August waiver deals

[Post Count Padder]

I thought we could use a thread for players placed on/claimed off waiver and trades made.

 

I saw the other day we placed Z on waivers, but I just assumed we placed half the roster on waivers for the hell of it.

[NCCubFan]

I saw the other day we placed Z on waivers, but I just assumed we placed half the roster on waivers for the hell of it.

Probably; most teams do that. It's one way to hide the identity of a player you're really interested in trading if you place ten others on waivers at the same time.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

[Guest]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

Are you just assuming the acquiring teams will ignore every other year of his career when evaluating him?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

Are you just assuming the acquiring teams will ignore every other year of his career when evaluating him?

 

I'm not suggesting that we're going to get Domonic Brown or Jesus Montero for him just that he's a very cheap 2 month rental for a team looking for a solid bat off the bench.

[TruffleShuffle]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

Are you just assuming the acquiring teams will ignore every other year of his career when evaluating him?

 

I'm not suggesting that we're going to get Domonic Brown or Jesus Montero for him just that he's a very cheap 2 month rental for a team looking for a solid bat off the bench.

 

it's 2 months and he'd be coming off the bench. you don't get "solid young high upside prospects" for that.

[Rob]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

Are you just assuming the acquiring teams will ignore every other year of his career when evaluating him?

 

I'm not suggesting that we're going to get Domonic Brown or Jesus Montero for him just that he's a very cheap 2 month rental for a team looking for a solid bat off the bench.

 

it's 2 months and he'd be coming off the bench. you don't get "solid young high upside prospects" for that.

 

Bingo.

 

I'd love to trade Reed and think other teams should be legitimately interested in him. But I'd be shocked if we got much more than an Evan Crawford type for him... a mildly intriguing prospect with significant holes is a pretty reasonable price.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

Are you just assuming the acquiring teams will ignore every other year of his career when evaluating him?

 

I'm not suggesting that we're going to get Domonic Brown or Jesus Montero for him just that he's a very cheap 2 month rental for a team looking for a solid bat off the bench.

 

it's 2 months and he'd be coming off the bench. you don't get "solid young high upside prospects" for that.

 

Bingo.

 

I'd love to trade Reed and think other teams should be legitimately interested in him. But I'd be shocked if we got much more than an Evan Crawford type for him... a mildly intriguing prospect with significant holes is a pretty reasonable price.

 

Exactly, and that's all that I'd be expecting. Even if Johnson had a better past track record, there's really only so much you can expect from a 2 month rental, but we may as well cash him in for what we can get. A young guy with upside is all I'm asking for. Even an Abner Abreu type would be a great return considering that Reed was a minor league invitee. This being said, I'd probably expect very similar returns for Johnson and Pena.

[davearm2]

Someone in the Jose Ceda mold doesn't sound that outrageous. Or maybe another Kyler Burke. Or even Chris Archer.

 

Those guys all had plenty of upside.

[Vanilla Ice]

Reed Johnson must be generating some interest. In a limited role, he has a .325 BA with a .900 OPS. That must be intriguing to contenders in need of some pop off the bench. We should be able to get a solid young high upside prospect for him.

Are you just assuming the acquiring teams will ignore every other year of his career when evaluating him?

If WSR forgets, why shouldn't the real teams?

[Rob]

Someone in the Jose Ceda mold doesn't sound that outrageous. Or maybe another Kyler Burke. Or even Chris Archer.

 

Those guys all had plenty of upside.

 

Todd Walker, Michael Barrett and Mark DeRosa were all better players than Reed Johnson.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Someone in the Jose Ceda mold doesn't sound that outrageous. Or maybe another Kyler Burke. Or even Chris Archer.

 

Those guys all had plenty of upside.

 

Todd Walker, Michael Barrett and Mark DeRosa were all better players than Reed Johnson.

 

The guys having a great season, and there's no reason to think he'll fall off a cliff in the next 2 months,plus there's no obligation past this season. No reason for teams not to go after him.

[TruffleShuffle]

The guys having a great season, and there's no reason to think he'll fall off a cliff in the next 2 months.

 

there's also no reason to think he'll continue producing well above his career norms. the dude has 3 walks versus 40 walks in 171 plate appearances and his babip is .409. anyone who trades for him and expects him to keep up the production he's had in 2011 is a fool.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The guys having a great season, and there's no reason to think he'll fall off a cliff in the next 2 months.

 

there's also no reason to think he'll continue producing well above his career norms. the dude has 3 walks versus 40 walks in 171 plate appearances and his babip is .409. anyone who trades for him and expects him to keep up the production he's had in 2011 is a fool.

 

Again, if he was under contract through this year, that would be a valid concern for other teams, but we're just talking under 2 months, and there's no reason he won't keep up what he's been doing thus far, especially when you look at the Giants and D Backs who could definitely use an offensive boost off the bench. The Braves are still looking for a right handed bat, and while he might not be what they had in mind, there's not too much left on the market.

[TruffleShuffle]

The guys having a great season, and there's no reason to think he'll fall off a cliff in the next 2 months.

 

there's also no reason to think he'll continue producing well above his career norms. the dude has 3 walks versus 40 walks in 171 plate appearances and his babip is .409. anyone who trades for him and expects him to keep up the production he's had in 2011 is a fool.

 

Again, if he was under contract through this year, that would be a valid concern for other teams, but we're just talking under 2 months, and there's no reason he won't keep up what he's been doing thus far, especially when you look at the Giants and D Backs who could definitely use an offensive boost off the bench. The Braves are still looking for a right handed bat, and while he might not be what they had in mind, there's not too much left on the market.

