CONFIRMED: CUBS GET SOLER!!! 9yrs/30 mill

[davell]

To me, if we trade Dempster, we may move into the back end of some top 10 systems in baseball arguments. If we trade Garza and LaHair on top of that, we're easily in, possibly towards top 5.

[bukie]

Thoughts from various message boards:

GRB: 3.3M AAV is not a bad gamble to see if the guy works out.

BF.net: Wish the Brewers had gotten involved in the bidding

SOSH: Theo!!! *shakes fist*

WSI: Soler is an anagram for "loser" so he'll fit right in.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Thoughts from various message boards:

GRB: 3.3M AAV is not a bad gamble to see if the guy works out.

BF.net: Wish the Brewers had gotten involved in the bidding

SOSH: Theo!!! *shakes fist*

WSI: Soler is an anagram for "loser" so he'll fit right in.

 

Tried not to, but I lol'd

[jersey cubs fan]

To me, if we trade Dempster, we may move into the back end of some top 10 systems in baseball arguments. If we trade Garza and LaHair on top of that, we're easily in, possibly towards top 5.

 

One of these things, is not like the others...

[Smack]

Thoughts from various message boards:

GRB: 3.3M AAV is not a bad gamble to see if the guy works out.

BF.net: Wish the Brewers had gotten involved in the bidding

SOSH: Theo!!! *shakes fist*

WSI: Soler is an anagram for "loser" so he'll fit right in.

 

Tried not to, but I lol'd

 

yeah, that was pretty good

[Rizzo Smash]

Thoughts from various message boards:

GRB: 3.3M AAV is not a bad gamble to see if the guy works out.

BF.net: Wish the Brewers had gotten involved in the bidding

SOSH: Theo!!! *shakes fist*

WSI: Soler is an anagram for "loser" so he'll fit right in.

Needs more coke snorting.

[davell]

To me, if we trade Dempster, we may move into the back end of some top 10 systems in baseball arguments. If we trade Garza and LaHair on top of that, we're easily in, possibly towards top 5.

 

One of these things, is not like the others...

 

Yeah, I know. But with the lack of bats likely to show up on the market, I do think we could net a surprising return for him.

[jersey cubs fan]

To me, if we trade Dempster, we may move into the back end of some top 10 systems in baseball arguments. If we trade Garza and LaHair on top of that, we're easily in, possibly towards top 5.

 

One of these things, is not like the others...

 

Yeah, I know. But with the lack of bats likely to show up on the market, I do think we could net a surprising return for him.

 

You shouldn't be surprised to get a live human for him. But the return won't move the team from top ten to top 5.

[davell]

To me, if we trade Dempster, we may move into the back end of some top 10 systems in baseball arguments. If we trade Garza and LaHair on top of that, we're easily in, possibly towards top 5.

 

One of these things, is not like the others...

 

Yeah, I know. But with the lack of bats likely to show up on the market, I do think we could net a surprising return for him.

 

You shouldn't be surprised to get a live human for him. But the return won't move the team from top ten to top 5.

 

I'm aware. Didn't say trading him alone would do that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to move up the upper-ends of the farm system rankings. Adding a bunch of nice guys to the back end of your top-10 isn't enough.

[Rizzo Smash]

Source: Soler can earn significantly more than $30 million

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/source_soler_can_earn_significantly_more_than_30_million/10989137?new_post=true

Once Soler becomes eligible for salary arbitration, he will have the right to choose arbitration instead of the annual salaries specified by his contract, according to a major-league source.

In other words, if Soler develops into a productive major leaguer, he can opt out of the financial terms of his deal and negotiate even better salaries with the Cubs.

Soler, 20, is likely to begin his career in Single A. He could be several years away from the majors. The year-by-year breakdown of his salaries is not yet known.

But if, for example, Soler made his major-league debut in 2015, he would become eligible for arbitration for the 2018 season. If he figured to receive a higher salary in arbitration than the number mandated by his contract, he would simply choose arbitration.

On the other hand, Soler will be protected if he does not develop as expected, drawing the annual salaries that he negotiated into his deal – and getting no less than $30 million either way.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

^ That makes a lot of sense, actually. The guaranteed $30 million gives him a nice floor, but the arbitration process will still make him a bargain if he hits his ceiling.

[bukie]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1101/mlb_a_hoyer_gb1_576.jpg

 

I am still nowhere near used to that.

[MWV]

Source: Soler can earn significantly more than $30 million

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/source_soler_can_earn_significantly_more_than_30_million/10989137?new_post=true

 

If he opts out and enters arbitration, that likely means that the Cubs have a 25ish YO stud corner OF on their hands. I have no problem with paying arb money to productive players in their mid twenties.

[Banedon]

@BradleyAnkrom: When the (reported) nine-year deal for Soler ends, the Mets will still have 14 more years of paying Bobby Bonilla.

 

lol Mets.

This is sarcasm, right?

 

Why would it be sarcasm? I don't want to live in a world where I can't laugh at the Mets money management.

