Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread

[UMFan83]

the quotes make it sound like dwight is saying "i still don't want to be in chicago long-term, but i'll play with them through the rest of this season just to get out of orlando immediately".

 

i don't think the quotes mean much

 

Like I said, it opens the door ever so slightly. He's acknowledging Chicago is a destination he might end up in, and dispelling the 2 popular reasons for Dwight to not go to Chicago. I read it pretty much the same as you but considering how interested GarPax is in getting Howard (and they are very very interested), they will take any sort of positive comment about Chicago.

[davell]

David, you don't think Gasol's a bigtime addition for us?

[Theo]

With what we'd have to give up for Dwight, I'd probably rather get involved in the deal as a 3rd party and try and get Pau from LA. We send Deng to LA, Taj and picks to Orlando, La sends us Pau and gets Dwight, Orlando gets Bynum and picks from LA too. Yeah, it gives us a logjam at the 4 and 5, but it gives us a nice advantage over the Heat for this year. We'd need to find a starting 3 somewhere, but it could be done, especially if Asik is dealt. After the season's over, try and trade Boozer, if it can't be done, he's an amnesty candidate.

 

So you'd trade Deng, Taj and picks for Pau Gasol? I'm not sure what your motive is for that.

For me, it's about getting past Miami and I just don't think we've got an answer for Bosh. We're never going to have an answer for Lebron anyway, so I'm willing to concede Lebron dominating us, but Pau plays extremely well against Bosh and would be a legit second scorer for us. He's excellent defensively and he's probably the best passing big guy in the NBA. There's 96 minutes at 4/5, so you could go 36 with Pau and give Noah and Boozer about 30 each. Like I said, I'd trade Asik for a 3 at that point as well and if we have to sign someone to replace him, I'd go with Sheed(assuming he's in shape). It'd give us Noah, Pau, Boozer, and Sheed up front, with 3 being open to whatever we trade for and Korver as the backup, Hamilton and Brewer at the 2(maybe JR as well, if rumors are true) with Rose and CJ. I like that. Maybe Deng and Taj is enough to get Pau, without giving up picks on our end, but I kind of doubt it.

Rasheed Wallace hasn't played in the NBA in two years, and when he did he was awful.

[Theo]

And can we please stop underrating Deng? I did for a while, because I didn't think he's score effciently enough, but he's a huge part of this team and our best defensive player. I would argue he's the best defensive 3 in the league.

[davell]

And can we please stop underrating Deng? I did for a while, because I didn't think he's score effciently enough, but he's a huge part of this team and our best defensive player. I would argue he's the best defensive 3 in the league.

I'm not underrating Deng at all. But I'd much rather have Gasol as a legit 2nd option and a 3 we trade for(assuming it's possible obviously) than our current core. I just don't see this group being able to get past Miami.

[17 Seconds]

why can't this team get by miami? they're better than miami.

[bukie]

I'd much rather have Howard than Gasol. So much it shouldn't even really be a debate.

[davell]

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have Dwight than Gasol, but as Theo said, I don't see it happening. In fact, I agree with him that Bynum trumps anything we can offer. That said, I don't see Orlando "just" receiving Bynum from them and if they move Gasol, it's too much to give up and the Lakers are probably a worse team after making that deal. Deng fits them as well as he fits us, which is why I wondered about a deal like I proposed. Not to mention, I really see Dwight getting dealt before Noah even CAN be traded.

[davell]

why can't this team get by miami? they're better than miami.

I just think that Lebron guarding Rose at the end of games presents us with a huge problem that may not be fixable with this current group.(Rip getting and staying healthy could prove me wrong) Couple that with when they figure out Wade is their closer and Lebron isn't, they'll be better equipped as well. It seems they're hellbent on proving Lebron is an end of the game guy, but Wade is so much better, it's not even funny.

