Minor League Discussion & Boxes 9-5-11

[Outshined_One]

Box Scores

 

Iowa won 7-2 Box Score

 

CF B. Jackson 1/4, BB, R, RBI, HR (10), K

SS M. Gonzalez 1/5

LF B. Snyder 0/5, 2 K

1B S. Moore 2/4, R, 2 2B (19)

DH DJ LeMahieu 1/4, R

2B R. Flaherty 1/2, 2 BB, 2 R, 2B (11)

RF M. Spencer 1/3, BB, R

3B M. Smith 1/3, R, RBI, 2B (18), K, E (4, fielding)

C C. Robinson 2/4, 2 RBI, 2B (15), K

SP J. Jackson 5 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, HBP, 6-2 GO-FO

RP N. Struck 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 1-0 GO-FO

RP R. Coello 1 perfect, 1 K, 0-1 GO-FO

RP B. Parker 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

 

Peoria lost 9-3 Box Score

 

2B A. Alcantara 1/5, R, RBI, 2B (14)

CF R. Silva 2/5, R, 2 K, Assist (2B)

3B D. Geiger 2/5, 2 K, E (14, fielding)

1B R. Jones 0/4, K

C M. Gibbs 1/3, BB, RBI, 2B (14)

DH B. Klafczynski 0/4, K

SS K. Socorro 2/4, R, E (3, throw)

LF J. Morelli 1/4, K

SP A. Kirk 4.2 IP, 3 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 2-4 GO-FO

RP R. Hartman .2 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 1-0 GO-FO

RP C. Thomas 1.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO, E (1, pickoff)

RP Y. Gonzalez 2 perfect, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO

 

Boise lost Game 1 of its Playoff Series 6-0 Box Score

 

2B/CF Z. DeVoss 1/2, BB, K, HBP, E (1, fielding)

CF O. Zapata 0/2, BB

C R. Lopez 0/4, K

1B R. Cuneo 2/4, K

DH P. Hoilman 0/4, 3 K

RF R. Golden 0/4

SS/2B W. Darvill 0/2, BB

3B/LF W. Contreras 1/3, 2B (1), K

LF KM Na 0/2, 2 K

PH/SS J. Baez 0/1, K

SP J. Rosario 4 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, HR, WP, 2 HBP, 8-2 GO-FO

RP D. Fitzgerald 3 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, Balk, 7-0 GO-FO

RP C. Richardson 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 2-2 GO-FO

 

OVERALL: 1-2

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Jay Jackson (7-14, 5.40 ERA, 141.2 IP, 94 K, 46 BB)

Peoria: LHP Austin Kirk (5-11, 4.18 ERA, 146.1 IP, 116 K, 36 BB)

Boise: RHP Jose Rosario (6-3, 3.53 ERA, 63.2 IP, 50 K, 18 BB)

[dfnowak]

Last game for Iowa today? I'm too lazy to look it up. If so, does anyone think BJax will be called to the Cubs after today?

[squally1313]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

[Quakers]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

 

According to what was said on WGN during the rain delay a couple of days ago, they do not want to start the clock on Jackson.

[Guest]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

 

According to what was said on WGN during the rain delay a couple of days ago, they do not want to start the clock on Jackson.

Which is a little bit of bs. They wouldn't start the clock on him by rostering him now. He wouldn't burn an option as he wouldn't be sent to Iowa this season and players don't accrue service time for september call ups.

 

However, it would have a few negative impacts:

 

1) it unnecessarily takes away one 40 man roster spot during the offseason

2) They would have to burn an option year on him come spring if he gets sent back to Iowa

3) it puts more pressure on them to give him a job out of camp if he does well

 

The last point could be questioned and the second is only a problem if he doesn't make the team in the spring. But the first one is definitely an issue.

[StarlinOnYou]

Worried about starting the clock on a guy, who at best is a No. 5 starter?

 

I don't know what else to say.

[Guest]

Last game for Iowa today? I'm too lazy to look it up. If so, does anyone think BJax will be called to the Cubs after today?

 

Yes, and Bruce Miles and Carrie Muskat are saying he won't be called up this September. Probably for the best since he doesn't have to be rostered this offseason and there are already going to be some tough decisions this offseason.

[SouthSideRyan]

Worried about starting the clock on a guy, who at best is a No. 5 starter?

 

I don't know what else to say.

 

People are confusing BJax and JJax. BJax is unlikely to be rostered because of 40 man issues. JJax may not be rostered due to the fact that he hasn't been good. I'd like to see him rostered, get him a few starts, but I can understand not wanting to see him come up and get shelled after he finally started to settle in after a horrendous year.

[seattlecub]

Brett hits yet another leadoff HR

[squally1313]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

 

According to what was said on WGN during the rain delay a couple of days ago, they do not want to start the clock on Jackson.

Which is a little bit of bs. They wouldn't start the clock on him by rostering him now. He wouldn't burn an option as he wouldn't be sent to Iowa this season and players don't accrue service time for september call ups.

 

However, it would have a few negative impacts:

 

1) it unnecessarily takes away one 40 man roster spot during the offseason

2) They would have to burn an option year on him come spring if he gets sent back to Iowa

3) it puts more pressure on them to give him a job out of camp if he does well

 

The last point could be questioned and the second is only a problem if he doesn't make the team in the spring. But the first one is definitely an issue.

