Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread

[bukie]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

[ChiCubsFan]

14 shots to get 15 points isn't good but it's not terrible. Especially when you consider how he was in foul trouble all game and couldn't get in rhythm.

 

You really don't think Boozer has been playing better/fitting into the offense much better lately?

 

I think he has had good games. But I think he's had some bad games too. He's a guy that clearly has physical basketball talent, but good lord is he a dumb basketball player.

 

As an example, and admittedly this is based on my own opinion, from my couch...every time he should go up strong with the basketball, he goes layup or tries to softly put it up....but if he's in the lane and well guarded or somewhere that he actually needs to make a move, he'll plow into the guy for a charge. He's good for about 2 charges a game.

 

He ends up with ok to decent numbers most nights, but he's just so frustrating to watch.

 

2.2 TO per 36 minutes. I'm okay with that.

 

I do agree with you about going up soft too often resulting in getting blocked.

[SpongeWorthy]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

 

Also doing that in a Mike Brown "system" and knowing he's been dangled in trade talks all season. His efficiency will rocket if he's in a better situation, IMO.

[ChiCubsFan]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

 

Which is why they're getting a solid PG and a very valuable asset in return. For money to match they'd probably also get Brewer or Korver, which also helps with their lack of depth.

[ChiCubsFan]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

 

Also doing that in a Mike Brown "system" and knowing he's been dangled in trade talks all season. His efficiency will rocket if he's in a better situation, IMO.

 

As would Boozer's.

[Banedon]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

 

Also doing that in a Mike Brown "system" and knowing he's been dangled in trade talks all season. His efficiency will rocket if he's in a better situation, IMO.

 

As would Boozer's.

 

Boozer's in a bad situation?

[ChiCubsFan]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

 

Also doing that in a Mike Brown "system" and knowing he's been dangled in trade talks all season. His efficiency will rocket if he's in a better situation, IMO.

 

As would Boozer's.

 

Boozer's in a bad situation?

 

Offensively for him? Of course. Compare his numbers from Utah/Cleveland to what he's done here in the last year and a half. You really think he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason? The Bulls don't run nearly enough pick and roll with him and Derrick is not a great pick and roll point guard. He also has Noah clogging the lane, a point guard who either drives to the basket or shoots a 3, and a host of wing players that can't dribble or create a shot. It's far from an ideal scenario for Boozers offensive numbers.

[bukie]

Offensively for him? Of course. Compare his numbers from Utah/Cleveland to what he's done here in the last year and a half. You really think he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason? The Bulls don't run nearly enough pick and roll with him and Derrick is not a great pick and roll point guard. He also has Noah clogging the lane, a point guard who either drives to the basket or shoots a 3, and a host of wing players that can't dribble or create a shot. It's far from an ideal scenario for Boozers offensive numbers.

 

The Bulls' primary offensive option is the pick-and-roll, and the Bulls' pick and roll offense is the most efficient P&R in the NBA. So...Rose and the scheme aren't the problem here.

[ChiCubsFan]

Offensively for him? Of course. Compare his numbers from Utah/Cleveland to what he's done here in the last year and a half. You really think he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason? The Bulls don't run nearly enough pick and roll with him and Derrick is not a great pick and roll point guard. He also has Noah clogging the lane, a point guard who either drives to the basket or shoots a 3, and a host of wing players that can't dribble or create a shot. It's far from an ideal scenario for Boozers offensive numbers.

 

The Bulls' primary offensive option is the pick-and-roll, and the Bulls' pick and roll offense is the most efficient P&R in the NBA. So...Rose and the scheme aren't the problem here.

 

I didn't say they didn't run the PnR enough, I said they didn't run it with Boozer enough. Lately I've seen Boozer running it a lot more, which is why I think he's been playing better.

 

What is your hypothesis for Boozer's decreased production and efficiency then?

[ChiCubsFan]

And Derrick is not a great PnR point guard, regardless of what the numbers say. Of course it's efficient when the play is setting a pick (which isn't even necessary) and letting Derrick drive to the basket. He's one of the greatest finishers in the league and draws a lot of fouls on contact at the rim. Edited March 14, 2012 by ChiCubsFan

[bukie]

Offensively for him? Of course. Compare his numbers from Utah/Cleveland to what he's done here in the last year and a half. You really think he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason? The Bulls don't run nearly enough pick and roll with him and Derrick is not a great pick and roll point guard. He also has Noah clogging the lane, a point guard who either drives to the basket or shoots a 3, and a host of wing players that can't dribble or create a shot. It's far from an ideal scenario for Boozers offensive numbers.

 

The Bulls' primary offensive option is the pick-and-roll, and the Bulls' pick and roll offense is the most efficient P&R in the NBA. So...Rose and the scheme aren't the problem here.

 

I didn't say they didn't run the PnR enough, I said they didn't run it with Boozer enough. Lately I've seen Boozer running it a lot more, which is why I think he's been playing better.

 

What is your hypothesis for Boozer's decreased production and efficiency then?

He was injured last year and has no lift left in his legs. He doesn't play above the rim, so his offensive production is reduced to long-range 2's. He's still a really good rebounder for positioning, but he's terrible on help defense.

[cubbyvirus00]

the PnR works great if the roller can drive to the basket and finish. How often is it, that Boozer gets called for a charge, or his softy layup gets swatted into the 10th row?

