Joe Paterno

[wade]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

 

It's consistent with other reports- I think you're thrown off by the "two days after the report" portion. That is referring to two days after the Grand Jury Indictment was made public, I think.

 

What is new to me is that it appears Paterno is trying to indicate that he stopped McQueary's story in his office with something along the lines of- "this is a big deal, you need to go to the A.D. I don't need to hear any more."

 

That's how I interpreted it.

 

I thought the timeline was:

 

DDay = rape

DDay+1 = McQueary tells Paterno

DDay+2 = Paterno tells AD/Pres

DDay+12 = AD/Pres interview McQueary

 

This timeline appears to be similar until DDay + 2, as there is no Paterno tells anybody anything because he put his fingers in his ears and told McQueary to talk to the AD/Pres.

 

Yeah, I'm confused on DDay + 2 because it's not mentioned in the link in Southside's post, but Paterno issuing a statement two days after the indictment came out is.

 

I thought I'd also seen where DDay + 2 was Paterno and McQueary telling to the AD.

 

While that's confusing, as someone else just posted, one of the main points re: Paterno is what/how much McQueary told him and where did it start getting watered down if McQueary was indeed graphic in his description. With the Department of Education getting involved, that whole string of events may be made known eventually.

 

EDIT- muddled post is still muddled

[wolf stansson]

Jesus christ, stop calling it D-Day. Day of days does not jive with kids getting raped and the chain of communication that followed it. It's unsettling for some reason.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jesus christ, stop calling it D-Day. Day of days does not jive with kids getting raped and the chain of communication that followed it. It's unsettling for some reason.

 

sorry, just trying to make it less confusing.

 

how about R Day?

[Magnetic Curses]

Pretty damning story for any JoePa/coaching staff apologists still out there:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

 

Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.

 

And what did McQueary say?

 

We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”

 

According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.

 

Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.

 

Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.

 

That meeting did not happen for 10 days.

 

proves that this was not just a momentary lapse of reason by an incontinent old man, it was a cover-up from the beginning.

[Guest]

The true head scratcher is how a major university thought that that they could simply sweep a bunch of child rape under the rug without anyone noticing. That they have gotten away with it for this long is asinine.

[Warpticon]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

 

Actually, no. The grand jury report Is McQueary to Paterno Saturday, Paterno to Curley Sunday, Curley and Schultz to McQueary 10 days later, Curley and Schultz to Spanier some indefinite time frame after that.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Warpticon

[erik316wttn]

I wonder if McQueary was himself a victim of Sandusky at one point, seeing as he has known the man since he was a young boy.

 

Also, has the NCAA issued a statement on this, or are they more concerned making sure kids don't get free shoes?

[ConstableRabbit]

I wonder if McQueary was himself a victim of Sandusky at one point, seeing as he has known the man since he was a young boy.

 

Also, has the NCAA issued a statement on this, or are they more concerned making sure kids don't get free shoes?

WHAT IF MCQUEARY IS VICTIM 2?!?!?!?

 

 

 

DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[erik316wttn]

I wonder if McQueary was himself a victim of Sandusky at one point, seeing as he has known the man since he was a young boy.

 

Also, has the NCAA issued a statement on this, or are they more concerned making sure kids don't get free shoes?

WHAT IF MCQUEARY IS VICTIM 2?!?!?!?

 

 

 

DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

ZOMG!!

[SouthSideRyan]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

 

Actually, no. The grand jury report Is McQueary to Paterno Saturday, Paterno to Curley Sunday, Curley and Schultz to McQueary 10 days later, Curley and Schultz to Spanier some indefinite time frame after that.

 

Oops, you're right, was working from memory.

[jersey cubs fan]

The true head scratcher is how a major university thought that that they could simply sweep a bunch of child rape under the rug without anyone noticing. That they have gotten away with it for this long is asinine.

 

Something Franceca said was about how so many people at Penn State are all about Penn State and have always been at Penn State. Unlike many schools that strive for blending outsiders into their system to bring many viewpoints, Penn Staters are all proud about how many of them have always been Penn Staters and always will be. They take pride in their insularity. I'm guessing people who have always had full control of their little island don't think too much about how things can't always be contained.

[wolf stansson]

The true head scratcher is how a major university thought that that they could simply sweep a bunch of child rape under the rug without anyone noticing. That they have gotten away with it for this long is asinine.

