Rickets gives Fleita 4-year extension

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Yeah, the Fleita extension looks pointless and stupid on its face, but we'll have to see if the contract specifics give the incoming GM any latitude in making changes.

 

Of course he's going to have latitude on moves. Expect an Assistant GM.

 

I mean latitude to replace or demote Fleita and/or Wilken if he sees fit.

 

He'll have that too. When's the last time a hangup like that even happened for anyone? Even the Mets kept some guys when they did their overhaul last year.

 

It just probably won't happen to any major extent. I just don't expect Fleita to be the assistant GM or have as many roles as he had under Hendry, but I expect he'll still be a key figure in the scouting part of the organization with Wilken.

[davearm2]

Fleita is not in the scouting department.

[UK1679666180]

Fleita is not in the scouting department.

 

He still scouts, he might not fill out the OFP reports but when evaluating the system, he is essentially scouting them.

[davearm2]

Fleita is not in the scouting department.

 

He still scouts, he might not fill out the OFP reports but when evaluating the system, he is essentially scouting them.

Only if you consider evaluating your own players "scouting". I don't.

[UK1679666180]

Fleita is not in the scouting department.

 

He still scouts, he might not fill out the OFP reports but when evaluating the system, he is essentially scouting them.

Only if you consider evaluating your own players "scouting". I don't.

 

 

How is that not scouting?

 

The foundation of evaluation is still the same, the difference is greater access to coaches.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Only if you consider evaluating your own players "scouting". I don't.

 

Yeah you can't really evaluate an athlete without scouting an athlete, even in a world where only the numbers/results matter.

[davearm2]

Fleita is not in the scouting department.

 

He still scouts, he might not fill out the OFP reports but when evaluating the system, he is essentially scouting them.

Only if you consider evaluating your own players "scouting". I don't.

 

 

How is that not scouting?

 

The foundation of evaluation is still the same, the difference is greater access to coaches.

You scout players you may be playing against (advance scouting), or players you might try to bring into your organization (amateur scouting, international scouting, etc.). Regardless, the common theme is, the guys you're scouting are not a part of your organization... they're on other teams.

 

Look you might think it a trivial distinction, but the Cubs scouting department is a wholly separate entity from the player development/minor league system. Fleita is clearly in the latter area, not the former. Wilken is the scouting director.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

You scout players you may be playing against (advance scouting), or players you might try to bring into your organization (amateur scouting, international scouting, etc.). Regardless, the common theme is, the guys you're scouting are not a part of your organization... they're on other teams.

 

Look you might think it a trivial distinction, but the Cubs scouting department is a wholly separate entity from the player development/minor league system. Fleita is clearly in the latter area, not the former. Wilken is the scouting director.

 

Sounds like a semantics issue to me, which is as trivial as it gets. Scouting is most definitely a part of his job, and you can not and do not evaluate players without some scouting being done.

[davearm2]

You scout players you may be playing against (advance scouting), or players you might try to bring into your organization (amateur scouting, international scouting, etc.). Regardless, the common theme is, the guys you're scouting are not a part of your organization... they're on other teams.

 

Look you might think it a trivial distinction, but the Cubs scouting department is a wholly separate entity from the player development/minor league system. Fleita is clearly in the latter area, not the former. Wilken is the scouting director.

 

Sounds like a semantics issue to me, which is as trivial as it gets. Scouting is most definitely a part of his job, and you can not and do not evaluate players without some scouting being done.

We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO what Fleita does is not scouting.

[TruffleShuffle]

You scout players you may be playing against (advance scouting), or players you might try to bring into your organization (amateur scouting, international scouting, etc.). Regardless, the common theme is, the guys you're scouting are not a part of your organization... they're on other teams.

 

Look you might think it a trivial distinction, but the Cubs scouting department is a wholly separate entity from the player development/minor league system. Fleita is clearly in the latter area, not the former. Wilken is the scouting director.

 

so when cub management goes down to iowa or tennessee to see how guys are playing and evaluate whether they might be able to make a positive contribution to the big club, what is that called? "watching"?

[Bull]

You scout players you may be playing against (advance scouting), or players you might try to bring into your organization (amateur scouting, international scouting, etc.). Regardless, the common theme is, the guys you're scouting are not a part of your organization... they're on other teams.

 

Look you might think it a trivial distinction, but the Cubs scouting department is a wholly separate entity from the player development/minor league system. Fleita is clearly in the latter area, not the former. Wilken is the scouting director.

 

so when cub management goes down to iowa or tennessee to see how guys are playing and evaluate whether they might be able to make a positive contribution to the big club, what is that called? "watching"?

 

davearm, you've allowed your argument to be derailed into what he does, but your original point was right on. Wilken and Fleita serve in totally different roles.

