Pirates

[bcl412]

ESPN is talking about this call like it's the worst call in the history of baseball and I'm still not sure he even tagged him. The fact that there is some question in my mind, makes it so this call isn't that big of a deal.

[ConstableRabbit]

http://i.imgur.com/JiMyv.jpg

 

Really?

[UMFan83]

http://i.imgur.com/JiMyv.jpg

 

Really?

 

It actually looks more conclusive that he missed the tag in that photo than he made the tag IMO. Maybe I'm just blind.

 

Either way, he's so far from the plate there it's hard to believe that there was no contact between the 2 before he went back and stepped on the plate.

 

I think the Holliday/touching the plate call and of course the perfect game botched call are both worse than this one, but this is still pretty bad.

[bcl412]

I explained why in the other games thread but that photo doesn't really prove anything to me.

 

My guess is he probably tagged him but as I still think the video evidence is inconclusive and the ump really is getting some undeserved grief. It didn't help thought that he, himself said something to the effect that he probably got his leg.

[Soul]

Just institute replay and we don't have to worry about demonizing refs.

 

But no, instead lets allow them to be lambasted and tortured over every bad call.

 

I posted an article awhile back on the ref who blew that no-hitter call. He's basically living a life in hell now. Great system, thanks Selig.

[TruffleShuffle]

Just institute replay and we don't have to worry about demonizing refs.

 

But no, instead lets allow them to be lambasted and tortured over every bad call.

 

I posted an article awhile back on the ref who blew that no-hitter call. He's basically living a life in hell now. Great system, thanks Selig.

 

i believe they're referred to as "umpires" in baseball

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just institute replay and we don't have to worry about demonizing refs.

 

But no, instead lets allow them to be lambasted and tortured over every bad call.

 

I posted an article awhile back on the ref who blew that no-hitter call. He's basically living a life in hell now. Great system, thanks Selig.

 

i believe they're referred to as "umpires" in baseball

 

That doesn't sound right. Are you sure you aren't thinking of Australian Rules football?

[Derwood]

I hope Jake realizes his Pirates are going to finish 80-82, just bad enough to keep the losing season streak going

[Sammy Sofa]

Just institute replay and we don't have to worry about demonizing refs.

 

But no, instead lets allow them to be lambasted and tortured over every bad call.

 

I posted an article awhile back on the ref who blew that no-hitter call. He's basically living a life in hell now. Great system, thanks Selig.

 

You're blaming Bud Selig...

 

...for the umpiring "system"...

 

...that was established well before he was even born.

 

...

 

Let's ponder that one for a brief moment, shall we?

[ConstableRabbit]

http://i.imgur.com/JiMyv.jpg

 

Really?

 

It actually looks more conclusive that he missed the tag in that photo than he made the tag IMO. Maybe I'm just blind.

 

Either way, he's so far from the plate there it's hard to believe that there was no contact between the 2 before he went back and stepped on the plate.

 

I think the Holliday/touching the plate call and of course the perfect game botched call are both worse than this one, but this is still pretty bad.

This makes it look like the glove is smashed against Lugo's leg here to me.

[erik316wttn]

Just institute replay and we don't have to worry about demonizing refs.

 

But no, instead lets allow them to be lambasted and tortured over every bad call.

 

I posted an article awhile back on the ref who blew that no-hitter call. He's basically living a life in hell now. Great system, thanks Selig.

 

You're blaming Bud Selig...

 

...for the umpiring "system"...

 

...that was established well before he was even born.

 

...

 

Let's ponder that one for a brief moment, shall we?

 

While you are totally correct in that Selig can't be blamed for a system that was well in place for decades before he was born, he CAN be blamed for not pushing harder to change said system for "the betterment of the game."

[Sammy Sofa]

Really? People hating umpires isn't anything new, and neither are blown/controversial calls. How are either actually detrimental to the game?

[erik316wttn]

Really? People hating umpires isn't anything new, and neither are blown/controversial calls. How are either actually detrimental to the game?

