Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread

[17 Seconds]

since loul deng's wrist exploded, he's averaged 39 minutes per game. the only guy who averages more per game this season is kevin love.

 

of the 19 games deng has played since the injury, only 7 have been above .500.

 

so you don't think it's a bad idea to play deng for more minutes than almost anybody in the nba while he he has a busted wrist and we're playing garbage teams?

[Sammy Sofa]

There's a difference between wanted him to take more advantage of when he can sit his best players (sane) and thinking most of the injuries are being caused by him "running the team into the ground" (insane). The team with the front office that was punching the last coach for potentially overplaying their best player isn't going to suddenly sit back and let Thibs kill everyone. Most of these injuries are the ones that just happen and it's shitty coincidence that they've piled up at so much of the same time.

 

And Deng's wrist isn't going to get "better" by him sitting just like it isn't going to get worse by him playing. The pain is either manageable or it isn't regardless of the minutes he plays, and clearly it's not. He should have gotten the surgery ASAP as certain people in the organization wanted. They effectively left it up to him and he, being a typical stupid player, made a typically stupid player decision. But don't again foolishly construe this as me saying he should be played as much as he's been played; he should be playing less minutes against shitty teams whether he has the wrist pain or not.

[17 Seconds]

There's a difference between wanted him to take more advantage of when he can sit his best players (sane) and thinking most of the injuries are being caused by him "running the team into the ground" (insane).

 

it was a pretty obvious exaggeration. i assumed by the way i worded it aht people would understand my overall point. i even flat out told you in my last post that i'm not saying the injuries are his fault. i'm saying i don't think he's taking the proper measures considering the all around circumstances of this season. his whole thing has always been "if guys are healthy, they'll play". well, they aren't healthy.

 

And Deng's wrist isn't going to get "better" by him sitting just like it isn't going to get worse by him playing. The pain is either manageable or it isn't regardless of the minutes he plays, and clearly it's not.

 

what? the only thing to take into consideration now is the pain level. the pain level will not only determine how much he can play the rest of the season, but how WELL he will play the rest of the season. considering he came out and said that the pain has been building up and is forcing him to take a few days off, how can you say it doesn't matter how much he plays? that's all that matters at this point.

 

i just don't see how you can make a defense for playing the guy the second most minutes per game in the nba while he has a torn ligament in his wrist, especially considering he's the bulls second most important player. it's just common sense that you might want to take it easy on him and play it safe. we're trying to make him last through the postseason and we're throwing him out there for 39 minutes a game so we can beat up on a bunch of bottom dwellars and pad our regular season record.

[Sammy Sofa]

what? the only thing to take into consideration now is the pain level. the pain level will not only determine how much he can play the rest of the season, but how WELL he will play the rest of the season. considering he came out and said that the pain has been building up and is forcing him to take a few days off, how can you say it doesn't matter how much he plays? that's all that matters at this point.

 

Because what aggravates the pain most are things like him landing on it awkwardly or taking a shot to it and so on. Those are things that can happen if he plays 2 minutes or 40. Obviously playing less will decrease the chance of something like that, and he should be playing less even if the wrist wasn't an issue, but talking like simply playing less on its own somehow makes it better isn't accurate.

 

i just don't see how you can make a defense for playing the guy the second most minutes per game in the nba while he has a torn ligament in his wrist, especially considering he's the bulls second most important player. it's just common sense that you might want to take it easy on him and play it safe. we're trying to make him last through the postseason and we're throwing him out there for 39 minutes a game so we can beat up on a bunch of bottom dwellars and pad our regular season record.

 

I never defended playing Deng as much as he's been played. I countered the idea that these injuries are Thibs' fault. Thibs could sit Deng for the rest of the season and it would still be a game by game issue/decision when it came to the playoffs and Deng's wrist.

[UMFan83]

For those that latch on to baseless internet rumors from random message board posters, there is lots of stuff floating around on RealGM rightn now condensed into this thread:

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

[ChiCubsFan]

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http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

[Banedon]

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http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

 

Boozer was kinda terribad against the Knicks. And I think Thibs has finally gotten fed up with Boozer's D.

[KingCubsFan]

 

Because what aggravates the pain most are things like him landing on it awkwardly or taking a shot to it and so on. Those are things that can happen if he plays 2 minutes or 40. Obviously playing less will decrease the chance of something like that, and he should be playing less even if the wrist wasn't an issue, but talking like simply playing less on its own somehow makes it better isn't accurate.

Do we even know what aggravates his wrist? Do simple things like shooting and dribbling also increase the pain? Either way, he shouldn't be playing more than 2 games a week until the playoff start, provided we can hold on to the #1 seed (which I think we can).

[UMFan83]

I think people (SSR) would laugh if they saw these trade offers. There is no way Sessions Boozer and the Bobcats pick is enough for Gasol. I don't even think Devin Harris is enough. If they are going to trade their event asset they're going to want a star back not an average NBA point guard and an undersized PF who has lost a step and converted from a low post player to a jump shooter and is among the worst defenders in the NBA.

[bcl412]

Rose and Deng likely out and a possible uninterested Boozer because he is now in trade discussions against Miami. I'm starting to think the Bulls could lose tonight.

[Banedon]

Rose and Deng likely out and a possible uninterested Boozer because he is now in trade discussions against Miami. I'm starting to think the Bulls could lose tonight.

 

KC says that Deng should play.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0314-bits-bulls-chicago--20120314,0,5640455.story

[ChiCubsFan]

For those that latch on to baseless internet rumors from random message board posters, there is lots of stuff floating around on RealGM rightn now condensed into this thread:

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

 

Boozer was kinda terribad against the Knicks. And I think Thibs has finally gotten fed up with Boozer's D.

