2011-2012 NBA Season

[Smack]

LeBron throws an elbow at Granger 9for the second time, Granger says something and of course it's Granger who gets a tech.

 

Yeah but you see, LEBRON IS A STAR. Paging Ryan Weem.

[Smack]

Last year when the pesky annoying Pacers were playing the Bulls, I never thought I would've been enjoying them so much right now.

 

Haha, yeah I'm feeling exactly the same way right now.

[Smack]

Pacers are just gaining more and more confidence. Is Bosh for sure out for the rest of the series?

[JimSorgi]

Pacers are just gaining more and more confidence. Is Bosh for sure out for the rest of the series?

Doesn't seem likely at all that he'd return. If he does, he'd probably re-injure himself quickly.

Edited May 18, 2012 by JimSorgi

[17 Seconds]

this was just a beatdown.

[Brian]

I never actually said it but I've felt for a while now the Heat wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round... Of course this was when everyone was just assuming it would be Bulls/Heat in the ECF... And of course this series is far from over. Edited May 18, 2012 by Brian

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[bcl412]

Man, I wish Rose didn't go down. I suppose Miami would look a hell of a lot better if Bosh were out there too though.

[Cubswin11]

What actual hoop fan wants Wade suspended? That was a hard foul and they called a flagrant on it. Id rather the best players play i the games.

I really enjoyed watching Wade, one of the best players in the game, go 2-13 on FG, 0-2 on 3's, 1-2 on FT's, score 5 points and turn it over 5 times tonight.

[Derwood]

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[El Duderino]

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what on earth

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the Golem of Akron

[Derwood]

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what on earth

 

do a search for "golem" in this forum

[Sosa21MVP]

What actual hoop fan wants Wade suspended? That was a hard foul and they called a flagrant on it. Id rather the best players play i the games.

I really enjoyed watching Wade, one of the best players in the game, go 2-13 on FG, 0-2 on 3's, 1-2 on FT's, score 5 points and turn it over 5 times tonight.

 

So in other words he "suspended" himself tonight in the interest of fairness. Works for me. So glad I grabbed a ticket to Game 4 last night online.

[Magnetic Curses]

What actual hoop fan wants Wade suspended? That was a hard foul and they called a flagrant on it. Id rather the best players play i the games.

I really enjoyed watching Wade, one of the best players in the game, go 2-13 on FG, 0-2 on 3's, 1-2 on FT's, score 5 points and turn it over 5 times tonight.

 

how many times did he shriek like a forlorn banshee over the scottish bog on drives in which he thought he was fouled?

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love that one, although he's more yelling than squealing or shrieking

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this one illustrates what he does every single time he goes to the hoop and there's no foul.

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2m The Iron Sheik ‏@the_ironsheik

Lebron is the virgil forever all the money won't make him he learn soon the hand that feed you don't [expletive] cut that hand

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[DivineBovine]

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I love it. :lol:

 

 

But as NSBB's resident LeBron hater, I will defend him a bit here. OK, kind of defend him.

 

I just don't get it when people criticize LeBron for being passive in the 4th quarter. Making it seem like he has some mental issue where he chokes. I think people like this just don't pay attention to LeBron James and his game. He's a great player. He's got many many strengths. Defense, passing, athleticism, the ability to finish on the break. Statistically, maybe even the best player of all time. But being a fourth quarter guy is simply not who his is. He is just NOT GOOD at scoring in a half court offense in a tight game against a good defense. He is not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great post game. He does not have slithery moves where he can weave through traffic and get to the basket at will. MJ and young Kobe could do this. LeBron James is just not that good at it. He's no MJ, no Kobe, not even a Dirk Nowitski when you need a basket against a good defense in a half court set with a playoff game on the line. And it always seems like games seem to come down to this in the playoffs. That's why I'm the resident LeBron hater, because I think that his gaudy stats don't take this into account. Yeah, I know he shoots a great percentage and gets his share of baskets. (If I were a basketball statistician, I'd try and figure out how to take this into account. But to Hollinger, a fast break dunk in the first quarter is equivalent to beating 3 guys off the dribble and hitting a jumper with 2 minutes left in a tie game)

 

But people should just get over it. He's a great player. He's just not a fourth quarter guy. He cannot take charge of an offense when the team needs it in a close playoff game. It's NOT MENTAL!! That's my pet peeve. When people make it seem like he's got no balls and he disappears in the fourth quarter just because he's not assertive enough. As if LeBron James gets nervous or has some sort of mental block after all these years playing basketball.

[UMFan83]

So to recap, you don't think people should criticize LeBron for sucking in the 4th quarter, and then go on to basically say LeBron sucks in the 4th quarter.

 

People criticize him because rightly or wrongly he has been anointed as the best player in the NBA and on the path to being one of the all-time greats. So because of that the standards are sky high for him and failing in the 4th quarter is pretty much inexcusable for a player of his supposed caliber.

