2011 Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread (5/26 7:30pm CST - TNT)

[17 Seconds]

it cracks me up how blindly people will defend rose on here. especially consider they trash westbrook for the way he's playing.

[Sammy Sofa]

Damn, you are furious.

[17 Seconds]

Your trolling isn't on the level of imb/ssr. Just back down

 

What's your next move, to type in all caps to express heavy sarcasm? I know that's your go-to move

[Derwood]

"Hawks overcome Rose's 37% shooting; even series"

 

U MAD

 

U ORIGINAL

 

but yeah, i'm kind of upset that our MVP is kind of choking. you aren't?

 

Sure, but you seem more mad about how the media is reporting it than anything else

[Sammy Sofa]

Just pointing out the obvious. You're really, really angry right now.

[UMFan83]

Lebron was complete garbage yesterday and Kobe sucked dick after the 1st quarter today.

 

OMG A BAD GAME AND A BAD 3 QUARTERS

 

rose is having a bad POSTSEASON.

 

it's funny how i knew exactly what you'd be saying about rose's performance tonight before i even went back and read through the thread.

 

you seriously have to be the biggest rose homer of all time.

 

I wouldnt say Derrick Rose is having a bad postseason, considering a number of advanced metrics show improvement over his regular season performance, including PER (however you feel about the stat) and win shares per 48 minutes. That said, his TS% has plummeted and clearly doesn't pass the eye test. But bad postseason? no way.

 

PER is garbage. stop using it.

 

Rose is shooting 40% in the postseason. Ther'es is no way around it. He's having a bad postseason.

 

Unless of course you think chucking up 25-30 shots a game at 40% is somehow helping the team

 

OK, give all those shots to who exactly?

 

Also, Rose is averaging almost an identical points/FGA as he was in the regular season (1.26 regular season to 1.25).

 

Rose is creating offense out of nothing and that alone means he's having a good postseason. Even relative to expectations he's not having a bad postseason. Maybe mediocre or below average, but not bad at all.

 

I'm sorry but you are wrong here.

[UMFan83]

Also, because of the fact that the Bulls create so many extra possessions and shot attempts with their offensive rebounding, the shooting 40% isn't hurting nearly as much as you think it is.

 

I'm not saying its ok to take 32 shots, because its not at all. We wont win many games with Rose taking 32 shots. But you are overreacting a bit here.

Edited May 9, 2011 by UMFan83

[SpongeWorthy]

Rose is playing decently overall. He's not distancing himself from the pack or anything but is solidly with Durant, Lebron, Wade, etc. Yeah, he's shooting a lot but he's still been effective to downright amazing at times and sprinkled in with some bad...kinda like Kobe, Lebron, and most every other star does in the playoffs.

 

Dirk is the one that's separating himself from his peers and ZBo is making a push to be put in the same breath as these guys.

[17 Seconds]

Lebron was complete garbage yesterday and Kobe sucked dick after the 1st quarter today.

 

OMG A BAD GAME AND A BAD 3 QUARTERS

 

rose is having a bad POSTSEASON.

 

it's funny how i knew exactly what you'd be saying about rose's performance tonight before i even went back and read through the thread.

 

you seriously have to be the biggest rose homer of all time.

 

I wouldnt say Derrick Rose is having a bad postseason, considering a number of advanced metrics show improvement over his regular season performance, including PER (however you feel about the stat) and win shares per 48 minutes. That said, his TS% has plummeted and clearly doesn't pass the eye test. But bad postseason? no way.

 

PER is garbage. stop using it.

 

Rose is shooting 40% in the postseason. Ther'es is no way around it. He's having a bad postseason.

 

Unless of course you think chucking up 25-30 shots a game at 40% is somehow helping the team

 

OK, give all those shots to who exactly?

 

Also, Rose is averaging almost an identical points/FGA as he was in the regular season (1.26 regular season to 1.25).

 

Rose is creating offense out of nothing and that alone means he's having a good postseason. Even relative to expectations he's not having a bad postseason. Maybe mediocre or below average, but not bad at all.

