Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[davell]

I disagree on Jeffrey. I think he's the next Mike Williams(USC one) and he'll eat himself out of being a WR. Moving up 15 spots or so to get Blackmon versus going after Bowe, Desean, or V-Jax is an interesting debate. Blackmon's cost would allow for other FA signings, while costing us a future 1st and possibly one of our 3rds. Signing an established guy would push us to HAVE to draft very well obviously. And could mean Finley isn't possible.

[TruffleShuffle]

"New Bears offensive coordinator Mike Tice is expected to target a "big-play element" at wide receiver this offseason."

 

would the bears be interested in desean jackson? i'm 95% sure he'll be leaving philly (badmouthed the coaching staff, which is more or less a ticket out of town) and he's quite clearly a big play receiver.

 

Pass. The guy is undersized though very fast and hes a headcase.

 

Jay needs a big target WR.

 

he's not really a headcase, just kind of a dick.

 

now what do you mean by "big target WR?" a guy who is a big play threat and possession receiver too? good luck with that. calvin johnsons and larry fitzgeralds don't grow on trees, and their teams tend to lock them up long term. if you want a big target who isn't that good there are probably some of those available.

[cubbyvirus00]

"New Bears offensive coordinator Mike Tice is expected to target a "big-play element" at wide receiver this offseason."

 

would the bears be interested in desean jackson? i'm 95% sure he'll be leaving philly (badmouthed the coaching staff, which is more or less a ticket out of town) and he's quite clearly a big play receiver.

 

Pass. The guy is undersized though very fast and hes a headcase.

 

Jay needs a big target WR.

 

he's not really a headcase, just kind of a dick.

 

now what do you mean by "big target WR?" a guy who is a big play threat and possession receiver too? good luck with that. calvin johnsons and larry fitzgeralds don't grow on trees, and their teams tend to lock them up long term. if you want a big target who isn't that good there are probably some of those available.

 

I'm thinking a VJ/Nicks/Marshall kind of a wideout. Somebody 6'3+ that is able to physically abuse smaller DBs.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm thinking a VJ/Nicks/Marshall kind of a wideout. Somebody 6'3+ that is able to physically abuse smaller DBs.

 

yeah well good luck with that. everyone in the nfl wants a guy like that and when they get them, they don't tend to let go (unless they're a dick, like brandon marshall)

[davell]

I hope Marshall gets pouty and we give up a 3rd or something for him. To me, that's our best case scenario. Jay and him are BFF's and have a proven track record together. I was all for Desean, but WalterFootball brings up an excellent point about him; His production hasn't been the same since his concussion. Bowe and V-Jax are the 2 FA guys I'd really want one of.

[mul21]

I really don't think Blackmon is even going to be an option. I think the Colts take Luck (or somebody does) with the 1st pick and the Rams take him with the 2nd. I have a feeling they'd have to be overwhelmed (read: stupid level overpay) with picks to trade out of that spot and not get Blackmon.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I really don't think Blackmon is even going to be an option. I think the Colts take Luck (or somebody does) with the 1st pick and the Rams take him with the 2nd. I have a feeling they'd have to be overwhelmed (read: stupid level overpay) with picks to trade out of that spot and not get Blackmon.

 

I don't disagree, they have a huge need at WR, but they have a huge need at a lot of places. I could see them loading up on picks with a team that picks in the teens, getting Floyd and having more picks to use on other areas of need.

[TruffleShuffle]

if the rams are drafting #2 and not trading out to let another team get blackmon or rg3, they had better take matt kalil. unless they are actively hoping that sam bradford dies on the field.

[mul21]

if the rams are drafting #2 and not trading out to let another team get blackmon or rg3, they had better take matt kalil. unless they are actively hoping that sam bradford dies on the field.

 

Their tackles aren't bad, they just weren't healthy this year. I think WR is a much bigger need for them. Just adding some not awful depth on the line should be fine for them.

[rawaction]

Thoughts on the last page.