[Guest]

So to recap, you don't think people should criticize LeBron for sucking in the 4th quarter, and then go on to basically say LeBron sucks in the 4th quarter.

 

People criticize him because rightly or wrongly he has been anointed as the best player in the NBA and on the path to being one of the all-time greats. So because of that the standards are sky high for him and failing in the 4th quarter is pretty much inexcusable for a player of his supposed caliber.

He needs to develop a post game like MJ did later in his career and he'd be pretty much unstoppable. He's got that much additional size over Jordan.

[DivineBovine]

So to recap, you don't think people should criticize LeBron for sucking in the 4th quarter, and then go on to basically say LeBron sucks in the 4th quarter.

 

People criticize him because rightly or wrongly he has been anointed as the best player in the NBA and on the path to being one of the all-time greats. So because of that the standards are sky high for him and failing in the 4th quarter is pretty much inexcusable for a player of his supposed caliber.

 

 

I think its fine to criticize LeBron for not being a good fourth quarter player. But it drives me nuts when people think its mental. "LeBron needs to be more assertive." "LeBron needs to demand the ball at the end of the game." "He needs to play like he does in the first quarter." "What's wrong with LeBron? It's mental". You see educated sports people in the media spew this nonsense. It's like they've never watched LeBron play and only follow the box score.

 

It also drives me nuts when the LeBron lovers who claim he's the greatest of all time ignore the fact that he's not a great fourth quarter player. All they can do is spew stats. "Look at his PER. Look at his FG%. His assists." Give me MJ or Kobe over LeBron any time. No question.

Edited May 18, 2012 by DivineBovine

[DivineBovine]

So to recap, you don't think people should criticize LeBron for sucking in the 4th quarter, and then go on to basically say LeBron sucks in the 4th quarter.

 

People criticize him because rightly or wrongly he has been anointed as the best player in the NBA and on the path to being one of the all-time greats. So because of that the standards are sky high for him and failing in the 4th quarter is pretty much inexcusable for a player of his supposed caliber.

He needs to develop a post game like MJ did later in his career and he'd be pretty much unstoppable. He's got that much additional size over Jordan.

 

 

He's the finest athletic specimen to ever play in the NBA. It's true that a post game would make him unstoppable. But he doesn't look like he'll ever develop MJ's turnaround jumper from the post. Kobe Bryant did. LeBron probably never will. I mean, he has been in the league for 8 seasons and still has no go to move. Unless he's hot with the jumper or the other team is playing matador defense, he's just not going to carry a team offensively in a half court set. Too bad this is what tight playoff games seem to always come down to.

[Splendid Splinter]

So to recap, you don't think people should criticize LeBron for sucking in the 4th quarter, and then go on to basically say LeBron sucks in the 4th quarter.

 

People criticize him because rightly or wrongly he has been anointed as the best player in the NBA and on the path to being one of the all-time greats. So because of that the standards are sky high for him and failing in the 4th quarter is pretty much inexcusable for a player of his supposed caliber.

 

 

I think its fine to criticize LeBron for not being a good fourth quarter player. But it drives me nuts when people think its mental. "LeBron needs to be more assertive." "LeBron needs to demand the ball at the end of the game." "He needs to play like he does in the first quarter." "What's wrong with LeBron? It's mental". You see educated sports people in the media spew this nonsense. It's like they've never watched LeBron play and only follow the box score.

 

It also drives me nuts when the LeBron lovers who claim he's the greatest of all time ignore the fact that he's not a great fourth quarter player. All they can do is spew stats. "Look at his PER. Look at his FG%. His assists." Give me MJ or Kobe over LeBron any time. No question.

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=3&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-3&margin_max=3&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg_pct

 

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jamesle01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=3&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-3&margin_max=3&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg_pct

 

 

I figured on 3 minutes or less, the game being within 3 pts either way, and in the 4th and OT during the season and playoff in their careers. You can get pretty specific with this shot finder (like adding a criteria of only shots to tie or take the lead- go ahead... LeBron still shoot better in this situation). I'm not sure if I would take Kobe over LeBron. Kobe has made some last second/clutch/circus/etc... shots in his career, but everyone focus on that so much that they just overlook (or willing to) that Kobe honestly isn't THAT great of a 4th quarter player himself. It's the same way with Wade. Wade have made some big shots and everyone thinks he should take the last shot over LeBron. I'm not saying LeBron is a great 4th quarter player or he's the greatest player of all time. Just wanted to add my 2 cent to this.

[Sammy Sofa]

So to recap, you don't think people should criticize LeBron for sucking in the 4th quarter, and then go on to basically say LeBron sucks in the 4th quarter.

 

People criticize him because rightly or wrongly he has been anointed as the best player in the NBA and on the path to being one of the all-time greats. So because of that the standards are sky high for him and failing in the 4th quarter is pretty much inexcusable for a player of his supposed caliber.

 

NAILED IT.