2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Guest]

I was really hoping to go to this game and couldn't. And the Bulls play the Clippers well when I can't go.

[bukie]

I was really hoping to go to this game and couldn't. And the Bulls play the Clippers well when I can't go.

Thanks for that, then. Good to see the Bulls hand the Clips their worst home loss of the season.

[bukie]

Updated East NBA Finals odds via Hollinger:

 

1. Celtics: 25.9%

2. Orlando: 22.3%

3. Chicago: 22.2%

4. Miami: 22.1%

Rest of conference: 7.5%

 

Celtics with better than even odds of landing the 1 seed now, too (which makes sense with a 3 game lead with around 35 to play).

[Soul]

It's nice to think of the possibilities of this team + Noah.

 

There might be a bit of a transition period since he's been gone for so long and will probably be a little rusty. But there should be enough time to adjust.

 

I'm pretty excited right now. The only thing I'm worried about is Rose's level of stress/wear. Everyone wants him strong for the playoff run. Does that mean we give him more bench time and potentially sacrifice a few regular season wins?

[bukie]

Also, the Bulls have now beaten every Western team except San Antonio, New Orleans and Utah. They haven't played New Orleans and Utah yet, though.

[davell]

A buddy asked me this last night: Would you trade Rose to the Clippers for their next 10 1st round picks hypothetically?

 

I had to think about that, because could even the Clippers screw up Rose AND Griffin on the same team? I think they would, but I had to tell him no anyway, in the end.

[imb]

Has anyone ever looked better in an NBA uni than DRose looks in the black road version

 

No [expletive]

 

http://dl.thesource.com/content/44474_e1vvb42esget1_al.jpg

[mul21]

Has anyone ever looked better in an NBA uni than DRose looks in the black road version

 

No [expletive]

 

http://dl.thesource.com/content/44474_e1vvb42esget1_al.jpg

 

That has now taken the crown for worst uniform ever.

[Soul]

it represents our first All-Star starter since Jordan, I believe.

 

I think it's the best looking uni I've ever seen :)

[UMFan83]

I made a video last night about those 2 questional Boozer "foul" calls in the 4th quarter last night if anyone is interested in seeing how bad the calls were. The first video is one of the 5 worst foul calls I've ever seen. The 2nd one, I guess you could claim to have seen a pushoff. It would be incorrect but I can see how a ref would be deceived into thinking that.

 

- first foul

 

- second foul

[imb]

Did you get them confused? The first one is clearly a pushoff and was a legit foul. the second one seemed like it was the fault of that nameless clippers player for not being strong enough to box boozer out.

[KingCubsFan]

Did you get them confused? The first one is clearly a pushoff and was a legit foul. the second one seemed like it was the fault of that nameless clippers player for not being strong enough to box boozer out.

At least with the second one you can see why the ref would think it's a foul. If the first video is a true foul, the refs would have to call something almost every possession.

[imb]

Did you get them confused? The first one is clearly a pushoff and was a legit foul. the second one seemed like it was the fault of that nameless clippers player for not being strong enough to box boozer out.

At least with the second one you can see why the ref would think it's a foul. If the first video is a true foul, the refs would have to call something almost every possession.

 

he pushed off a guy with position and did it hard enough to extend his arm, the refs will call that every time.

 

the second one he just slammed into a smaller guy that wasnt strong enough to box him out.

 

I mean, I could see a ref letting the top one go, but acting like it's some flagrant abuse or something is pretty over the top

[UMFan83]

Admittedly I've only seen Bulls fan comments on it, but I have seen no one else that considers the first video to be a pushoff. He has his hand on the guy, but the ball goes directly to Boozer. He didn't need or use any sort of push off to secure the rebound IMO. There are probably 20 rebound opportunities with more behind the back contact than that in every NBA game.

 

To me this is what I see: Jordan has the better rebounding position on Boozer, he actually takes a step forward when the shot goes up and times his jump. The shot hits off the rim harder than expected and Jordan tries to arch his body backwards in a weak attempt to make up for his bad positioning for the ball. Boozer mainly just stands there, jumps and secures the rebound. I don't think its a conspiracy or anything. I just think it was a badly missed call.

Edited February 3, 2011 by UMFan83

[imb]

I guess it could have been a good flop job, but the guy goes flying out of the paint and boozer has his whole arm extended. If a ref sees that he's gonna call it.

