Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Banedon]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

No.

Then you're contradicting yourself. You're arguing the Sox' price (compensation) for Epstein depends on how the Cubs are going to use him. Why should it?

 

Because cars aren't jobs and it was a terrible analogy?

 

I'm promoting my car to a truck.

[mul21]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

Only if the car is getting promoted to a 4 wheel drive truck.

 

I just don't understand how you don't get this. It's the same thing as an NFL coordinator being allowed to interview for a head coaching job. There's NEVER any compensation when a promotion is involved. In fact, the only time permission is even considered to be an issue is in a parallel move, which we've clearly determined is not the case here.

[Guest]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

No.

Then you're contradicting yourself. You're arguing the Sox' price (compensation) for Epstein depends on how the Cubs are going to use him. Why should it?

 

Not no to your question, no to your terrible analogy.

[mul21]

Not no to your question, no to your terrible analogy.

 

Use all caps so he understands better.

[treebird]

Not no to your question, no to your terrible analogy.

 

MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE SHOUTED

[Vinestal]

I love Heyman he's mad, I mean certifiable, the guy is nuts. he talks in circles, it's really hard to follow sometimes. I also don't understand the need for this to take so long, Selig needs to come in and put a deadline on it just to force decisions, I doubt he will though.

[Guest]

I don't think Selig can do anything

[Laura]

Here's the link to the Heyman article:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/18/heyman.hoyer/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't think Selig can do anything

 

Selig can pretty much do anything. Best Interests of Baseball, and all that.

[davearm2]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

Only if the car is getting promoted to a 4 wheel drive truck.

 

I just don't understand how you don't get this. It's the same thing as an NFL coordinator being allowed to interview for a head coaching job. There's NEVER any compensation when a promotion is involved. In fact, the only time permission is even considered to be an issue is in a parallel move, which we've clearly determined is not the case here.

Again, you're commingling the permission issue with the compensation issue.

 

Theo was allowed to interview with the Cubs in the first place because the Red Sox were persuaded by Ricketts that the Cubs were offering a promotion.

 

In no way, shape, or form does promotion = no compensation. Both the Cubs and the Red Sox have understood all along that compensation is required, and I think everyone here understands that as well.

[cubsclapp]

Heyman weighs in again

 

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

 

Padres gm jed hoyer is being considered for hire by the cubs/epstein. If hoyer goes to chicago, josh byrnes would be sd gm

 

That's odd. Why would Hoyer make that lateral move? And if he's under contract, the Cubs would have to give compensation there as well.

 

He is. Signed through 2013 with a club option for 2014.

 

He worked alongside Theo for a few years in Boston, and there's been some talk that he's not all that happy in San Diego these days. So his interest wouldn't shock me. The Cubs going through another compensatory situation for a front office guy would surprise me though.

[Guest]

I don't think Selig can do anything

 

Selig can pretty much do anything. Best Interests of Baseball, and all that.

No he cannot. There is no best interests of baseball going on here. If he sides with one of the counterparties that would be a big no, no.

 

If he says. "guys you have until X to get this done", that's another matter. But I don't even think he'd do that.

[Banedon]

I don't think Selig can do anything

 

Selig can pretty much do anything. Best Interests of Baseball, and all that.

No he cannot. There is no best interests of baseball going on here. If he sides with one of the counterparties that would be a big no, no.

 

If he says. "guys you have until X to get this done", that's another matter. But I don't even think he'd do that.

 

Well yeah, he'd set deadlines if he did anything. I don't think anyone was suggesting that he'd take a side.

[Guest]

 

Theo was allowed to interview with the Cubs in the first place because the Red Sox were persuaded by Ricketts that the Cubs were offering a promotion.

 

In no way, shape, or form does promotion = no compensation. Both the Cubs and the Red Sox have understood all along that compensation is required, and I think everyone here understands that as well.

 

 

Typically, promotion absolutely does = no compensation.

 

Whether this is really a clear cut promotion is highly questionable, though.

[Magnetic Curses]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

Only if the car is getting promoted to a 4 wheel drive truck.

 

I just don't understand how you don't get this. It's the same thing as an NFL coordinator being allowed to interview for a head coaching job. There's NEVER any compensation when a promotion is involved. In fact, the only time permission is even considered to be an issue is in a parallel move, which we've clearly determined is not the case here.

 

the question here is are the cubs inventing a position that's not really a promotion, but sounds like a promotion for the sake of calling it a promotion?

