefully we get an intriguing supplementary piece as well. If not, I'd assume that Byrd would be a Type B and the pick would also be more valuable than Lannan.

 

I guess if we could get Lannan for Johnson or DeWitt maybe but there's nobody in the rotation I'd want to bump for him and even if someone were injured I'd prefer Wood and maybe Wells over him.

 

Why would ANYONE want another Abner Abreu when the option might be a left handed rotation arm?

 

You're not getting Lannan for Johnson or DeWitt, no one just gives away lefties like that. He's better than Wells too, and way more interesting...Lannan is on the high end of what Byrd MIGHT bring, not the low end.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Could someone please educate me as to why Lannan is so bad? I'm starting to feel like I must be wrong, but I've always viewed him as a really solid pitcher. Add in that he's a lefty, and I think he'd be a pretty good guy to get back for Byrd. I feel he's much better than Randy Wells.

 

That said, I know I'm missing something. What about Lannan do people hate?

 

This article sums it up. I'll quote the key part.

 

In fact, Lannan is basically the east coast version of Joe Saunders, another groundball lefty who throws strikes, eats innings, and has generally produced better than expected ERAs without striking anyone out. When you look at their numbers side by side, it’s almost impossible to tell them apart. The market thought so much of Saunders’ value that he was non-tendered by the Diamondbacks, then was mostly ignored in his pursuit of a multi-year contract in free agency. He eventually returned to Arizona for $6 million on a one year deal.

 

Lannan is due $5 million in 2012, and will follow in Saunders footsteps next winter – if he has another typical season, he’ll likely be a non-tender candidate, as teams generally prefer not to pay upwards of $10 million for these kinds of soft-tossing back-end starters. If Lannan has any surplus value above and beyond what his salary calls for him to earn, it’s minimal at best. For instance, Jeremy Guthrie – a better version of this pitcher-type who has cut his teeth in the AL East – was just swapped for a pair of middling arms with limited club control already making salaries near their actual value, and Gutrhie’s resume and stuff are both superior to Lannan’s.

 

 

Interesting. Thanks.

 

That's actually what I thought he was. A guy who eats innings, throws strikes and has a good ERA, even though people think he shouldn't because he doesn't K people.

 

Sign me up.

[haubrich91]

What I don't understand is this - let's say we acquire him. Does he go to Iowa? If he's on the MLB roster, who's out of the rotation?

[Little Slide Rooter]

What I don't understand is this - let's say we acquire him. Does he go to Iowa? If he's on the MLB roster, who's out of the rotation?

 

That's just it. If we got him and sent him to Iowa, fine by me. However, the whole reason they're shopping him is because he equested a trade after being optioned to AAA after spring training.

[dew1679666265]

Why would ANYONE want another Abner Abreu when the option might be a left handed rotation arm?

 

You're not getting Lannan for Johnson or DeWitt, no one just gives away lefties like that. He's better than Wells too, and way more interesting...Lannan is on the high end of what Byrd MIGHT bring, not the low end.

 

Lannan: 4.00/4.61/4.45 (ERA/FIP/xFIP) - 4.71 K/9 - 3.38 BB/9 - 1.3 fWAR average

Wells: 4.01/4.24/4.17 (ERA/FIP/xFIP) - 5.95 K/9 - 2.86 BB/9 - 2.1 fWAR average

 

Lannan will turn 28 this year, Wells will turn 30 this year. Even if Lannan has better stuff, it's not shown in production over the course of their careers. Wells has been the better pitcher in almost every way.

 

I'd have no interest whatsoever in a Lannan/Byrd swap.

[Outshined_One]

Interesting. Thanks.

 

That's actually what I thought he was. A guy who eats innings, throws strikes and has a good ERA, even though people think he shouldn't because he doesn't K people.

 

Sign me up.

 

I'd rather not have the Cubs shell out over $10m for an okay at best lefty.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Lannan: 4.00/4.61/4.45 (ERA/FIP/xFIP) - 4.71 K/9 - 3.38 BB/9 - 1.3 fWAR average

Wells: 4.01/4.24/4.17 (ERA/FIP/xFIP) - 5.95 K/9 - 2.86 BB/9 - 2.1 fWAR average

 

Lannan will turn 28 this year, Wells will turn 30 this year. Even if Lannan has better stuff, it's not shown in production over the course of their careers. Wells has been the better pitcher in almost every way.

 

I'd have no interest whatsoever in a Lannan/Byrd swap.

 

So left handed, two years younger, better stuff, probably cheaper haven't checked, and only slightly worse statistically....Hmmmm...and OTOH I can have an Abner Abreu or two?

 

Believe me, I'd much prefer Detweiler, but voluntarily taking an Abner Abreu type prospect over a viable youngish LH BOR option is crazy talk. I don't think Lannan is much, but I know I'd take him over Wells and a couple of A ball lottery picks. Us they might throw in an Abner Abreu type anyway since those are a dime a dozen at your local bodega.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

probably cheaper haven't checked

 

He's significantly more expensive. That's part of the reason he's available.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

probably cheaper haven't checked

 

He's significantly more expensive. That's part of the reason he's available.

 

Ah. There goes that conversation.