[bukie]

Admittedly I've only seen Bulls fan comments on it, but I have seen no one else that considers the first video to be a pushoff. He has his hand on the guy, but the ball goes directly to Boozer. He didn't need or use any sort of push off to secure the rebound IMO. There are probably 20 rebound opportunities with more behind the back contact than that in every NBA game.

Even if it doesn't look as if he pushed off, he still has an obvious hand on the opponent's back, and extends his arm when he jumps backwards for the rebound. There's no reason for Boozer not to go up with both hands there.

[UMFan83]

Admittedly I've only seen Bulls fan comments on it, but I have seen no one else that considers the first video to be a pushoff. He has his hand on the guy, but the ball goes directly to Boozer. He didn't need or use any sort of push off to secure the rebound IMO. There are probably 20 rebound opportunities with more behind the back contact than that in every NBA game.

Even if it doesn't look as if he pushed off, he still has an obvious hand on the opponent's back, and extends his arm when he jumps backwards for the rebound. There's no reason for Boozer not to go up with both hands there.

 

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4338/flop.png

 

In this I see the following things, 1) Boozer's arm is almost completely extended while 2) at the same time Jordan shows no signs of being pushed as his back is straight and he is in the process of making a jump. 3) the ball is already well over the head of Jordan and heading right to where Boozer will jump immediately after this frame.

 

Probably pretty dumb to go frame by frame, but this is what I saw when the play originally happened. The foul immediately stood out to me as awful, but I wouldn't have thought much of it until that 2nd foul happened minutes later.

[ChiCubsFan]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Bulls interest in Anthony Parker and Courtney Lee?

 

I honestly have never paid much attention to either of them. Parker is old, has a bad back, but would probably cost next to nothing. He also shoots the 3 ball pretty well (.412 in his career). Lee is in his 3rd or 4th year in the league and has some talent, but the Rockets have said they want to include him in a larger deal. I guess they'd be upgrades over Bogans, but I'd rather acquire a legit 2 guard. Joe Johnson would have been so perfect for this team.

[imb]

Lol, three frames later, Jordan is flailing after being shoved and Boozer's arm is fully extended. Put that one up.

[UMFan83]

Lol, three frames later, Jordan is flailing after being shoved and Boozer's arm is fully extended. Put that one up.

 

Which I explained, he jumped, the ball went farther than he anticipated and he tried to bend backwards to get to it. From the position they are both in on the picture above, I see no way Boozer is able to shove a player who is already in the process of jumping, and then jump himself to secure the rebound.

 

Edit: Plus, when Boozer jumps, he is jumping backward to get the ball. It's fairly difficult to push someone one way while jumping backwards the other way.

Edited February 3, 2011 by UMFan83

[imb]

Lol, three frames later, Jordan is flailing after being shoved and Boozer's arm is fully extended. Put that one up.

 

Which I explained, he jumped, the ball went farther than he anticipated and he tried to bend backwards to get to it. From the position they are both in on the picture above, I see no way Boozer is able to shove a player who is already in the process of jumping, and then jump himself to secure the rebound.

 

you're deluding yourself or you're just being dumb, then, i guess.

[UMFan83]

Lol, three frames later, Jordan is flailing after being shoved and Boozer's arm is fully extended. Put that one up.

 

Which I explained, he jumped, the ball went farther than he anticipated and he tried to bend backwards to get to it. From the position they are both in on the picture above, I see no way Boozer is able to shove a player who is already in the process of jumping, and then jump himself to secure the rebound.

 

you're deluding yourself or you're just being dumb, then, i guess.

 

Or you don't agree with me and cannot explain your point well enough so your only other option is to call me dumb. You've explained your side, I've explained mine and theres no way to prove one way or another. So in a way I applaud your unconventional way of ending the argument.

[imb]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

[Guest]

Admittedly I've only seen Bulls fan comments on it, but I have seen no one else that considers the first video to be a pushoff. He has his hand on the guy, but the ball goes directly to Boozer. He didn't need or use any sort of push off to secure the rebound IMO. There are probably 20 rebound opportunities with more behind the back contact than that in every NBA game.

Even if it doesn't look as if he pushed off, he still has an obvious hand on the opponent's back, and extends his arm when he jumps backwards for the rebound. There's no reason for Boozer not to go up with both hands there.

 

Yeah, it's all about perception. Any time the ref sees an arm extended like that with the ball going over the head of the other player, they're likely going to call it, whether or not there was actually a significant push that affected the play.

[imb]

It's the basketball equivalent of holding. You could call it constantly if you wanted to, but complaining when you get caught is just asinine.