 

- Blackmon is probably not an option. Unless he gets to the bottom of the top 10 (past the Jags pick), because so many teams will want him. I don't think the Rams will take him at #2, but I also don't think the Rams will even pick at #2. They will look to trade out of that pick to whoever wants RG3. If not, I think they take Matt Kalil and Minnesota trades out of 3 to a team that wants to jump Cleveland for RG3 (to try and get Reiff lower where he will be worth the pick). Plus, I don't think Blackmon is that much better than Floyd, Jeffery, or Kendall Wright to trade as much as Atlanta did last year.....and I'm afraid of Jeffery (not many 6'4", 235lb WRs around the league for a reason).

 

- Cutler doesn't NEED a big target. I think it would make him more comfortable, but Roy Williams was 6'2", so size isn't the end-all, be-all. Roethlisberger doesn't have a WR over 6'. Rodgers only has Jordy Nelson. Brady only has TEs with height. The Eagles are perennially in the top 10 in passing and have never had 6' WRs (even before Jackson/Maclin).

 

I'm thinking a VJ/Nicks/Marshall kind of a wideout. Somebody 6'3+ that is able to physically abuse smaller DBs.

 

- Hakeem Nicks measured at 6' 1/2" at the combine. Not even 6-1. The Bears just need guys that can get open. Don't care how tall they are. I'd love to have a Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson, or Larry Fitzgerald with the great size/speed combo, but I'd settle for a "little" guy that can get open. There are a lot more of them running around the league than there are of the former.

[davell]

The rumor mentioned 2 receivers, whether it's a WR and a TE or 2 WR's. I don't think height matters all that much either personally. Just guys that constantly get open. It mentioned an aging defense and wanting to capitalize before it's too late and I agree with that. Fred Davis is another TE available, but he's one strike away from a season long suspension. V-Jax may be the same actually. Bowe could get franchised. We may and probably will have less options than what it looks like right now. I'd be OK with a Marques Colston/WR in the 1st or 2nd round combo if it comes down to it. But adding a bigtime guy like a Bowe/V-Jax/Marshall would immediately make our other WR's better just by being on the field.

[Guest]

I really don't think Blackmon is even going to be an option. I think the Colts take Luck (or somebody does) with the 1st pick and the Rams take him with the 2nd. I have a feeling they'd have to be overwhelmed (read: stupid level overpay) with picks to trade out of that spot and not get Blackmon.

 

That'd be very unwise of them. Kalil is so much better than Blackmon and LT is a position of need for them too.

[Guest]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

[rawaction]

The rumor mentioned 2 receivers, whether it's a WR and a TE or 2 WR's. I don't think height matters all that much either personally. Just guys that constantly get open. It mentioned an aging defense and wanting to capitalize before it's too late and I agree with that. Fred Davis is another TE available, but he's one strike away from a season long suspension. V-Jax may be the same actually. Bowe could get franchised. We may and probably will have less options than what it looks like right now. I'd be OK with a Marques Colston/WR in the 1st or 2nd round combo if it comes down to it. But adding a bigtime guy like a Bowe/V-Jax/Marshall would immediately make our other WR's better just by being on the field.

 

I think Bowe will be franchised. I don't see Marshall going anywhere as the Dolphins will be big players to trade up for RG3 or to trade for Matt Flynn. I also can't see Colston leaving NO. They do have Brees and Nicks ahead of him as priorities, but whichever one they can't workout a long term deal with will be franchised, and I think Colston will take a discount to stay with a team that's going to pass for 5000 yards again. Despite the stuff that went on in Philly, I think they want DeSean Jackson back. Andy Reid still loves the guy. I will concede Vincent Jackson as a possibility, but I think that's it of the big named WRs.

[davell]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

I think they'll franchise Flynn to try and trade him. They'd get a pretty high comp pick if Finley leaves anyway.

[rawaction]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

 

I think Finley's gone. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a Dwayne Allen in the 1st round. Matt Flynn will most likely be franchised. He's the #1 FA QB, and they aren't going to let him walk for nothing. This is a very similar situation to the Pats with Matt Cassel a few years ago. I fear that Miami or Washington will trade a 1st + for him, giving the Pack a pick in the top 10.

[Soul]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

I think they'll franchise Flynn to try and trade him. They'd get a pretty high comp pick if Finley leaves anyway.

 

What? They'd franchise a backup QB for top-dollar money? What if he isn't traded? I don't think they're taking that risk. If they can train Flynn to be a decent QB, they can train up any number of others to fill that role.