 

He was in foul trouble all game. He didn't play too bad when he was out there.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Because what aggravates the pain most are things like him landing on it awkwardly or taking a shot to it and so on. Those are things that can happen if he plays 2 minutes or 40. Obviously playing less will decrease the chance of something like that, and he should be playing less even if the wrist wasn't an issue, but talking like simply playing less on its own somehow makes it better isn't accurate.

Do we even know what aggravates his wrist? Do simple things like shooting and dribbling also increase the pain? Either way, he shouldn't be playing more than 2 games a week until the playoff start, provided we can hold on to the #1 seed (which I think we can).

 

According to the team and Deng him doing pretty much anything involving that wrist causes him pain. Apparently the injury itself can't get any worse, but it also can't get any better without surgery, so sitting him that much really doesn't do anything besides giving him a break in general.

[RynoRules]

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http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

 

Where do I sign-off on that deal? Effectively Asik, Boozer and a pick for Gasol? Holy s--t.

[cubbyvirus00]

Rose and Deng likely out and a possible uninterested Boozer because he is now in trade discussions against Miami. I'm starting to think the Bulls could lose tonight.

 

KC says that Deng should play.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0314-bits-bulls-chicago--20120314,0,5640455.story

 

Lawrence Holmes on The Score has said 'Rose will play.' Dont know how solid that is.

[Banedon]

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http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

 

Boozer was kinda terribad against the Knicks. And I think Thibs has finally gotten fed up with Boozer's D.

 

He was in foul trouble all game. He didn't play too bad when he was out there.

 

He took 14 shots to get 15 points. He rebounded fine, but everybody on the Bulls was rebounding huge. And he was terrible with help defense. That's pretty standard now though.

[bcl412]

Rose and Deng likely out and a possible uninterested Boozer because he is now in trade discussions against Miami. I'm starting to think the Bulls could lose tonight.

 

KC says that Deng should play.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0314-bits-bulls-chicago--20120314,0,5640455.story

 

Lawrence Holmes on The Score has said 'Rose will play.' Dont know how solid that is.

 

That'd be nice. I was pretty much joking about Boozer. I don't think the trade talks are that serious myself.

[SouthSideRyan]

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http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

 

Where do I sign-off on that deal? Effectively Asik, Boozer and a pick for Gasol? Holy s--t.

 

You'd think Cleveland could just trade Sessions and Dan Gilbert's belly button lint instead.

[Old Style]

Why would Rose not play? Obviously I missed something.

[ConstableRabbit]

Why would Rose not play? Obviously I missed something.

He had an injury (believe it was groin). He was driving to the doctor when he was rearended.

[Banedon]

Why would Rose not play? Obviously I missed something.

 

Gimpy groin.

 

Had an MRI yesterday.

[ChiCubsFan]

I think people (SSR) would laugh if they saw these trade offers. There is no way Sessions Boozer and the Bobcats pick is enough for Gasol. I don't even think Devin Harris is enough. If they are going to trade their event asset they're going to want a star back not an average NBA point guard and an undersized PF who has lost a step and converted from a low post player to a jump shooter and is among the worst defenders in the NBA.

 

Sessions is very underrated. I'd rather have him than Harris, who may be worse than JL3.

[ChiCubsFan]

For those that latch on to baseless internet rumors from random message board posters, there is lots of stuff floating around on RealGM rightn now condensed into this thread:

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1168262&sid=e6608359dccd25ef13cc76876031adb6

 

Preview: Pau is pushing for a trade to Chicago, Bulls talking with Utah about trading players to them for Devin Harris who is added with Boozer and the Bobcats pick for a trade to LA for Gasol.

 

The chances of any of this being true is maybe 5% but oh well, what else are you going to talk about today?

 

Oh yeah that game against the Heat tonight. Well talk about this too!

 

I was thinking Asik to Cleveland for Sessions, who is then added to Boozer and the Bobcats pick for Gasol.

 

The way Boozer has been playing lately leaves me hesitant, but I still think I'd do it.

 

Boozer was kinda terribad against the Knicks. And I think Thibs has finally gotten fed up with Boozer's D.

 

He was in foul trouble all game. He didn't play too bad when he was out there.

 

He took 14 shots to get 15 points. He rebounded fine, but everybody on the Bulls was rebounding huge. And he was terrible with help defense. That's pretty standard now though.

 

14 shots to get 15 points isn't good but it's not terrible. Especially when you consider how he was in foul trouble all game and couldn't get in rhythm.

 

You really don't think Boozer has been playing better/fitting into the offense much better lately?

[Banedon]

14 shots to get 15 points isn't good but it's not terrible. Especially when you consider how he was in foul trouble all game and couldn't get in rhythm.

 

You really don't think Boozer has been playing better/fitting into the offense much better lately?

 

I think he has had good games. But I think he's had some bad games too. He's a guy that clearly has physical basketball talent, but good lord is he a dumb basketball player.

 

As an example, and admittedly this is based on my own opinion, from my couch...every time he should go up strong with the basketball, he goes layup or tries to softly put it up....but if he's in the lane and well guarded or somewhere that he actually needs to make a move, he'll plow into the guy for a charge. He's good for about 2 charges a game.

 

He ends up with ok to decent numbers most nights, but he's just so frustrating to watch.

[ChiCubsFan]

Why does everyone still act like Pau Gasol is an elite player? This year he has a lower eFG%, nearly identical TS%, and a slightly higher PER than Boozer.