[seanimal]

bynum absolutely does not trump "anything we can offer". orlando is probably hoping for a combination of long-term and short-term players for the pleasure of sending along howard and turkoglu + parts. orlando is probably looking for a package of players that will allow them to be relatively competitive now and in the future. if they move howard for bynum, then that won't happen. the bulls are quite possibly the deepest team in the nba, and that means valuable assets.

 

again, i don't think the chances are particularly high for d12 to come to chicago, but the idea that it's definitely not going to happen is just posturing/trolling. the bulls have as much to offer to orlando as any of the teams on the "list".

 

and i don't think the bulls will make this deal unless he signs an extension

[17 Seconds]

why can't this team get by miami? they're better than miami.

I just think that Lebron guarding Rose at the end of games presents us with a huge problem that may not be fixable with this current group.(Rip getting and staying healthy could prove me wrong) Couple that with when they figure out Wade is their closer and Lebron isn't, they'll be better equipped as well. It seems they're hellbent on proving Lebron is an end of the game guy, but Wade is so much better, it's not even funny.

 

i think you're buying wayyy too much into the "lebron's defense shuts down rose!" stuff. that's really not an issue.

[Theo]

The Chicago Bulls cannot match what the Laker's offer. Bynum is healthy and playing like an all star this year. He is still 26 years old. Yeah, he has the injury history, but Noah hasn't been the picture of health either. Bynum is clearly a better asset at this point. Then you have Gasol, who, Orlando could either take, or Gasol could be spun off in a 3 way deal for younger players and assetts. And as for the Bulls, Deng, who was going to be a major chip for you, has a wrist that needs surgery. He's gutting it out now but is Orlando going to take on a player that is currently injured? It sure isn't going to help the cause.

 

Ok I'm done trolling.

[davell]

why can't this team get by miami? they're better than miami.

I just think that Lebron guarding Rose at the end of games presents us with a huge problem that may not be fixable with this current group.(Rip getting and staying healthy could prove me wrong) Couple that with when they figure out Wade is their closer and Lebron isn't, they'll be better equipped as well. It seems they're hellbent on proving Lebron is an end of the game guy, but Wade is so much better, it's not even funny.

 

i think you're buying wayyy too much into the "lebron's defense shuts down rose!" stuff. that's really not an issue.

Could be. I hope you're right for sure.

[Guest]

JOHN from RealGM, who has some sort of European ball contacts

 

Last night I spoke with a former retired teammate of Hidayet Turkoglu from Efes Pilsen.He said Hedo told him that he has been informed that Chicago could be a destination for him in March along with New Jersey and LA.Nothing about Dallas though.

[UMFan83]

JOHN from RealGM, who has some sort of European ball contacts

 

Last night I spoke with a former retired teammate of Hidayet Turkoglu from Efes Pilsen.He said Hedo told him that he has been informed that Chicago could be a destination for him in March along with New Jersey and LA.Nothing about Dallas though.

 

I'm assuming they are talking about Howard correct?

[UMFan83]

why can't this team get by miami? they're better than miami.

I just think that Lebron guarding Rose at the end of games presents us with a huge problem that may not be fixable with this current group.(Rip getting and staying healthy could prove me wrong) Couple that with when they figure out Wade is their closer and Lebron isn't, they'll be better equipped as well. It seems they're hellbent on proving Lebron is an end of the game guy, but Wade is so much better, it's not even funny.

 

Regarding the LeBron guarding Rose myth:

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1157074&sid=9af07aee78bb8762abfa661ce2f4c31f

 

Good stuff.

[Banedon]

Mark Shanowski (sp?) made a good point on CTL last night. Part of the problem with a Howard trade for the Bulls is the Deng injury. If he's traded to Orlando, what are the chances he says "well [expletive], I'm just gonna have surgery since I'm not playing for a championship now."