 

You seriously don't think an incorrect outcome hurts the game? Sure, baseball will go on as it always has, but you don't think the players and the fans deserve the correct outcome on the field? What if it would be the Cubs screwed out of a playoff game on a hilariously bad call? Would you still feel the same way?

 

Blown calls hurt the integrity of the game. Sure, not as much as like steroids or the Black Sox scandal or the color barrier, but it's still something that can be done away with if possible. I really will never understand the opposition to ensuring the correct outcome is called on the field.

[CubmanPi]

If they had resorted to instant replay after that call, that game would have gone on FOREVER.

 

But seriously.

 

There's nothing wrong with getting a play right and ensuring the right outcome, but no single play can ever carry the weight that single plays in the other of the Big 4 Sports can carry. There's no clock or sudden death, and there are ~4374 outs per season. And as hard as it is to believe, umps get nearly every call right.

 

It's true that the Pirates could very well finish up the season one game out of first and look back on that one play. It's also true that this blown call was the difference between the Pirates losing in 19 and the Pirates losing in 33. They also had 18 innings' worth of opportunities to put an extra run on the board. Also, if they end up a game out of first at the end of the season, there will be this singular what-if among 75-ish other losses for which the blame will fall on simply having a game inferior to their opponent.

 

It's not about the human element, and it's not about keeping a slow game from getting slower, it's about practicality. There are several plays every single game which are replay-worthy that don't amount to anything. There would literally be tens (hundreds?) of thousands of regular-season replays before you could ever definitively point to one call reversal/confirmation that ended up having a significant impact on the end-of-season standings.

 

I'm not at all opposed to replay, I just think its current lack of implementation is plenty understandable.

[Sammy Sofa]

Really? People hating umpires isn't anything new, and neither are blown/controversial calls. How are either actually detrimental to the game?

 

You seriously don't think an incorrect outcome hurts the game? Sure, baseball will go on as it always has, but you don't think the players and the fans deserve the correct outcome on the field? What if it would be the Cubs screwed out of a playoff game on a hilariously bad call? Would you still feel the same way?

 

Blown calls hurt the integrity of the game. Sure, not as much as like steroids or the Black Sox scandal or the color barrier, but it's still something that can be done away with if possible. I really will never understand the opposition to ensuring the correct outcome is called on the field.

 

No, I seriously don't.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't understand how people are opposed to getting the call right on the field. seems pretty obvious to do since we have the technology.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

[Derwood]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

 

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[TruffleShuffle]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

 

and they fixed that dumb crease rule in hockey.

 

so what you're saying is that there shouldn't be penalties in football, right?

[erik316wttn]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

 

So it's ok for an official to be wrong so long as the game is exciting?

 

If it were me, I really don't care if it's the most boring game I've ever seen. So long as the Cubs or Packers win, I'm happy, and I don't care how many replays I have to sit through for it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

 

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

i think it's more that he likes being contrarian - taking positions that others will disagree with - because he's bored.

[Formerly Snayke]

Getting this back on track, I will laugh when the Pirates finish ahead of the La Russas.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

 

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

i think it's more that he likes being contrarian - taking positions that others will disagree with - because he's bored.

 

Being anti-instant replay is not exactly a contrarian position.

 

Yes, I'd rather let the moment stand than get the call right with a several-minute, mood-killing delay.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Because a huge chunk of the fun of watching sports is the excitement of the moment. It already sucks in football when that excitement is ruined because you are waiting to find out if there's a flag or not. There was a long period in hockey that absolutely sucked because half the goals were being called back.

 

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

i think it's more that he likes being contrarian - taking positions that others will disagree with - because he's bored.

 

Being anti-instant replay is not exactly a contrarian position.

 

Yes, I'd rather let the moment stand than get the call right with a several-minute, mood-killing delay.

 

Even when its the game winning play in a game between 2 contenders? Obviously, you dont want to have it for every called ball/strike or check swing, but when it comes to run scoring plays, its very important to get it right. Like in football, give each manager a certain amount of challenges.

[illiniguy]

Getting this back on track, I will laugh when the Pirates finish ahead of the La Russas.

There is no way this can happen. You guys have too much talent, what the he'll is going on in St. Louis right now?