Joe Paterno

[BeerHere]

We don't have enough evidence to know which of the three it is, but No. 2 sounds awfully plausible to me.

 

Not reporting it immediately to law enforcement is reprehensible in my opinion, but I can't even fathom how much of a dirtbag he is if he covered it up.

Agreed

[TruffleShuffle]

guys, I'm sure he didn't literally laugh out loud.

 

And Paterno didn't literally enable a child rapist, and there isn't literally a plausible case that Paterno actively covered up for him by downgrading the seriousness of the allegations when he reported it to the AD and President.

 

Oh wait, those are both literally true.

 

Your account of what's gone on here is literally wrong.

[erik316wttn]

This is way worse. Penn State football should be thankful if it avoids the death penalty here.

 

lol

 

I know, I know, your football coach, AD and president let a predatory pedofile wander around with only a token attempt to stop him from his continued molestation and rape of children. That's not really *that* bad, is it?

 

Most of it has nothing to do with football or the football program. there is no cause to even be punished by the NCAA, so yes, your statement was comical.

 

If this is true, I don't understand how "crimes committed within a football facility and covered up by the University" does not fall under NCAA jurisdiction.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Most of it has nothing to do with football or the football program. there is no cause to even be punished by the NCAA, so yes, your statement was comical.

 

A child was raped by a former football coach in the football facility's shower room.

 

A graduate assistant in the football program, the football head coach and the athletic director at best passively allowed this man to continue his predatory rape and abuse of children, and possibly helped cover it up. This man continued to have access to the football facilities.

 

But this has nothing to do with the football program.

[jersey cubs fan]

This is way worse. Penn State football should be thankful if it avoids the death penalty here.

 

lol

 

I know, I know, your football coach, AD and president let a predatory pedofile wander around with only a token attempt to stop him from his continued molestation and rape of children. That's not really *that* bad, is it?

 

Most of it has nothing to do with football or the football program. there is no cause to even be punished by the NCAA, so yes, your statement was comical.

 

All of it has a lot to do with the football program.

[jersey cubs fan]

The apologists in the Linc parking lot last night had a much more level headed view of this situation than truffle.

[BeerHere]

guys, I'm sure he didn't literally laugh out loud.

 

And Paterno didn't literally enable a child rapist, and there isn't literally a plausible case that Paterno actively covered up for him by downgrading the seriousness of the allegations when he reported it to the AD and President.

 

Oh wait, those are both literally true.

 

Your account of what's gone on here is literally wrong.

Truffle -- are you a PSU fan/alum/booster? An honest question from me, just trying to get some perspective here. I don't see anything inaccurate with what he stated above. All of this is alleged to have happened and he is innocent until proven guilty, but an 8th person has now come forward. The evidence is mounting and it isn't looking good. I agree with you that the football program isn't going to be reprimanded but even a booster or alum can't hide from the fact that some of this took place on university property by a university employee. There is some culpability there from a PSU standpoint, though I don't know what it is.

[TruffleShuffle]

This is way worse. Penn State football should be thankful if it avoids the death penalty here.

 

lol

 

I know, I know, your football coach, AD and president let a predatory pedofile wander around with only a token attempt to stop him from his continued molestation and rape of children. That's not really *that* bad, is it?

 

And they let him use his reputation, which was gained completely thru his connection to PSU, to do it. It's really a funny situation.

 

Don't have your posts be even bigger idiots than they usually are. Obviously I was laughing at kyle's reaction and not the fact that sexual abuse occurred.

 

Anyway, the football coach of the program you support is a murderer, so I'd drop the holier than thou act.

[SouthSideRyan]

Manslaughterer.

 

He also didn't bury the body underneath the JAC.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Don't have your posts be even bigger idiots than they usually are. Obviously I was laughing at kyle's reaction and not the fact that sexual abuse occurred.

 

Anyway, the football coach of the program you support is a murderer, so I'd drop the holier than thou act.

 

Okay, death penalty for both of them. Win-win.

[erik316wttn]

Fight fight fight fight....