[jersey cubs fan]

^ That makes a lot of sense, actually. The guaranteed $30 million gives him a nice floor, but the arbitration process will still make him a bargain if he hits his ceiling.

 

It probably won't make him a bargain. But it's not about bargains, it's about getting productivity.

[bukie]

@BradleyAnkrom: When the (reported) nine-year deal for Soler ends, the Mets will still have 14 more years of paying Bobby Bonilla.

 

lol Mets.

This is sarcasm, right?

 

Why would it be sarcasm? I don't want to live in a world where I can't laugh at the Mets money management.

And no, it's not sarcasm. The Mets are paying Bonilla through 2035 (and Saberhagen through 2029). They structured their contracts that way so they could afford to sign Mike Hampton to his ridiculous contract in 1999 (and later pay him to play decently for other teams).

[Banedon]

@BradleyAnkrom: When the (reported) nine-year deal for Soler ends, the Mets will still have 14 more years of paying Bobby Bonilla.

 

lol Mets.

This is sarcasm, right?

 

Why would it be sarcasm? I don't want to live in a world where I can't laugh at the Mets money management.

And no, it's not sarcasm. The Mets are paying Bonilla through 2035 (and Saberhagen through 2029). They structured their contracts that way so they could afford to sign Mike Hampton to his ridiculous contract in 1999 (and later pay him to play decently for other teams).

 

Right...was that what he thought was sarcasm? I misunderstood then.

[bukie]

And no, it's not sarcasm. The Mets are paying Bonilla through 2035 (and Saberhagen through 2029). They structured their contracts that way so they could afford to sign Mike Hampton to his ridiculous contract in 1999 (and later pay him to play decently for other teams).

 

Right...was that what he thought was sarcasm? I misunderstood then.

Anyway, lol Mets.

[davell]

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to move up the upper-ends of the farm system rankings. Adding a bunch of nice guys to the back end of your top-10 isn't enough.

 

If you look at what some teams will be graduating, it makes it a bit easier to project. The Blue Jays, Pads, Rangers, and Cards are probably the top 4 at the end of the season. Other teams with good systems are Red Sox, Rays, Braves, A's, DBacks, Pirates, Royals, and Mariners. Without going through each one, the returns we could get for those 3 guys could vault us past each one, factoring in graduations and the seasons some of the players involved are having. As I said, I figure Rizzo is our only big prospect I expect to lose eligibility for us.

[bukie]

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to move up the upper-ends of the farm system rankings. Adding a bunch of nice guys to the back end of your top-10 isn't enough.

 

If you look at what some teams will be graduating, it makes it a bit easier to project. The Blue Jays, Pads, Rangers, and Cards are probably the top 4 at the end of the season. Other teams with good systems are Red Sox, Rays, Braves, A's, DBacks, Pirates, Royals, and Mariners. Without going through each one, the returns we could get for those 3 guys could vault us past each one, factoring in graduations and the seasons some of the players involved are having. As I said, I figure Rizzo is our only big prospect I expect to lose eligibility for us.

Brett Jackson, possibly, as well.

[TheDude]

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to move up the upper-ends of the farm system rankings. Adding a bunch of nice guys to the back end of your top-10 isn't enough.

Not disputing the point about moving up the rankings, but the Cubs have done more than pad the back-end of the top 10 under the new FO already, without considering returns for this year's trades. With the trades we should expect a dramatic change. In you do a top 10 list comparison from August 2011 to August 2012, there should be significant differences including up to 1.

[davell]

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to move up the upper-ends of the farm system rankings. Adding a bunch of nice guys to the back end of your top-10 isn't enough.

 

If you look at what some teams will be graduating, it makes it a bit easier to project. The Blue Jays, Pads, Rangers, and Cards are probably the top 4 at the end of the season. Other teams with good systems are Red Sox, Rays, Braves, A's, DBacks, Pirates, Royals, and Mariners. Without going through each one, the returns we could get for those 3 guys could vault us past each one, factoring in graduations and the seasons some of the players involved are having. As I said, I figure Rizzo is our only big prospect I expect to lose eligibility for us.

Brett Jackson, possibly, as well.

 

I don't see Brett getting more than a September callup at this point, unless his K rate cuts down majorly over the next month or so. Nor do I see him losing much in major outlet prospect rankings either though, so he helps our cause, in this scenario, by not getting the required PA.

[CubColtPacer]

And no, it's not sarcasm. The Mets are paying Bonilla through 2035 (and Saberhagen through 2029). They structured their contracts that way so they could afford to sign Mike Hampton to his ridiculous contract in 1999 (and later pay him to play decently for other teams).

 

The Mets were able to trade for Hampton with some of the money that they saved from buying out Bonilla, but they didn't sign him to that ridiculous contract. Hampton signed that deal when he bolted for Colorado the next year.

[Tyrant]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1101/mlb_a_hoyer_gb1_576.jpg

 

I am still nowhere near used to that.

 

So. Much. Handsome.