 

Green Bay knows how to develop QBs. They aren't pining for QB talent. They create it.

[davell]

The rumor mentioned 2 receivers, whether it's a WR and a TE or 2 WR's. I don't think height matters all that much either personally. Just guys that constantly get open. It mentioned an aging defense and wanting to capitalize before it's too late and I agree with that. Fred Davis is another TE available, but he's one strike away from a season long suspension. V-Jax may be the same actually. Bowe could get franchised. We may and probably will have less options than what it looks like right now. I'd be OK with a Marques Colston/WR in the 1st or 2nd round combo if it comes down to it. But adding a bigtime guy like a Bowe/V-Jax/Marshall would immediately make our other WR's better just by being on the field.

 

I think Bowe will be franchised. I don't see Marshall going anywhere as the Dolphins will be big players to trade up for RG3 or to trade for Matt Flynn. I also can't see Colston leaving NO. They do have Brees and Nicks ahead of him as priorities, but whichever one they can't workout a long term deal with will be franchised, and I think Colston will take a discount to stay with a team that's going to pass for 5000 yards again. Despite the stuff that went on in Philly, I think they want DeSean Jackson back. Andy Reid still loves the guy. I will concede Vincent Jackson as a possibility, but I think that's it of the big named WRs.

I kind of agree that's a possibility, other than Colston, who I figure New Orleans let's go of, to try to add a little D. I doubt Buffalo keeps Stevie Johnson, who may not be elite, but he's definitely better than what we've got. Is Reggie Wayne too old at this point? What about Garcon? One or the other of them, maybe both, will be gone from Indy as well.

[rawaction]

The rumor mentioned 2 receivers, whether it's a WR and a TE or 2 WR's. I don't think height matters all that much either personally. Just guys that constantly get open. It mentioned an aging defense and wanting to capitalize before it's too late and I agree with that. Fred Davis is another TE available, but he's one strike away from a season long suspension. V-Jax may be the same actually. Bowe could get franchised. We may and probably will have less options than what it looks like right now. I'd be OK with a Marques Colston/WR in the 1st or 2nd round combo if it comes down to it. But adding a bigtime guy like a Bowe/V-Jax/Marshall would immediately make our other WR's better just by being on the field.

 

I think Bowe will be franchised. I don't see Marshall going anywhere as the Dolphins will be big players to trade up for RG3 or to trade for Matt Flynn. I also can't see Colston leaving NO. They do have Brees and Nicks ahead of him as priorities, but whichever one they can't workout a long term deal with will be franchised, and I think Colston will take a discount to stay with a team that's going to pass for 5000 yards again. Despite the stuff that went on in Philly, I think they want DeSean Jackson back. Andy Reid still loves the guy. I will concede Vincent Jackson as a possibility, but I think that's it of the big named WRs.

I kind of agree that's a possibility, other than Colston, who I figure New Orleans let's go of, to try to add a little D. I doubt Buffalo keeps Stevie Johnson, who may not be elite, but he's definitely better than what we've got. Is Reggie Wayne too old at this point? What about Garcon? One or the other of them, maybe both, will be gone from Indy as well.

 

I think both will be gone. Wayne is too old. Garcon would be Ok, but I don't think he makes the WR corps much better. Stevie Johnson, I don't know what to think about him. I think he leaves, but I don't know what he will get paid or if he's good enough to justify it either way.

[davell]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

I think they'll franchise Flynn to try and trade him. They'd get a pretty high comp pick if Finley leaves anyway.

 

What? They'd franchise a backup QB for top-dollar money? What if he isn't traded? I don't think they're taking that risk. If they can train Flynn to be a decent QB, they can train up any number of others to fill that role.

 

Green Bay knows how to develop QBs. They aren't pining for QB talent. They create it.

I'm just repeating what's being speculated. I'm not sure how much of a risk it'd wind up being honestly. There's quite a few teams looking for a QB. I doubt a team would give up more than a 1st for him, but I think it's a possibility some teams would do that, especially since Barkley and Jones stayed in school.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i like stevie johnson, but hes not really elite and he makes a lot of dumb mistakes it seems. i'd still take him if we drafted someone in the first two rounds though

[Guest]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

I think they'll franchise Flynn to try and trade him. They'd get a pretty high comp pick if Finley leaves anyway.