[Guest]

 

the question here is are the cubs inventing a position that's not really a promotion, but sounds like a promotion for the sake of calling it a promotion?

 

Exactly.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And the answer is clearly no. Epstein reports to someone who reports to the owner right now. He will not under the Cubs.

[Vinestal]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

Only if the car is getting promoted to a 4 wheel drive truck.

 

I just don't understand how you don't get this. It's the same thing as an NFL coordinator being allowed to interview for a head coaching job. There's NEVER any compensation when a promotion is involved. In fact, the only time permission is even considered to be an issue is in a parallel move, which we've clearly determined is not the case here.

 

the question here is are the cubs inventing a position that's not really a promotion, but sounds like a promotion for the sake of calling it a promotion?

 

 

I think it's clearly a promotion. In Boston he answers to Luccino (not an owner) in Chicago he would answer directly to the owner. That's clearly a step up the ladder.

[Guest]

the question here is are the cubs inventing a position that's not really a promotion, but sounds like a promotion for the sake of calling it a promotion?

 

Theo isn't interested for no reason, and people like Lucchino or Andy MacPhail have actual job responsibilities.

[ScrubMD]

FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION, IT NO LONGER MATTERS WHETHER ANYONE CONSIDERS THIS A PROMOTION OR NOT

 

No.

When you sell your car, does your price depend upon how the person buying it is going to use it?

 

Only if the car is getting promoted to a 4 wheel drive truck.

 

I just don't understand how you don't get this. It's the same thing as an NFL coordinator being allowed to interview for a head coaching job. There's NEVER any compensation when a promotion is involved. In fact, the only time permission is even considered to be an issue is in a parallel move, which we've clearly determined is not the case here.

Again, you're commingling the permission issue with the compensation issue.

 

Theo was allowed to interview with the Cubs in the first place because the Red Sox were persuaded by Ricketts that the Cubs were offering a promotion.

 

In no way, shape, or form does promotion = no compensation. Both the Cubs and the Red Sox have understood all along that compensation is required, and I think everyone here understands that as well.

 

Nobody better point out that the promotion most definitely affects the compensation or he will TYPE AT YOU IN ALL CAPS.

 

It hurts what little he has of an argument, so be cool.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't think Selig can do anything

 

Selig can pretty much do anything. Best Interests of Baseball, and all that.

No he cannot. There is no best interests of baseball going on here. If he sides with one of the counterparties that would be a big no, no.

 

If he says. "guys you have until X to get this done", that's another matter. But I don't even think he'd do that.

 

Well yeah, he'd set deadlines if he did anything. I don't think anyone was suggesting that he'd take a side.

 

The question wasn't whether Selig would do something. It was whether he could.

 

And he could. He could tell the Red Sox "You guys are dumb, I'm in charge of you now" and release Epstein himself before burning down Fenway, if he wanted to. His powers are almost unlimited.

[Guest]

And the answer is clearly no. Epstein reports to someone who reports to the owner right now. He will not under the Cubs.

 

Give me a break.

 

We all know what is being done here. We're being creative with titles so that we can try to pass it off as a promotion, but we want Theo to be the GM. If we are truly hiring him as "President of baseball operations" and somebody else as GM, then, sure, it's a clear promotion. But I don't think that's what we're paying him close to $20M for.

 

This is far from assistant GM to GM or any other traditional promotion.

[Guest]

the question here is are the cubs inventing a position that's not really a promotion, but sounds like a promotion for the sake of calling it a promotion?

 

Theo isn't interested for no reason

 

 

Can't he just be interested because he wants to get away from the lunacy in Boston, make a lot more money, and take on a new challenge?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And the answer is clearly no. Epstein reports to someone who reports to the owner right now. He will not under the Cubs.

 

Give me a break.

 

We all know what is being done here. We're being creative with titles so that we can try to pass it off as a promotion, but we want Theo to be the GM. If we are truly hiring him as "President of baseball operations" and somebody else as GM, then, sure, it's a clear promotion. But I don't think that's what we're paying him close to $20M for.

 

This is far from assistant GM to GM or any other traditional promotion.

 

Given that Epstein has chafed in the past about being under Lucchino, the idea that no longer being under a President is immaterial is absurd.

[Guest]

Not every organizational hierarchy is the same. We can make up all kinds of titles and consider them "promotions" compared to other teams. This is highly subjective.