[bukie]

And Derrick is not a great PnR point guard, regardless of what the numbers say. Of course it's efficient when the play is setting a pick (which isn't even necessary) and letting Derrick drive to the basket.

If the numbers say they're the most efficient scoring team off the PnR in the league, and they run the PnR as their primary play (33% of the time overall, 22% where the ballhandler cuts to the hoop, 11% when the roller gets the ball), I have a tough time finding fault with the primary offensive player involved in the set.

 

For curiosity's sake, the second offensive option for the Bulls offensively is creating offense from offensive rebounds. Third is transition, fourth is Iso, fifth is spot-up, and they almost never use post-up offensive plays.

[ChiCubsFan]

Offensively for him? Of course. Compare his numbers from Utah/Cleveland to what he's done here in the last year and a half. You really think he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason? The Bulls don't run nearly enough pick and roll with him and Derrick is not a great pick and roll point guard. He also has Noah clogging the lane, a point guard who either drives to the basket or shoots a 3, and a host of wing players that can't dribble or create a shot. It's far from an ideal scenario for Boozers offensive numbers.

 

The Bulls' primary offensive option is the pick-and-roll, and the Bulls' pick and roll offense is the most efficient P&R in the NBA. So...Rose and the scheme aren't the problem here.

 

I didn't say they didn't run the PnR enough, I said they didn't run it with Boozer enough. Lately I've seen Boozer running it a lot more, which is why I think he's been playing better.

 

What is your hypothesis for Boozer's decreased production and efficiency then?

He was injured last year and has no lift left in his legs. He doesn't play above the rim, so his offensive production is reduced to long-range 2's. He's still a really good rebounder for positioning, but he's terrible on help defense.

 

He's never had lift or played above the rim. I swear it's like some of you guys never watched Carlos Boozer play basketball before he came to the Bulls. Yeah in his younger years he was a little more athletic, but his last few years in Utah he was the same guy you're seeing now. He was just utilized more effectively.

[ChiCubsFan]

the PnR works great if the roller can drive to the basket and finish. How often is it, that Boozer gets called for a charge, or his softy layup gets swatted into the 10th row?

 

And why do you think he can't finish now but could in Utah?

[ConstableRabbit]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.

He's doing that without a PG, and he's miles better defensively than Boozer.

 

Also doing that in a Mike Brown "system" and knowing he's been dangled in trade talks all season. His efficiency will rocket if he's in a better situation, IMO.

 

As would Boozer's.

 

Boozer's in a bad situation?

 

Offensively for him? Of course. Compare his numbers from Utah/Cleveland to what he's done here in the last year and a half. You really think he just lost all his talent in 1 offseason? The Bulls don't run nearly enough pick and roll with him and Derrick is not a great pick and roll point guard. He also has Noah clogging the lane, a point guard who either drives to the basket or shoots a 3, and a host of wing players that can't dribble or create a shot. It's far from an ideal scenario for Boozers offensive numbers.

Isn't he doing about the same on a per minute basis?

[cubbyvirus00]

the PnR works great if the roller can drive to the basket and finish. How often is it, that Boozer gets called for a charge, or his softy layup gets swatted into the 10th row?

 

And why do you think he can't finish now but could in Utah?

 

Read the above post? He was younger and maybe was able to finish with a dunk more then 2 times a year?

[Guest]

I haven't watched the Cavs play yet this season, but I don't think a defense-first center is high on their wishlist. From all I've read, in shopping Jamison and Sessions they want picks, picks, picks first and foremost.

[Ryne Ween]

Boozer's game is not down at all. In utah he had a strecth 5 who played on the perimeter, a great distributor at point, and an all time great offensive mind coaching him. He takes more jump shots now and works less in the paint now so obviously his efficiency suffers.

 

That said, Pau Gasol is the better player and I would prefer him to boozer and watson.

[KingCubsFan]

I haven't watched the Cavs play yet this season, but I don't think a defense-first center is high on their wishlist. From all I've read, in shopping Jamison and Sessions they want picks, picks, picks first and foremost.

Apparently Asik is high on their wish list this summer. That's why we should look into trading him if possible. There's no way he comes back next year.

[ChiCubsFan]

Boozer's game is not down at all. In utah he had a strecth 5 who played on the perimeter, a great distributor at point, and an all time great offensive mind coaching him. He takes more jump shots now and works less in the paint now so obviously his efficiency suffers.

 

That said, Pau Gasol is the better player and I would prefer him to boozer and watson.

 

Exactly.

[ChiCubsFan]

the PnR works great if the roller can drive to the basket and finish. How often is it, that Boozer gets called for a charge, or his softy layup gets swatted into the 10th row?

 

And why do you think he can't finish now but could in Utah?

 

Read the above post? He was younger and maybe was able to finish with a dunk more then 2 times a year?

 

He's the same freaking player now than he was in Utah 2 seasons ago.

[Banedon]

Wait what? You said he was down from his Cleveland/Utah days.

[ChiCubsFan]

Wait what? You said he was down from his Cleveland/Utah days.

 

I said his production and efficiency are down.

[Banedon]

Wait what? You said he was down from his Cleveland/Utah days.

 

I said his production and efficiency are down.

 

Two posts up you said he's the same player he was in Utah. Either he is or he isn't.