 

I'm sorry but you are wrong here.

 

I'm criticizing him for taking all the shots and missing them, I'm not criticising the fact that he's taking them.

 

Rose is creating offense out of nothing and that alone means he's having a good postseason.

 

what exactly does this even mean? the bulls are averaging less points than they did in the regular season.

 

the bulls are averaging 95.1 points in the playoffs. guess where that would have ranked in the regular season? 27th

 

so yeah, the bulls offense has been horrible in the postseason. so what exactly is rose creating?

[Andy]

If no one is going to step up, and Korver is going to be ice cold, Rose is the best offense the Bulls have, even if he isn't shooting well. That speaks more to how one-dimensional the Bulls' offense is than anything.

 

Rose can't make the other guys want the ball. I don't want Rose to shoot 32 times either, but I also don't want guys who clearly have no interest in taking a big shot to shoot.

[17 Seconds]

Rose is playing decently overall. He's not distancing himself from the pack or anything but is solidly with Durant, Lebron, Wade, etc

 

You seriously believe that?

 

When Rose's FG% for the postseason gets within 6% of any of those guys, let me know.

[SpongeWorthy]

The Bulls have been an extremely good win-ugly type of team. Everyone that follows the team knows this. It's rare that a team that wins as much as the Bulls did this year isn't solidly in the top 10 in both defensive and offensive efficiency. They just hang their hats on defense and rebounding their asses off and the offense is of the JV quality let's just let Rose do everything because we don't have any better ideas.

 

When you put so much on one player to generate scoring it does allow the rest of your guys to focus all their energy on defense and rebounding. So there's that silver lining. It also looks downright putrid on offense at times. And it's also the reason why any apples to apples comparison between Rose and other stars (especially the young PGs) is pretty much completely off the mark.

[17 Seconds]

If no one is going to step up, and Korver is going to be ice cold, Rose is the best offense the Bulls have, even if he isn't shooting well. That speaks more to how one-dimensional the Bulls' offense is than anything.

 

Rose can't make the other guys want the ball. I don't want Rose to shoot 32 times either, but I also don't want guys who clearly have no interest in taking a big shot to shoot.

 

Again, I'm criticizing the fact that he's making the shots at such an innefficient rate

 

go ahead and take 28 shots if youre going to make like 13 of them. but he's not.

 

not criticizing his style of play, criticizing the fact that it's been brick city for him in the postseason.

 

but hey, he's D-ROSE

[17 Seconds]

The Bulls have been an extremely good win-ugly type of team. Everyone that follows the team knows this. It's rare that a team that wins as much as the Bulls did this year isn't solidly in the top 10 in both defensive and offensive efficiency. They just hang their hats on defense and rebounding their asses off and the offense is of the JV quality let's just let Rose do everything because we don't have any better ideas.

 

Bulls had the second best point differential in the NBA this season. That's winning ugly?

[Andy]

If no one is going to step up, and Korver is going to be ice cold, Rose is the best offense the Bulls have, even if he isn't shooting well. That speaks more to how one-dimensional the Bulls' offense is than anything.

 

Rose can't make the other guys want the ball. I don't want Rose to shoot 32 times either, but I also don't want guys who clearly have no interest in taking a big shot to shoot.

 

Again, I'm criticizing the fact that he's making the shots at such an innefficient rate

 

go ahead and take 28 shots if youre going to make like 13 of them. but he's not.

 

not criticizing his style of play, criticizing the fact that it's been brick city for him in the postseason.

 

but hey, he's D-ROSE

Obviously he isn't shooting well and no one here is happy with it. But what else can the team do but ride it out?

[SpongeWorthy]

Rose is playing decently overall. He's not distancing himself from the pack or anything but is solidly with Durant, Lebron, Wade, etc

 

You seriously believe that?

 

When Rose's FG% for the postseason gets within 6% of any of those guys, let me know.