 

Something Franceca said was about how so many people at Penn State are all about Penn State and have always been at Penn State. Unlike many schools that strive for blending outsiders into their system to bring many viewpoints, Penn Staters are all proud about how many of them have always been Penn Staters and always will be. They take pride in their insularity. I'm guessing people who have always had full control of their little island don't think too much about how things can't always be contained.

Cultish.

[Guest]

The true head scratcher is how a major university thought that that they could simply sweep a bunch of child rape under the rug without anyone noticing. That they have gotten away with it for this long is asinine.

 

Something Franceca said was about how so many people at Penn State are all about Penn State and have always been at Penn State. Unlike many schools that strive for blending outsiders into their system to bring many viewpoints, Penn Staters are all proud about how many of them have always been Penn Staters and always will be. They take pride in their insularity. I'm guessing people who have always had full control of their little island don't think too much about how things can't always be contained.

 

And I can totally buy into the bubble of protection for certain things and I'm sure it happens at every university in some capacity, like boosters using contributions to convince talented students to come to their school. But, we are talking about victims of inhumane sex crimes, and not just a couple. Maybe they honestly only thought it was one or two with the way it was reported to them, but hiding one is all it takes. Ugh.

[TruffleShuffle]

Pretty damning story for any JoePa/coaching staff apologists still out there:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

 

Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.

 

And what did McQueary say?

 

We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”

 

According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.

 

Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.

 

Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.

 

That meeting did not happen for 10 days.

 

Not really, there's almost no new info in this story. It's an excellent summary and this newspaper is one of the few that has journalistically done a good job with the story, but almost all of this stuff was reported previously.

[treebird]

Pretty damning story for any JoePa/coaching staff apologists still out there:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

 

Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.

 

And what did McQueary say?

 

We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”

 

According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.

 

Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.

 

Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.

 

That meeting did not happen for 10 days.

 

Not really, there's almost no new info in this story. It's an excellent summary and this newspaper is one of the few that has journalistically done a good job with the story, but almost all of this stuff was reported previously.

 

completely honest question: is there any sort of penn state blog or message board that you are following that has the same mindset as you? a lot of your arguments are very similar to those being made by a penn state alum friend of mine (those yours are way watered down versions of his, he is "losing his mind" angry about this). i was just wondering if there was something out there that you might both be reading.

[SouthSideRyan]

BTF was referencing blackshoediaries' forum as a place that seemed to have an even more pro JoePa stance than Truffle.

[jersey cubs fan]

BTF was referencing blackshoediaries' forum as a place that seemed to have an even more pro JoePa stance than Truffle.

 

From blackshoediaries:

I think it's important to understand Joe's perspective on this, using the facts we know and not assumptions we're making in understanding his alleged in-actions.

 

Joe had had a long, close relationship with Mike and likely, his father. Mike was his QB, and then a GA. He was not some stranger, or a mere acquaintance. Mike's father was a doctor who lived in State College, who I'm sure Joe had also met more than a few times. Joe had no reason to believe Mike or Mike's father would not know how to handle seeing a rape of a child on their own, or that they would not respond appropriately by going to the police immediately.

 

The McQuery's and went to Joe's house the morning after the incident. He was clearly shaken and uncomfortable, but also was not clear with Joe about what he saw. But whatever he saw or thought he saw - it apparently did not warrant Mike and his father going to the police immediately. Again, Joe has no reason to believe Mike and his father would not have gone to the police directly had what Mike seen been serious enough to warrant it.

 

So now the story is if those guys didn't go to the cops Joe had no reason to think he should have. In other words, the face of Penn State football took his cues on how to react to this situation based on how a graduate assistant reacted and since he didn't do a whole lot, Joe figured he had no reason to do much either.

[treebird]

BTF was referencing blackshoediaries' forum as a place that seemed to have an even more pro JoePa stance than Truffle.

 

From blackshoediaries:

I think it's important to understand Joe's perspective on this, using the facts we know and not assumptions we're making in understanding his alleged in-actions.

 

Joe had had a long, close relationship with Mike and likely, his father. Mike was his QB, and then a GA. He was not some stranger, or a mere acquaintance. Mike's father was a doctor who lived in State College, who I'm sure Joe had also met more than a few times. Joe had no reason to believe Mike or Mike's father would not know how to handle seeing a rape of a child on their own, or that they would not respond appropriately by going to the police immediately.