[UK1679666180]

Fleita is not in the scouting department.

 

He still scouts, he might not fill out the OFP reports but when evaluating the system, he is essentially scouting them.

Only if you consider evaluating your own players "scouting". I don't.

 

 

How is that not scouting?

 

The foundation of evaluation is still the same, the difference is greater access to coaches.

You scout players you may be playing against (advance scouting), or players you might try to bring into your organization (amateur scouting, international scouting, etc.). Regardless, the common theme is, the guys you're scouting are not a part of your organization... they're on other teams.

 

Look you might think it a trivial distinction, but the Cubs scouting department is a wholly separate entity from the player development/minor league system. Fleita is clearly in the latter area, not the former. Wilken is the scouting director.

 

Trust me, I know their roles.

 

One of Oneri's main responsibility is to evaluate the system. If Riedling is pulling off the ball and that is one of the notes included in his report to Bush, he is essentially scouting, granted he's not projecting him but if he says Rebel will not hit for avg and get more exposed further up he goes, he basically is scouting him just not an OFP report.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

* buffer before the davearm post that says you are wrong about what scouts do *

[TruffleShuffle]

stay out of this UK, i want to hear about what scouts do from a professional.

[RammyFanny]

This is a pretty good article if you want to read an optimistic view of the situation. Fleita basically says he wouldn't care if the new GM demotes him, he just wants to be in the organization.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0909-haugh-cubs-chicago--20110909,0,3111027.column

[Benchwarmer]

This is just meddling on Ricketts' part. He's saddling the new GM with people he didn't hire and have questionable results. We have to keep Fleita because he speaks Spanish also? We have to keep Fleita because he wants to stay in Chicago?

 

Maybe the key detail is that the Tigers apparently were granted permission to talk to Fleita during the season. If this is true, then I hope Ricketts has contacted clubs about talking with potential candidates. You simply can't wait until late November to make a final decision. If Ricketts had launched Hendry earlier...

[TruffleShuffle]

This is just meddling on Ricketts' part. He's saddling the new GM with people he didn't hire and have questionable results. We have to keep Fleita because he speaks Spanish also? We have to keep Fleita because he wants to stay in Chicago?

 

what are you talking about?

 

Maybe the key detail is that the Tigers apparently were granted permission to talk to Fleita during the season. If this is true, then I hope Ricketts has contacted clubs about talking with potential candidates. You simply can't wait until late November to make a final decision. If Ricketts had launched Hendry earlier...

 

ricketts can contact everyone he wants, but they don't have to allow him to interview their employees. i'm pretty certain that if he asked to interview a sitting GM during the season, he'd be denied. if he'd "launched" hendry in july the situation would still be the same; he'd need an interim GM and he'd have to wait to interview guys who are likely among his top candidates. on a bad team, what is going to happen between august and november that is so important that you must have your replacement GM already?

[jersey cubs fan]

This is a pretty good article if you want to read an optimistic view of the situation. Fleita basically says he wouldn't care if the new GM demotes him, he just wants to be in the organization.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0909-haugh-cubs-chicago--20110909,0,3111027.column

 

What a stupid premise to begin with. Fleita is bad at his job. This team has done a piss poor job and he's been in that role for a very long time.

[WilcoFan]

For what its worth... from thekapman.

 

I just spoke with two GM candidates who both told me they have no prob w/contract to Fleita and probable to Wilken. In fact. they love both.

 

Actually neither one was Hahn.

[bukie]

For what its worth... from thekapman.

 

I just spoke with two GM candidates who both told me they have no prob w/contract to Fleita and probable to Wilken. In fact. they love both.

 

Actually neither one was Hahn.

So Coletti and Lamar are good.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Steve Stone, IMO

[javy knows my name]

Yeah, I have no confidence that any of my top 5 would talk to Kaplan right now. That means [expletive] all

[Guest]

Yeah, I have no confidence that any of my top 5 would talk to Kaplan right now. That means [expletive] all

How does thecapman know who to talk to in the first place?

[Little Slide Rooter]

For what its worth... from thekapman.

 

I just spoke with two GM candidates who both told me they have no prob w/contract to Fleita and probable to Wilken. In fact. they love both.

 

Actually neither one was Hahn.

So Coletti and Lamar are good.

 

Maybe they were Fleita and Wilken.

[davearm2]

This is just meddling on Ricketts' part. He's saddling the new GM with people he didn't hire and have questionable results. We have to keep Fleita because he speaks Spanish also? We have to keep Fleita because he wants to stay in Chicago?

Imagine you're a GM candidate. Which conversation makes you more likely to accept the job?

 

"Our current farm director is under contract, but the terms are flexible so you can keep him, fire him, or reassign him as you see fit."

 

"We have no farm director. You'll be starting at square one there."