 

YES THERE IS, i just gave you some reasons. his babip is .409, he doesn't walk and his power numbers are above his career normals. last year he had similarly atrocious plate discipline and his ops was .657. why do you believe that just because he's been very productive for 4 months that he's apparently guaranteed to continue being very productive for the next 2?

[Little Slide Rooter]

The guys having a great season, and there's no reason to think he'll fall off a cliff in the next 2 months.

 

there's also no reason to think he'll continue producing well above his career norms. the dude has 3 walks versus 40 walks in 171 plate appearances and his babip is .409. anyone who trades for him and expects him to keep up the production he's had in 2011 is a fool.

 

Again, if he was under contract through this year, that would be a valid concern for other teams, but we're just talking under 2 months, and there's no reason he won't keep up what he's been doing thus far, especially when you look at the Giants and D Backs who could definitely use an offensive boost off the bench. The Braves are still looking for a right handed bat, and while he might not be what they had in mind, there's not too much left on the market.

 

YES THERE IS, i just gave you some reasons. his babip is .409, he doesn't walk and his power numbers are above his career normals. last year he had similarly atrocious plate discipline and his ops was .657. why do you believe that just because he's been very productive for 4 months that he's apparently guaranteed to continue being very productive for the next 2?

 

Who said guaranteed? All that I'm trying to say is that a team looking for a bat off the bench may be willing to give up something along the lines of an Evan Crawford, Abner Abreu, or Jose Ceda type prospect for him.

[TruffleShuffle]

no, you repeated twice that there's no reason he won't keep up what he's been doing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

no, you repeated twice that there's no reason he won't keep up what he's been doing.

 

No reason to believe that he won't. That doesn't mean it's a guarantee. If nothing else, he can hit the hell out of lefties and serve as a 4th outfielder. You seem to be responding to me as though I'm saying that he's the greatest thing on the market and any contender would gladly hand over the keys to their farm system for 2 months of his services.

[tfarks]

You guys are on repeat.

[davearm2]

Someone in the Jose Ceda mold doesn't sound that outrageous. Or maybe another Kyler Burke. Or even Chris Archer.

 

Those guys all had plenty of upside.

 

Todd Walker, Michael Barrett and Mark DeRosa were all better players than Reed Johnson.

DeRosa, yes, but he brought two other guys as well.

 

Beyond that, you're splitting hairs. I get Johnson's BABIP is high, but the guy is having a great year, can play all 3 OF positions, and is cheap. Guys like that have value to contenders.

[Rob]

Someone in the Jose Ceda mold doesn't sound that outrageous. Or maybe another Kyler Burke. Or even Chris Archer.

 

Those guys all had plenty of upside.

 

Todd Walker, Michael Barrett and Mark DeRosa were all better players than Reed Johnson.

DeRosa, yes, but he brought two other guys as well.

 

Beyond that, you're splitting hairs. I get Johnson's BABIP is high, but the guy is having a great year, can play all 3 OF positions, and is cheap. Guys like that have value to contenders.

 

Walker are Barrett had been legitimate starting caliber players for contending teams in previous years. Now they were both obviously on the downslopes of their careers, but there's still some degree of upside to guys who have shown more in the past (remember our Jim Edmonds acquisition?). Reed Johnson has never been perceived as a starting caliber player.

 

Again, I'm not saying I don't see the value in Reed Johnson. I absolutely do see it. I just see that utility guys and 4th outfielders bring back less in trades than guys teams are planning to plug in as the starter.

[davearm2]

Someone in the Jose Ceda mold doesn't sound that outrageous. Or maybe another Kyler Burke. Or even Chris Archer.

 

Those guys all had plenty of upside.

 

Todd Walker, Michael Barrett and Mark DeRosa were all better players than Reed Johnson.

DeRosa, yes, but he brought two other guys as well.

 

Beyond that, you're splitting hairs. I get Johnson's BABIP is high, but the guy is having a great year, can play all 3 OF positions, and is cheap. Guys like that have value to contenders.

 

Walker are Barrett had been legitimate starting caliber players for contending teams in previous years. Now they were both obviously on the downslopes of their careers, but there's still some degree of upside to guys who have shown more in the past (remember our Jim Edmonds acquisition?). Reed Johnson has never been perceived as a starting caliber player.

 

Again, I'm not saying I don't see the value in Reed Johnson. I absolutely do see it. I just see that utility guys and 4th outfielders bring back less in trades than guys teams are planning to plug in as the starter.

Point taken. I just don't see that large a gap in these guys' trade value. Or much of a gap at all.

[Sammy Sofa]

Reed Johnson essentially has minimal (or no) value to whatever team he'd be traded to after this season. The other three were all starters and all played into into the team's plans beyond just a two month rental.

[davearm2]

Reed Johnson essentially has minimal (or no) value to whatever team he'd be traded to after this season. The other three were all starters and all played into into the team's plans beyond just a two month rental.

Oh please. None of these three guys were under team control beyond the year they were traded.

 

DeRosa played in 71 games for the Indians, 0 of which came after the year he was traded.

 

Barrett played in 74 games for the Padres, 30 of which came after the year he was traded.

 

Walker played in 44 games for the Padres, 0 of which came after the year he was traded.

 

These guys were definitely not long-term answers for the teams they went to.

[Sammy Sofa]

Didn't say they were locks as long term answers (or even looked at as answers beyond 2-3 seasons), but they were all potentially and looked to be longer term and be of much more use than someone like Johnson. Johnson is a brief rental, period. All three starting players, however, could have easily been in plans beyond what actually played out if they had shown that they were worth holding onto; it just didn't turn out that way due to decline and/or injuries. Teams aren't going to give up comparable value for Reed Johnson just because those three guys didn't work out as hoped by the teams that traded for them. Those three had expectations/hopes of them beyond what Johnson brings.