 

When Rose has a second option in the same universe as Lebron (for DWade), Wade (for Lebron), or Russell Westbrook I'll entertain the idea that comparing FG%, a pretty bad stat to begin with, is a good platform for comparison.

[17 Seconds]

If no one is going to step up, and Korver is going to be ice cold, Rose is the best offense the Bulls have, even if he isn't shooting well. That speaks more to how one-dimensional the Bulls' offense is than anything.

 

Rose can't make the other guys want the ball. I don't want Rose to shoot 32 times either, but I also don't want guys who clearly have no interest in taking a big shot to shoot.

 

Again, I'm criticizing the fact that he's making the shots at such an innefficient rate

 

go ahead and take 28 shots if youre going to make like 13 of them. but he's not.

 

not criticizing his style of play, criticizing the fact that it's been brick city for him in the postseason.

 

but hey, he's D-ROSE

Obviously he isn't shooting well and no one here is happy with it. But what else can the team do but ride it out?

 

I don't know man, but that's not what I;m saying. I'm just pointing out that Rose is not performing like he needs to be, yet people don't want to admit it.

 

I love Rose of course, but I understand why fans of other teams are annoyed withth the lovefest surrounding him. He's like the golden boy that can't do any wrong.

 

I think it would help him to get some constructive criticism... maybe fire him up a little bit or something. I don't know. It's just annoying how everyone kisses his ass even when he doesn't deserve it.

[SpongeWorthy]

He blew some chippies (for him) that he normally makes. Not like he was jacking up a bunch of threes.

 

I honestly thought he was throttling it back on three pointers that he normally would've taken to press the drive.

[SpongeWorthy]

And there has to be a better way to get Korver looks than running him off of multiple screens so he can shoot contested 18 footers.

 

We never, ever go inside out by pounding it down low and punishing double teams by getting it to open shooters.

[imb]

He blew some chippies (for him) that he normally makes. Not like he was jacking up a bunch of threes.

 

I honestly thought he was throttling it back on three pointers that he normally would've taken to press the drive.

 

oh, so he can't shoot threes or making layups, MVP MVP MVP

[UMFan83]

You say you are mad because Rose isn't making shots at an efficient rate and apparently that's why he's had a bad postseason but as I mentioned before, he is scoring just as efficiently as he did in the regular season. One is vastly more important than the other. You can believe whatever you want to believe but there really isn't a valid argument here. Boozer is having a bad postseason. Gasoline had a bad postseason. Rose has had a fine postseason to this point.

[SpongeWorthy]

He blew some chippies (for him) that he normally makes. Not like he was jacking up a bunch of threes.

 

I honestly thought he was throttling it back on three pointers that he normally would've taken to press the drive.

 

oh, so he can't shoot threes or making layups, MVP MVP MVP

 

Don't forget that he lost on Mother's Day after making a big deal out of how much he loved and admired his mom

[imb]

He blew some chippies (for him) that he normally makes. Not like he was jacking up a bunch of threes.

 

I honestly thought he was throttling it back on three pointers that he normally would've taken to press the drive.

 

oh, so he can't shoot threes or making layups, MVP MVP MVP

 

Don't forget that he lost on Mother's Day after making a big deal out of how much he loved and admired his mom

 

he was just putting his mom in her place like barkley did

[SpongeWorthy]

Somebody during the Indiana series, I think it was Korver, said Thibs had installed like 150 new plays recently and that he'd hate to scout us because of all the different looks. Either Korver is lying his ass off to set a smoke screen or something is getting lost between the games and practice.

[SouthSideRyan]

He blew some chippies (for him) that he normally makes. Not like he was jacking up a bunch of threes.

 

I honestly thought he was throttling it back on three pointers that he normally would've taken to press the drive.

 

oh, so he can't shoot threes or making layups, MVP MVP MVP

 

Don't forget that he lost on Mother's Day after making a big deal out of how much he loved and admired his mom

 

At least he won't have to worry about disappointing his father on Father's Day.