2011 Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread (5/26 7:30pm CST - TNT)

[Flames24Rulz]

I wouldn't say that Deng can create his own shot. He's very effective when he's coming off of screens or slashing to the basket but as far as setting up his own shot? I've never really seen that type of play from Deng.

 

Deng and Noah are a couple of decent options for Rose, but they're far from superstars. I'm still inclined to believe that Boozer is a good player. He has to have an injury that is more significant than the "turf toe" he suffered last week. I don't understand how a 20-10 guy becomes so useless during the final month of the regular season and well into the playoffs.

 

And comparing Rondo to Iverson is just laughable. I mean we are talking about basketball, right?

[Sammy Sofa]

I love how Deng was singled out as being a "black British guy," as if it somehow was a flaw.

 

Really, that whole post should have been demolished.

[Sammy Sofa]

HUH. Edited May 5, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[ConstableRabbit]

i have no idea. give me another example of small point guard who shot the ball a lot, played on lousy teams for most of his career, then got traded when he was well past his prime. we can do some case studies then.

Steve Francis? Starbury?

[DivineBovine]

I wouldn't say that Deng can create his own shot. He's very effective when he's coming off of screens or slashing to the basket but as far as setting up his own shot? I've never really seen that type of play from Deng.

 

Deng and Noah are a couple of decent options for Rose, but they're far from superstars. I'm still inclined to believe that Boozer is a good player. He has to have an injury that is more significant than the "turf toe" he suffered last week. I don't understand how a 20-10 guy becomes so useless during the final month of the regular season and well into the playoffs.

 

And comparing Rondo to Iverson is just laughable. I mean we are talking about basketball, right?

 

 

It depends what "creating their own shot" means. If it means that you can get the ball when you're not open, dribble around someone, and then make a shot, then Deng can create his own shot. If it means that you can give someone the ball in isolation and ask them to score a critical basket at the end of a game, then no. But there are just a handful of guys in the entire league that can reliably do the latter. Some might even argue that LeBron isn't one of them.

[javy knows my name]

I wouldn't say that Deng can create his own shot. He's very effective when he's coming off of screens or slashing to the basket but as far as setting up his own shot? I've never really seen that type of play from Deng.

 

Deng and Noah are a couple of decent options for Rose, but they're far from superstars. I'm still inclined to believe that Boozer is a good player. He has to have an injury that is more significant than the "turf toe" he suffered last week. I don't understand how a 20-10 guy becomes so useless during the final month of the regular season and well into the playoffs.

 

And comparing Rondo to Iverson is just laughable. I mean we are talking about basketball, right?

 

 

It depends what "creating their own shot" means. If it means that you can get the ball when you're not open, dribble around someone, and then make a shot, then Deng can create his own shot. If it means that you can give someone the ball in isolation and ask them to score a critical basket at the end of a game, then no. But there are just a handful of guys in the entire league that can reliably do the latter. Some might even argue that LeBron isn't one of them.

 

It's somewhere between the two of those extremes. I think the general opinion is that Deng can't really create his own shot with any consistency because he's a (relatively) weak ballhandler.

 

I would agree that Lebron would not be the best "give-me-the-ball-in-isolation" guy on his own team, much less in the top few in the league.

[SouthSideRyan]

I would agree that Lebron would not be the best "give-me-the-ball-in-isolation" guy even on his own team

 

Well, there's no shame in not being as good an ISO player as DWade. Lebron's fine in isolation, end game struggles this year be damned.

[imb]

"Rose is the only player on the team that can create his own shot!"

 

*misses 70 percent of his created shots*

 

I'm pretty sure Watson could throw up 20 horrific bricks a night.

[javy knows my name]

I would agree that Lebron would not be the best "give-me-the-ball-in-isolation" guy even on his own team

 

Well, there's no shame in not being as good an ISO player as DWade. Lebron's fine in isolation, end game struggles this year be damned.

 

Yup, I edited it a bit. And I KNEW there was a more concise way of saying that.

