Is Colby Rasmus done in St. Louis?

[Benchwarmer]

I wonder if the KRod deal to Milwaukee will nudge the Cards into dealing Rasmus for Heath Bell? According to a base Cards fan, Rasmus has been in LaRussa's doghouse most of the year and the last few weeks he's been bad in the field and at the plate. This was a 5-tool guy who has let his father become his personal hitting coach and it hasn't help. He seems disinterested in the field and has misplayed singles into extra bases.

[DiamondMind]

He's 24 and immature, what a shocker. I'll take him.

 

edit: only if he shaves that ugly mustache though

Edited July 13, 2011 by DiamondMind

[Little Slide Rooter]

I mentioned this in another thread, but if they want to trade Rasmus, they can probably get what they want. Heath Bell would be a start, but they could also probably get an established young 2-3 starter. They could probably get Bell and any starting pitcher from the Padres if they chose to go that route. I know they would never send him to us, but if they did, Id happily send them any player or player combination aside from Castro. Marmol and Soto or Jackson would probably be the price. Id do it.

[StarlinOnYou]

I mentioned this in another thread, but if they want to trade Rasmus, they can probably get what they want. Heath Bell would be a start, but they could also probably get an established young 2-3 starter. They could probably get Bell and any starting pitcher from the Padres if they chose to go that route. I know they would never send him to us, but if they did, Id happily send them any player or player combination aside from Castro. Marmol and Soto or Jackson would probably be the price. Id do it.

 

Am I reading this right? You would trade Marmol for Colby Rasmus?

 

He's a career .259 hitter, doesn't get on base at a real good level, doesn't steal bases, and is only a 20 HR power guy.

 

I've got to believe you're massively overrating his trade value.. Maybe I am wrong?

 

I mean, I think Jackson could be brought up and put up similar numbers w/ a bit less power.

[MWV]

Rasmus' monthly splits:

              PA  AB  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
April/March   120 103 .301 .392 .476 .867
May           108  91 .253 .370 .407 .777
June           98  89 .213 .268 .416 .684
July           34  34 .147 .147 .235 .382

While he's probably on the way to a 2.5-3 WAR season, now would seem like a pretty tough time to get a worthwhile return on him.

[Sammy Sofa]

I mentioned this in another thread, but if they want to trade Rasmus, they can probably get what they want. Heath Bell would be a start, but they could also probably get an established young 2-3 starter. They could probably get Bell and any starting pitcher from the Padres if they chose to go that route. I know they would never send him to us, but if they did, Id happily send them any player or player combination aside from Castro. Marmol and Soto or Jackson would probably be the price. Id do it.

 

Am I reading this right? You would trade Marmol for Colby Rasmus?

 

He's a career .259 hitter, doesn't get on base at a real good level, doesn't steal bases, and is only a 20 HR power guy.

 

I've got to believe you're massively overrating his trade value.. Maybe I am wrong?

 

I mean, I think Jackson could be brought up and put up similar numbers w/ a bit less power.

 

He's only 24, and was very good in his age 23 season. He's regressed somewhat this year, but again, only 24, so this is the time to buy low on a player (if he's truly on the outs with the Cardinals) with that much promise and who was that highly rated as a prospect (#3 before 2009 and #5 before 2008). A player like that is much more valuable than an expensive closer.

Edited July 13, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[UMFan83]

I mentioned this in another thread, but if they want to trade Rasmus, they can probably get what they want. Heath Bell would be a start, but they could also probably get an established young 2-3 starter. They could probably get Bell and any starting pitcher from the Padres if they chose to go that route. I know they would never send him to us, but if they did, Id happily send them any player or player combination aside from Castro. Marmol and Soto or Jackson would probably be the price. Id do it.

 

Am I reading this right? You would trade Marmol for Colby Rasmus?

 

He's a career .259 hitter, doesn't get on base at a real good level, doesn't steal bases, and is only a 20 HR power guy.

 

I've got to believe you're massively overrating his trade value.. Maybe I am wrong?

 

I mean, I think Jackson could be brought up and put up similar numbers w/ a bit less power.

 

Colby was the #3 prospect in baseball 2 years ago, and had a pretty solid .859 OPS in his first full season in the bigs. His .363 OBP last year seems to show that he can get on base at least slightly above average (not sure what his isolated discipline was but he his OBP was ~90 points higher than his BA). He has had a tough season but he's only 24 and I believe is pretty good in CF.

 

If they are giving up on a player like that, I would trade an overpaid closer for him, as much as I loved Marmol during his time here.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

(not sure what his isolated discipline was but he his OBP was ~90 points higher than his BA)

Am I reading this right?

[mul21]

(not sure what his isolated discipline was but he his OBP was ~90 points higher than his BA)

Am I reading this right?

 

I thought that was strange too!

 

Also, Rasmus wouldn't be good in Wrigley. He's already terrified of the wall at Busch, there's no way in hell he's going anywhere near the bricks and ivy. He's also in general not very good at going back on balls, so he has to play deep because he actually is decent at coming in and getting the ball. Not going to kill you in CF, but not a huge asset either.

[sneakypower]

i loved the mspaint somebody at GRB created

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/Rogue1469/src.jpg

[BeerHere]

Relevant - from the Callis chat at BA:

 

Dave (D.C.): Who says no to this trade? ATL sends Beachy, Hoover and Lipka to the Cardinals for Colby Rasmus

 

 

Jim Callis: I'd say no if I were the Cardinals. I like those Braves youngsters, but I think Rasmus is going to be a star.