 

What? They'd franchise a backup QB for top-dollar money? What if he isn't traded? I don't think they're taking that risk. If they can train Flynn to be a decent QB, they can train up any number of others to fill that role.

 

Green Bay knows how to develop QBs. They aren't pining for QB talent. They create it.

 

I've heard rumors of franchising Flynn but it is a very big risk. After Cassell and Kolb struggled, I wonder if other teams will be less interested in backups coming from good offensive systems.

[davell]

The rumor mentioned 2 receivers, whether it's a WR and a TE or 2 WR's. I don't think height matters all that much either personally. Just guys that constantly get open. It mentioned an aging defense and wanting to capitalize before it's too late and I agree with that. Fred Davis is another TE available, but he's one strike away from a season long suspension. V-Jax may be the same actually. Bowe could get franchised. We may and probably will have less options than what it looks like right now. I'd be OK with a Marques Colston/WR in the 1st or 2nd round combo if it comes down to it. But adding a bigtime guy like a Bowe/V-Jax/Marshall would immediately make our other WR's better just by being on the field.

 

I think Bowe will be franchised. I don't see Marshall going anywhere as the Dolphins will be big players to trade up for RG3 or to trade for Matt Flynn. I also can't see Colston leaving NO. They do have Brees and Nicks ahead of him as priorities, but whichever one they can't workout a long term deal with will be franchised, and I think Colston will take a discount to stay with a team that's going to pass for 5000 yards again. Despite the stuff that went on in Philly, I think they want DeSean Jackson back. Andy Reid still loves the guy. I will concede Vincent Jackson as a possibility, but I think that's it of the big named WRs.

I kind of agree that's a possibility, other than Colston, who I figure New Orleans let's go of, to try to add a little D. I doubt Buffalo keeps Stevie Johnson, who may not be elite, but he's definitely better than what we've got. Is Reggie Wayne too old at this point? What about Garcon? One or the other of them, maybe both, will be gone from Indy as well.

 

I think both will be gone. Wayne is too old. Garcon would be Ok, but I don't think he makes the WR corps much better. Stevie Johnson, I don't know what to think about him. I think he leaves, but I don't know what he will get paid or if he's good enough to justify it either way.

I'd be OK with Wayne, if we took a WR very early in the draft. I think we'd need something in addition to Garcon too, for that matter. I'm with you on Stevie. I figure he'd be our clear cut top guy, but I'm not sure how good he is either. I think he'll get "difference maker" money from someone and he may not be THAT good.

[rawaction]

Also, I wonder if the Packers would franchise Finley.

I think they'll franchise Flynn to try and trade him. They'd get a pretty high comp pick if Finley leaves anyway.

 

What? They'd franchise a backup QB for top-dollar money? What if he isn't traded? I don't think they're taking that risk. If they can train Flynn to be a decent QB, they can train up any number of others to fill that role.

 

Green Bay knows how to develop QBs. They aren't pining for QB talent. They create it.

I'm just repeating what's being speculated. I'm not sure how much of a risk it'd wind up being honestly. There's quite a few teams looking for a QB. I doubt a team would give up more than a 1st for him, but I think it's a possibility some teams would do that, especially since Barkley and Jones stayed in school.

 

Exactly. You don't have a deep QB class this year. You don't have a Kevin Kolb going to the highest bidder. Flynn is the only potential prize for a team looking for a long-term QB option that misses out on RG3 (and Luck). It's not that big of a risk for GB. Worst case, the Packers can't trade him and negotiate a long-term deal with Flynn. Best case, they get a 1st round pick for him. It's a no brainer to me. I thought NE was taking a bigger risk in franchising Cassel a few years ago.

[rawaction]

I've heard rumors of franchising Flynn but it is a very big risk. After Cassell and Kolb struggled, I wonder if other teams will be less interested in backups coming from good offensive systems.

 

Didn't really think of that. RE: Cassel and Kolb's struggles. And Flynn has less experience than both. But teams do still go crazy over QBs. Hell, teams still drafted Tebow, Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder in the 1st round and they were clearly not 1st round talents.