[Guest]

Truffle, if all you're going to offer to these topics is venom towards the people who are justifiably angry at this situation, and to find wording to nitpick to make sure that people are angry, but not too angry, I'm going to have to ask you to just not participate. Because all that's going to happen is escalating tempers, and I can tell you the consequences probably won't fall on the side of the 99% of the community that is outraged at the child rape scandal at PSU.

[erik316wttn]

All I'd like to know is Truffle's reasoning on why he thinks crimes committed within athletic facilities and covered up by the University does not fall under NCAA jurisdiction.

[Tracer Bullet]

This is way worse. Penn State football should be thankful if it avoids the death penalty here.

 

lol

 

I know, I know, your football coach, AD and president let a predatory pedofile wander around with only a token attempt to stop him from his continued molestation and rape of children. That's not really *that* bad, is it?

 

And they let him use his reputation, which was gained completely thru his connection to PSU, to do it. It's really a funny situation.

 

Don't have your posts be even bigger idiots than they usually are. Obviously I was laughing at kyle's reaction and not the fact that sexual abuse occurred.

 

Anyway, the football coach of the program you support is a murderer, so I'd drop the holier than thou act.

 

Ah yes, there it is. You held back awhile, but ran out of anything else to deflect to so you call me (I'm sorry, my posts) an idiot and then bring up ND.

 

I'm not holier than anyone else in this thread that is disgusted by JoePa's inaction. My reactions and posts have been in line with everyone else's...except yours. So yeah, I'm the idiot bad guy.

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't see anything inaccurate with what he stated above.

 

there isn't literally a plausible case that Paterno actively covered up for him by downgrading the seriousness of the allegations when he reported it to the AD and President.

 

(a) he didn't report it to the AD and the president. he reported it verbally to the AD, who along with another administrator interviewed the grad assistant (mcqueary). they subsequently spoke to the president.

 

(b) paterno has said that he didn't know the exact nature of the sexual abuse, which seems logical to me - when you're talking to a conservative old man/coaching icon, do you tell him that you saw inappropriate sexual contact between sandusky and a minor, or do you tell him that you saw sandusky anally penetrating a young boy? i suspect it is the former, which is what paterno testified to in front of the grand jury. neither mcqueary nor curley has claimed that paterno knew more than what he let on. what kyle said above (about downgrading the seriousness of the allegations) is just making [expletive] up that is based on nothing whatsoever.

[jersey cubs fan]

you got to protect the brand

[TruffleShuffle]

99% of the community that is outraged at the child rape scandal at PSU.

 

who is the 1% of the community that isn't outraged about it? i'm disappointed in those people.

[Guest]

Yes, that was the important tidbit from that post.

[BeerHere]

I don't see anything inaccurate with what he stated above.

 

there isn't literally a plausible case that Paterno actively covered up for him by downgrading the seriousness of the allegations when he reported it to the AD and President.

 

(a) he didn't report it to the AD and the president. he reported it verbally to the AD, who along with another administrator interviewed the grad assistant (mcqueary). they subsequently spoke to the president.

 

(b) paterno has said that he didn't know the exact nature of the sexual abuse, which seems logical to me - when you're talking to a conservative old man/coaching icon, do you tell him that you saw inappropriate sexual contact between sandusky and a minor, or do you tell him that you saw sandusky anally penetrating a young boy? i suspect it is the former, which is what paterno testified to in front of the grand jury. neither mcqueary nor curley has claimed that paterno knew more than what he let on. what kyle said above (about downgrading the seriousness of the allegations) is just making [expletive] up that is based on nothing whatsoever.

 

You didn't answer my question about your affiliation (or lack thereof) with PSU.

 

Regarding point a -- no one in the university thought to involve the police at any point. That includes Paterno. The people that have been charged to date are alleged to have perjured themselves. That alone implies a level of deceit.

 

b -- is pure speculation on your part.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't see anything inaccurate with what he stated above.

 

there isn't literally a plausible case that Paterno actively covered up for him by downgrading the seriousness of the allegations when he reported it to the AD and President.