[radarluv1]

We all should be begging the cards to sell low. FYI Bell makes a reasonable 7.5M this year and will be a FA next year.

[Clem Fandango]

According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals would "most covet" right-hander Jeremy Hellickson in a potential trade with the Rays.

The Rays are known to have long-standing interest in Cardinals center fielder Colby Rasmus, who has clashed with management and issued more than one trade request since arriving in St. Louis in 2009. Tampa Bay is still very much in contention this season and would certainly prefer to keep its starting rotation intact, but Rasmus' five-tool potential may lure them into trade negotiations.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals would "most covet" right-hander Jeremy Hellickson in a potential trade with the Rays.

The Rays are known to have long-standing interest in Cardinals center fielder Colby Rasmus, who has clashed with management and issued more than one trade request since arriving in St. Louis in 2009. Tampa Bay is still very much in contention this season and would certainly prefer to keep its starting rotation intact, but Rasmus' five-tool potential may lure them into trade negotiations.

 

That might be aiming a touch high. Shields, Niemann, or Davis might be more realsitic. Maybe if the Rays hung onto that Garza guy.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I mentioned this in another thread, but if they want to trade Rasmus, they can probably get what they want. Heath Bell would be a start, but they could also probably get an established young 2-3 starter. They could probably get Bell and any starting pitcher from the Padres if they chose to go that route. I know they would never send him to us, but if they did, Id happily send them any player or player combination aside from Castro. Marmol and Soto or Jackson would probably be the price. Id do it.

 

Am I reading this right? You would trade Marmol for Colby Rasmus?

 

He's a career .259 hitter, doesn't get on base at a real good level, doesn't steal bases, and is only a 20 HR power guy.

 

I've got to believe you're massively overrating his trade value.. Maybe I am wrong?

 

I mean, I think Jackson could be brought up and put up similar numbers w/ a bit less power.

 

I'd trade anyone not named Castro for Rasmus.

[Derwood]

Olney threw out a possible Rasmus for BJ Upton trade

[KingCubsFan]

Olney threw out a possible Rasmus for BJ Upton trade

Doesn't really make sense since part of the reason for the trade is to have Jon Jay in center. That would be a steal for the Rays though.

[Guest]

Olney threw out a possible Rasmus for BJ Upton trade

Doesn't really make sense since part of the reason for the trade is to have Jon Jay in center. That would be a steal for the Rays though.

 

Jay isn't the impetus behind a Rasmus deal, it's the flimsy justification behind trading him for non-baseball(or non-performance at least) reasons.

[DivineBovine]

Relevant - from the Callis chat at BA:

 

Dave (D.C.): Who says no to this trade? ATL sends Beachy, Hoover and Lipka to the Cardinals for Colby Rasmus

 

 

Jim Callis: I'd say no if I were the Cardinals. I like those Braves youngsters, but I think Rasmus is going to be a star.

 

 

Good. Brandon Beachy would win like 8 Cy Youngs with the Cardinals.

[davearm2]

Hasn't LaRussa been making noise about retiring? Seems like the smart play for the Cards' GM is to hold Rasmus, wait out LaRussa, and see what Rasmus does with a different manager running the show.

[Tracer Bullet]

Hasn't LaRussa been making noise about retiring? Seems like the smart play for the Cards' GM is to hold Rasmus, wait out LaRussa, and see what Rasmus does with a different manager running the show.

 

I'm sorry, but LaRussa is God (only drunk). If you aren't a star for TLR, you won't make it for any manager.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Even if Jon Jay is the real deal, they have Holliday under contract for how ever many years, but I cant see them re upping Berkman long term, so keeping Rasmus is probably the smart thing t do. However, this year, if they want to go in, the bullpen is where they need help, especially when their future rotation could be comprised of Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, and Martinez(yikes). This being said, I wonder if they insisted on trading Rasmus, they offer him the perennially offensively challenged Padres for Bell and Adams. That way, even if Bell skips town after this season, they still have Adams for a few more years.

[Tryptamine]

The Padres really only have 3 trade chips(Bell, Adams,Ludwick). With as much help as they need, I'm not sure they move 2 of them for a single player even if he has the upside that Rasmus does.

[dew1679666265]

Jon Jay

.788 career OPS

1.4/1.4 WAR

-5.4 OF UZR

26 years old

 

Colby Rasmus

.774 career OPS

2.8/4.3/1.5 WAR

-1.9 OF UZR

24 years old

 

I realize Jay has a historic name, but trading Rasmus because you have Jay seems like really bad reasoning - even if it is just PR reasoning.

[TruffleShuffle]

hahaha check out this entry on jay's wikipedia page:

 

Jay is a notoriously gracious player, who often takes the time to connect with his fans on a personal level. A simple example of this was on June 7th, 2011 when a fan asked him to get a win for his birthday, and Jay took the time to wish him a happy birthday via Twitter. The fan, a high school student from California said that he "is glad that the Cardinals have players who enjoy taking the time to connect with their fans." The student, identified only as 'Reid' had also been wished a happy birthday by Jay's teammate, Adam Wainwright, two years prior. It is occurrences such as these that make the Cardinals organization such an amazing place for players like Jon Jay to grow and expand their horizons.

 

 

great wikipedia contribution 'reid'