[CubColtPacer]

JOHN from RealGM, who has some sort of European ball contacts

 

Last night I spoke with a former retired teammate of Hidayet Turkoglu from Efes Pilsen.He said Hedo told him that he has been informed that Chicago could be a destination for him in March along with New Jersey and LA.Nothing about Dallas though.

 

I'm assuming they are talking about Howard correct?

 

Indirectly yes. Turkoglu seems to be the contract that the Magic are demanding anybody take as part of the Howard deal. That might depending on who was in the deal push the Bulls into the luxury tax this year, and if Howard stays they'll be struggling to stay under the luxury tax level in the future (amnestying Boozer would solve that, but then that's a lot of money that has to be paid to a player who's playing for another team).

[Soul]

Mark Shanowski (sp?) made a good point on CTL last night. Part of the problem with a Howard trade for the Bulls is the Deng injury. If he's traded to Orlando, what are the chances he says "well [expletive], I'm just gonna have surgery since I'm not playing for a championship now."

 

I don't know. How can a hypothetical like that factor into a trade though?

[Banedon]

Mark Shanowski (sp?) made a good point on CTL last night. Part of the problem with a Howard trade for the Bulls is the Deng injury. If he's traded to Orlando, what are the chances he says "well [expletive], I'm just gonna have surgery since I'm not playing for a championship now."

 

I don't know. How can a hypothetical like that factor into a trade though?

 

It's not hypothetical that he has a torn ligament in his wrist.

[RynoRules]

Do we even have the cap flexibility we would need to acquire Howard AND sign him to an extension? I seriously doubt that Gar goes for him without one.

[CubColtPacer]

Do we even have the cap flexibility we would need to acquire Howard AND sign him to an extension? I seriously doubt that Gar goes for him without one.

 

NBA is still a soft cap. As soon as Howard is on the team, the Bulls can sign him using their Bird rules (or they could do an extend and trade, but that has extra rules attached to it now). The issues are if the Bulls are willing to go into the luxury tax/how far are they willing to go, and what the rest of their plan is to build the team around the core of Rose/Howard with less picks and not much financial flexibility.

[SouthSideRyan]

bynum absolutely does not trump "anything we can offer". orlando is probably hoping for a combination of long-term and short-term players for the pleasure of sending along howard and turkoglu + parts. orlando is probably looking for a package of players that will allow them to be relatively competitive now and in the future. if they move howard for bynum, then that won't happen. the bulls are quite possibly the deepest team in the nba, and that means valuable assets.

 

again, i don't think the chances are particularly high for d12 to come to chicago, but the idea that it's definitely not going to happen is just posturing/trolling. the bulls have as much to offer to orlando as any of the teams on the "list".

 

and i don't think the bulls will make this deal unless he signs an extension

 

If Orlando wants short-term players they should probably keep Howard.

[Soul]

Mark Shanowski (sp?) made a good point on CTL last night. Part of the problem with a Howard trade for the Bulls is the Deng injury. If he's traded to Orlando, what are the chances he says "well [expletive], I'm just gonna have surgery since I'm not playing for a championship now."

 

I don't know. How can a hypothetical like that factor into a trade though?

 

It's not hypothetical that he has a torn ligament in his wrist.

 

No, but it's guesswork to say what he'd do about it with a different team before the move even happens. I guess you could ask him.

[UMFan83]

Mark Shanowski (sp?) made a good point on CTL last night. Part of the problem with a Howard trade for the Bulls is the Deng injury. If he's traded to Orlando, what are the chances he says "well [expletive], I'm just gonna have surgery since I'm not playing for a championship now."

 

I don't know. How can a hypothetical like that factor into a trade though?

 

It's not hypothetical that he has a torn ligament in his wrist.

 

No, but it's guesswork to say what he'd do about it with a different team before the move even happens. I guess you could ask him.

 

I'm not sure why Orlando would care all that much. I don't necessarily think the Magic are worried about competing this year if they trade Howard. If anything they would be all for it so he is healthy to start next year.