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Yeah, and MLB Network Radio says the Cubs will lose 95-100 games. Cubs will not be contenders this year, but this is just insane.

 

Of course, they also said there are 6 teams in the AL that will win 95-100 games and therefore about 6 AL teams that will lose 95-100 games. Leaving only 2 or 3 teams to finish somewhere between 67-95 wins.

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Yeah, and MLB Network Radio says the Cubs will lose 95-100 games. Cubs will not be contenders this year, but this is just insane.

 

Of course, they also said there are 6 teams in the AL that will win 95-100 games and therefore about 6 AL teams that will lose 95-100 games. Leaving only 2 or 3 teams to finish somewhere between 67-95 wins.

 

 

That's some solid math and even better logic.

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Yeah, and MLB Network Radio says the Cubs will lose 95-100 games. Cubs will not be contenders this year, but this is just insane.

 

Of course, they also said there are 6 teams in the AL that will win 95-100 games and therefore about 6 AL teams that will lose 95-100 games. Leaving only 2 or 3 teams to finish somewhere between 67-95 wins.

 

 

That's some solid math and even better logic.

 

I should point out that they said, "therfore about 6 AL teams will lose 95-100 games." That is NOT my logic.

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Gomez was a negative baserunner and put up a .225/.276/.403 line at the plate. I have a serious issue with accepting him as 2 wins above replacement because of 569 innings in the field.
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There is a lot to disagree with in that mish mosh, but it's hard to disagree that the end result will likely be the Astros being the only thing keeping us out of the celler. 95-100 losses isn't entirely inconceiveable, but we could also hover around .500. It all depends on which of the buy low pick ups pan out and who can have a bounceback season, because we have plenty of candidates for it.

 

Specific issues: the bottom 3 1B & 2B could all go either way. Same goes for 5th starter. Depending on Sorianos season, he could be anywhere between 3-6 of left fielders. as for our bullen(Jeff Samardzija, Kerry Wood, James Russell, Marcos Mateo, Scott Maine), we have a lot more options for the back of the pen than those listed.

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You have to accept that Morgan/Gomez is a 2 win player without a bat in their hands to be a clear step ahead of Byrd. I don't think it's crazy to be a bit skeptical of the assumption that they're +17 or so with the glove.

 

Hanigan/Mesoraco over Soto is the one I really don't get. Also, how far has Mat Gamel fallen to be listed last on a list of first basemen that includes LaHair?

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We should play Tony Campana every day. He should be an easy 4-5 WAR player over a full season.

you don't sound like you understand what you're talking about

You say that like it'll stop him from mocking things he doesn't understand.

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Hanigan/Mesoraco over Soto is the one I really don't get.

What, you don't get putting a 31 year old who hasn't been nearly as good as Soto and a 23 year old with 53 PAs above Geo?

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the average CF only hit .261/.325/.409 last season, and Gomez is probably the best defensive CF in baseball

 

Gosh, that means his OBP was only 49 points below average for his position.

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Yes, I was actually making the point that even compared to the relatively meager standards of his position, his line still looks terrible. This was in response to your post, which seemed to be trying to excuse his terrible offense by citing the positional average. The general idea is that your argument is not really persuasive.
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what argument? i didn't invent the stat, i just cited average CF output to shed light on how low the threshold is

 

Well, whatever it was, it wasn't very persuasive. I cited the fairly large OBP difference to shed some light on that.

 

Are we up to speed now?

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We should play Tony Campana every day. He should be an easy 4-5 WAR player over a full season.

you don't sound like you understand what you're talking about

 

If Gomez were to play a full season at last year's rate, he'd be a 5 win player, while being terrible at the plate and a below average baserunner. You have no problem with that evaluation?

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http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20589/nl-central-showdown-position-rankings

 

1. Hanigan/Mesoraco over Soto

2. Soriano the worst LF in the division

3. Jose Altuve ahead of Barney

4. Nyjer Morgan/Carlos Gomez ahead of Byrd

 

what the hell?

 

1. If I knew which Soto I was getting, then perhaps it'd be an easier decision, but I can see the case for liking Mesoraco's upside enough to think that that combination would be better than ours.

 

2. You know, if I have an issue with the LF rankings, it's with Presley so high. That one I don't get. I don't know if I have a problem with Soriano behind Martinez and the Reds combo - I can see the argument for those two ahead. Presley that high? Don't know about that. I'll wait and see if he's a late bloomer that continues, or if some of the power issues in the low levels reemerge as teams figure him out.

 

3. I'm on the record as being not that big on Altuve, I'd take Barney over him, but if someone really liked Altuve's offensive ability, okay, I can see an argument there.

 

4. I don't have a real big issue with Morgan/Gomez over Byrd because of their defensive ability there.

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