 

The McQuery's and went to Joe's house the morning after the incident. He was clearly shaken and uncomfortable, but also was not clear with Joe about what he saw. But whatever he saw or thought he saw - it apparently did not warrant Mike and his father going to the police immediately. Again, Joe has no reason to believe Mike and his father would not have gone to the police directly had what Mike seen been serious enough to warrant it.

 

So now the story is if those guys didn't go to the cops Joe had no reason to think he should have.

 

yeah, there is a lot of really pathetic stuff over there. i'm confident my friend is reading it.

 

the best thing my friend has said so far is that paterno getting fired has shaken his belief in due process and the american jury system. the best part? he's a licensed attorney.

[wolf stansson]

the best thing my friend has said so far is that paterno getting fired has shaken his belief in due process and the american jury system. the best part? he's a licensed attorney.

People's capacity for real bias is fascinating.

[E.J.]

Penn State had its first recruit de-commit. A 4-star offensive lineman. I'm sure many will follow.

[radarluv1]

BTF was referencing blackshoediaries' forum as a place that seemed to have an even more pro JoePa stance than Truffle.

 

From blackshoediaries:

I think it's important to understand Joe's perspective on this, using the facts we know and not assumptions we're making in understanding his alleged in-actions.

 

Joe had had a long, close relationship with Mike and likely, his father. Mike was his QB, and then a GA. He was not some stranger, or a mere acquaintance. Mike's father was a doctor who lived in State College, who I'm sure Joe had also met more than a few times. Joe had no reason to believe Mike or Mike's father would not know how to handle seeing a rape of a child on their own, or that they would not respond appropriately by going to the police immediately.

 

The McQuery's and went to Joe's house the morning after the incident. He was clearly shaken and uncomfortable, but also was not clear with Joe about what he saw. But whatever he saw or thought he saw - it apparently did not warrant Mike and his father going to the police immediately. Again, Joe has no reason to believe Mike and his father would not have gone to the police directly had what Mike seen been serious enough to warrant it.

 

So now the story is if those guys didn't go to the cops Joe had no reason to think he should have.

 

yeah, there is a lot of really pathetic stuff over there. i'm confident my friend is reading it.

 

the best thing my friend has said so far is that paterno getting fired has shaken his belief in due process and the american jury system. the best part? he's a licensed attorney.

Its significant that GA McQueary's dad is a doctor. If he is a physician than he is (at least in IL or MO) mandated by law to go to the police if child endangerment is even suspected, even if the victim isn't his patient. The law doesnt say "go report it to someone important in town."

[ConstableRabbit]

Pretty damning story for any JoePa/coaching staff apologists still out there:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

 

Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.

 

And what did McQueary say?

 

We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”

 

According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.

 

Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.

 

Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.

 

That meeting did not happen for 10 days.

 

Not really, there's almost no new info in this story. It's an excellent summary and this newspaper is one of the few that has journalistically done a good job with the story, but almost all of this stuff was reported previously.

I meant it was damning in the sense that, if you're still a JoePa apologist after reading, you're an idiot

[Old Style]

Pretty damning story for any JoePa/coaching staff apologists still out there:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

 

Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.

 

And what did McQueary say?

 

We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”

 

According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.

 

Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.

 

Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.

 

That meeting did not happen for 10 days.

 

Not really, there's almost no new info in this story. It's an excellent summary and this newspaper is one of the few that has journalistically done a good job with the story, but almost all of this stuff was reported previously.

I meant it was damning in the sense that, if you're still a JoePa apologist after reading, you're an idiot

lol

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5858414/10-things-that-are-still-happy-about-happy-valley

 

Deadspin tries to get past the recent string of bad news by listing some still happy things about happy valley.

 

5. The Local Weather Reports Must Be Very Accurate Because AccuWeather Is Based There

According to AccuWeather, the company's State College headquarters are "home to the greatest number of forecast meteorologists in one location anywhere in the world." If it's going to rain in Happy Valley, you will definitely be made aware of it beforehand, and you can plan ahead and bring an umbrella.

[jersey cubs fan]

espn running a breaking news ticker that mcqueary was placed on administrative leave, not sure if that's indication that they are planning on firing him eventually or just getting him away from things.