 

(a) he didn't report it to the AD and the president. he reported it verbally to the AD, who along with another administrator interviewed the grad assistant (mcqueary). they subsequently spoke to the president.

 

(b) paterno has said that he didn't know the exact nature of the sexual abuse, which seems logical to me - when you're talking to a conservative old man/coaching icon, do you tell him that you saw inappropriate sexual contact between sandusky and a minor, or do you tell him that you saw sandusky anally penetrating a young boy? i suspect it is the former, which is what paterno testified to in front of the grand jury. neither mcqueary nor curley has claimed that paterno knew more than what he let on. what kyle said above (about downgrading the seriousness of the allegations) is just making [expletive] up that is based on nothing whatsoever.

 

 

You're right on point A, I apologize. I get a little sick of reading the grand jury report so I was going from memory on that one.

 

On point B, that's one possible explanation. In the eyes of anyone who isn't a fan of PSU, it's the least plausible one, but that's fine. The explanation I presented is equally possible and seems a lot more plausible to me.

 

Assuming the grand jury report is true, then it is indisputable that in the game of telephone from GA > Coach > Higher-ups, the description of the incident became euphamized. There are only two points in the chain that it could have happened. We have no evidence for either, only speculation, but that leaves a 50% chance that what happened is the version that makes Paterno an actively terrible person instead of just a negligently terrible person.

Edited November 8, 2011 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Tracer Bullet]

Truffle, if all you're going to offer to these topics is venom towards the people who are justifiably angry at this situation, and to find wording to nitpick to make sure that people are angry, but not too angry, I'm going to have to ask you to just not participate. Because all that's going to happen is escalating tempers, and I can tell you the consequences probably won't fall on the side of the 99% of the community that is outraged at the child rape scandal at PSU.

[TruffleShuffle]

All I'd like to know is Truffle's reasoning on why he thinks crimes committed within athletic facilities and covered up by the University does not fall under NCAA jurisdiction.

 

it's a former football coach (not a current one, which is important) and the two people accused of crimes are the athletic director (who oversees the football program, but is not a part of it) and another administrator not connected at all to the football program. there is a third person who arguably may be held legally accountable, the school president, who again is not part of the football program. after this occurred, sandusky was banned from bringing kids to the football facilities (it's believed that he did take a kid years later to a football practice, but there's no evidence that further sexual abuse occurred on campus).

 

clearly the response (to simply bar him from football facilities) was inadequate, but it's not really similar to the case where the active head basketball coach at baylor was making tuition payments for active players, covering up false drug tests, committing recruiting violations and then lying about the circumstances of a player's murder. that falls much more under the realm of ncaa guidelines than a head coach and grad assistant who fulfilled their legal obligation to report an incident involving a former coach using football facilities, but (many argue) failed their responsibilities in a moral sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

he was diddling kids long before he became a former coach.

[pitchcs]

I think PSU football is gonna feel this one without any help from the NCAA

[erik316wttn]

All I'd like to know is Truffle's reasoning on why he thinks crimes committed within athletic facilities and covered up by the University does not fall under NCAA jurisdiction.

 

it's a former football coach (not a current one, which is important) and the two people accused of crimes are the athletic director (who oversees the football program, but is not a part of it) and another administrator not connected at all to the football program. there is a third person who arguably may be held legally accountable, the school president, who again is not part of the football program. after this occurred, sandusky was banned from bringing kids to the football facilities (it's believed that he did take a kid years later to a football practice, but there's no evidence that further sexual abuse occurred on campus).

 

clearly the response (to simply bar him from football facilities) was inadequate, but it's not really similar to the case where the active head basketball coach at baylor was making tuition payments for active players, covering up false drug tests, committing recruiting violations and then lying about the circumstances of a player's murder. that falls much more under the realm of ncaa guidelines than a head coach and grad assistant who fulfilled their legal obligation to report an incident involving a former coach using football facilities, but (many argue) failed their responsibilities in a moral sense.

 

I understand your logic here except for the part where, once informed, the people who were told did not call the police, and therefore allowed more crimes to happen due to their inactivity. That alone should be enough.