 

Point number 1....I haven't spent much time looking at the logistics of the 40 man roster for the offseason, but isn't he someone we might want to protect anyways? I would think if David Patton (sorry to bring that name up) could get drafted, there would be teams willing to give their 5th starter/long relief spot to Jackson.

[Guest]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

 

According to what was said on WGN during the rain delay a couple of days ago, they do not want to start the clock on Jackson.

Which is a little bit of bs. They wouldn't start the clock on him by rostering him now. He wouldn't burn an option as he wouldn't be sent to Iowa this season and players don't accrue service time for september call ups.

 

However, it would have a few negative impacts:

 

1) it unnecessarily takes away one 40 man roster spot during the offseason

2) They would have to burn an option year on him come spring if he gets sent back to Iowa

3) it puts more pressure on them to give him a job out of camp if he does well

 

The last point could be questioned and the second is only a problem if he doesn't make the team in the spring. But the first one is definitely an issue.

 

Point number 1....I haven't spent much time looking at the logistics of the 40 man roster for the offseason, but isn't he someone we might want to protect anyways? I would think if David Patton (sorry to bring that name up) could get drafted, there would be teams willing to give their 5th starter/long relief spot to Jackson.

Apologies...I was thinking Brett, not Jay when I wrote my post.

 

All that applies to the logic of "starting the clock" when it comes to Jay, as well, but with the difference being that he's one of the guys that does need to be protected this winter. I think he'll get rostered this offseason, but if the Cubs don't see the significant issues he's had over the past 12+ months as fixable, then they may leave him off.

[squally1313]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

 

According to what was said on WGN during the rain delay a couple of days ago, they do not want to start the clock on Jackson.

Which is a little bit of bs. They wouldn't start the clock on him by rostering him now. He wouldn't burn an option as he wouldn't be sent to Iowa this season and players don't accrue service time for september call ups.

 

However, it would have a few negative impacts:

 

1) it unnecessarily takes away one 40 man roster spot during the offseason

2) They would have to burn an option year on him come spring if he gets sent back to Iowa

3) it puts more pressure on them to give him a job out of camp if he does well

 

The last point could be questioned and the second is only a problem if he doesn't make the team in the spring. But the first one is definitely an issue.

 

Point number 1....I haven't spent much time looking at the logistics of the 40 man roster for the offseason, but isn't he someone we might want to protect anyways? I would think if David Patton (sorry to bring that name up) could get drafted, there would be teams willing to give their 5th starter/long relief spot to Jackson.

Apologies...I was thinking Brett, not Jay when I wrote my post.

 

All that applies to the logic of "starting the clock" when it comes to Jay, as well, but with the difference being that he's one of the guys that does need to be protected this winter. I think he'll get rostered this offseason, but if the Cubs don't see the significant issues he's had over the past 12+ months as fixable, then they may leave him off.

 

Thanks...I agree, it is a little disappointing how he hasn't really been good for a good amount of time now. I kept thinking last year was the year he showed all that promise, but it was 2009. Then again, I thought he was older than he actually is (just turns 24 in October).

 

Like I said, I'm seeing that we might have 40 man roster issues, but I haven't actually looked into it. If it's really a crunch, then maybe he gets left off and you hope you get lucky. But I'd love to see him battle for that 4th and 5th spot going into next year, especially with Zambrano's status up in the air and Cashner coming off a lost season. Wells hasn't really been good since 2009 either (although admittedly 99 ERA+ last year is better than what Jackson was doing), and at the very least it would give him experience and hopefully give us more depth so we're not left with the Casey Colemans and Rodrigo Lopezs of the world.

[Guest]

Boise was no-hit for the first 5.1 in game 1, at home. Zeke DeVoss broke up it up with a single. They're down 6-0.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can someone explain the thought process on keeping JJax in AAA while giving Rodrigo Lopez starts for the Cubs? I know he hasn't had the best year, but what's the worst that could happen?

 

I really have to agree there, considering that they have to decide whether or not to roster Jay t protect him from the Rule 5, an I really think he's a guy who would be picked. Lopez is of no value to this team.

[Guest]

Javier Baez just pinch hit for Boise so he seems to have healed a bit from his injury.

[toonsterwu]

to be fair, there really wasn't any reason to call Jay up earlier. I don't really care for Rodrigo either, but Jay was going through his fair share of struggles earlier in the year, and I'd rather the organization, in a lost year, have a kid develop some more than bringing them up early.

 

As to now ... considering how well he finished, I'm actually not against the idea of giving him a start or two for a look-see, but I don't get the feeling that it will occur.

[dfnowak]

Last game for Iowa today? I'm too lazy to look it up. If so, does anyone think BJax will be called to the Cubs after today?

 

Yes, and Bruce Miles and Carrie Muskat are saying he won't be called up this September. Probably for the best since he doesn't have to be rostered this offseason and there are already going to be some tough decisions this offseason.

That's too bad. It makes sense based on what you are saying, but I was really hoping to have a reason to watch Cubs games the rest of this season.

[sneakypower]

Brett Jackson's '11 numbers prorated to 650 PA

 

AB: 556

R: 109

H: 152

2B: 30

3B: 7

HR: 26

RBI: 75

BB: 94

K: 178

SB: 27

[jumbo]

Brett Jackson's '11 numbers prorated to 650 PA

 

AB: 556

R: 109

H: 152

2B: 30

3B: 7

HR: 26

RBI: 75

BB: 94

K: 178

SB: 27

 

What are his MLE's? Does anyone here buy into those calculations?