[SpongeWorthy]

"Rose is the only player on the team that can create his own shot!"

 

*misses 70 percent of his created shots*

 

I'm pretty sure Watson could throw up 20 horrific bricks a night.

 

I know basketball is new to your neck of the woods but a bad perimeter player couldn't even get up 20 realistic attempts (no heaves, 35 footers, etc) every night in the NBA.

[SouthSideRyan]

Monta Ellis really deserved 2nd in the MVP voting.

[SpongeWorthy]

salient point

[imb]

"Rose is the only player on the team that can create his own shot!"

 

*misses 70 percent of his created shots*

 

I'm pretty sure Watson could throw up 20 horrific bricks a night.

 

I know basketball is new to your neck of the woods but a bad perimeter player couldn't even get up 20 realistic attempts (no heaves, 35 footers, etc) every night in the NBA.

 

A miss is a miss whether it comes after some breathtaking spin move or it's Thabo Bogans clanking an 18-footer.

[imb]

Does Rose get extra credit for bricking 1100 shots this year because he can jump really high? I'M NEW TO THIS SPORT.

[SpongeWorthy]

If you gave a Keith Bogans/Derek Fisher marching orders to get up 20 attempts every night or his contract would be voided he'd probably shoot in the 20s percentage wise.

[imb]

*tries to throw a bounce pass 70-feet between 4 defenders*

*is 8th turnover of the game*

HE'S CARRYING US ON HIS BACK

[Guest]

"Rose is the only player on the team that can create his own shot!"

 

*misses 70 percent of his created shots*

 

I'm pretty sure Watson could throw up 20 horrific bricks a night.

 

I know basketball is new to your neck of the woods but a bad perimeter player couldn't even get up 20 realistic attempts (no heaves, 35 footers, etc) every night in the NBA.

 

A miss is a miss whether it comes after some breathtaking spin move or it's Thabo Bogans clanking an 18-footer.

Not entirely. If you've got a player making a breathtaking spin move that draws three defenders and allows the big men to get position for offensive rebounds, that's definitely more valuable than an unguarded player clanging a long jumper.

 

That being said, I'd rather have the guy that makes 50+% of his shots in the first place.

[imb]

If you gave a Keith Bogans/Derek Fisher marching orders to get up 20 attempts every night or his contract would be voided he'd probably shoot in the 20s percentage wise.

 

So 7 percent less than Rose shot in Game 2?

 

8 percent less than Rose's postseason shooting percentage. You're right, that would be tough.

[Banedon]

If you gave a Keith Bogans/Derek Fisher marching orders to get up 20 attempts every night or his contract would be voided he'd probably shoot in the 20s percentage wise.

 

So 7 percent less than Rose shot in Game 2?

 

8 percent less than Rose's postseason shooting percentage. You're right, that would be tough.

 

Both of those would have him at 30%, not in the 20's. Duhhhh.

[imb]

If you gave a Keith Bogans/Derek Fisher marching orders to get up 20 attempts every night or his contract would be voided he'd probably shoot in the 20s percentage wise.

 

So 7 percent less than Rose shot in Game 2?

 

8 percent less than Rose's postseason shooting percentage. You're right, that would be tough.

 

Both of those would have him at 30%, not in the 20's. Duhhhh.

 

You're rounding up. That must be the extra credit.

[SpongeWorthy]

8% is a lot though

[Sammy Sofa]

imb is swatting down Bulls fans like their [expletive] doesn't even matter.

 

SSR...well, at least he's trying.

[imb]

8% is a lot though

 

8 percent is less than the difference between Rose (37%) and Rondo (46%)

[UMFan83]

What sucks is that Rose has shot 37% from the field his entire career, so this is the norm we will always see from him.

 

Bulls fans, we'll just have to accept Rondo as the better shooter and scorer.

Edited May 5, 2011 by UMFan83

[SpongeWorthy]

8% is a lot though

 

8 percent is less than the difference between Rose (37%) and Rondo (46%)

 

Also less than the difference in winning percentage between Chicago (.756) and OKC (.671)