The Ryne Sandberg Thread

[imb]

I don't give a crap about who the manager is if Jim Hendry is still GM.

 

pretty much my thoughts exactly

[Wheelimus]

The only counter to that I can think of is that if Ryno were to become the manager, and if the 2011 Chicago Cubs are as terrible as I think they will be, I could see Ryno surviving because of his newness when Hendry is fired. The next GM could say something like "the one saving grace of a lost season was Sandberg really coming into his own as a manager blah blah blah".

[kujay]

The only counter to that I can think of is that if Ryno were to become the manager, and if the 2011 Chicago Cubs are as terrible as I think they will be, I could see Ryno surviving because of his newness when Hendry is fired. The next GM could say something like "the one saving grace of a lost season was Sandberg really coming into his own as a manager blah blah blah".

 

Count me in as being fine with this and pretty much anything, as long as Hendry goes.

[flyseye]

I don't give a crap about who the manager is if Jim Hendry is still GM.

 

pretty much my thoughts exactly

 

Let me third this one. It really doesn't matter.

 

Next years Hendry should be fired whipping boy probabilities:

 

Sandberg 85 %

Girardi 10%

Everyone else combined except Torre 5%

Torre 0%

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Frankly, I don't want Sandberg to manage the Cubs, and it's because I absolutely love Sandberg.

 

Ryno has been and always will be my favorite all-time Cub and favorite all-time player. I want those to always be the way I think of Sandberg. I want him to always be welcome as a part of the Cubs family with little to no bad blood. I want him to be a player that is always greeted positively by Cubs fans everywhere.

 

If he manages this team, all that could change. Surely, if the team is successful, his legacy will grow by leaps and bounds. If he fails, then what? How soon before the Cub-faithful turn on him? What happens if he ends up (which is likely at some point) being fired? Will he still be welcomed by Cub-fans everywhere?

 

Maybe my reasoning is off-base. Maybe not. I have no problem with Sandberg being part of the Cubs organization. I just don't want it to be in a lightning rod-like position like manager or GM.

[XZero771679666304]

Ryne Sandberg is my all-time favorite player. As a kid, I covered my walls with Sandberg posters, wore Sandberg jerseys, scoured shops for every Sandberg card I could get my hands on, emulated him as a player, and pretty much revered him. I felt stricken the day I come home from school and turned on the TV to find out he had retired.

 

That said, I don't care much for his philosophy, and don't want him anywhere near the manager's job. Regardless of how it would turn out, I don't think his rep would take much damage. I just think he'd be a horrible manager, and I don't want to have to resent him. In fact, I'd prefer it if he just keeps his mouth shut as much as possible.

[Magnetic Curses]

Frankly, I don't want Sandberg to manage the Cubs, and it's because I absolutely love Sandberg.

 

Ryno has been and always will be my favorite all-time Cub and favorite all-time player. I want those to always be the way I think of Sandberg. I want him to always be welcome as a part of the Cubs family with little to no bad blood. I want him to be a player that is always greeted positively by Cubs fans everywhere.

 

If he manages this team, all that could change. Surely, if the team is successful, his legacy will grow by leaps and bounds. If he fails, then what? How soon before the Cub-faithful turn on him? What happens if he ends up (which is likely at some point) being fired? Will he still be welcomed by Cub-fans everywhere?

 

Maybe my reasoning is off-base. Maybe not. I have no problem with Sandberg being part of the Cubs organization. I just don't want it to be in a lightning rod-like position like manager or GM.

 

 

it's a lose-lose situation. if he gets the job, he'll be fired, bitter, and hated, if he doesn't, he'll be be snubbed, bitter, and hated.

[XZero771679666304]

Frankly, I don't want Sandberg to manage the Cubs, and it's because I absolutely love Sandberg.

 

Ryno has been and always will be my favorite all-time Cub and favorite all-time player. I want those to always be the way I think of Sandberg. I want him to always be welcome as a part of the Cubs family with little to no bad blood. I want him to be a player that is always greeted positively by Cubs fans everywhere.

 

If he manages this team, all that could change. Surely, if the team is successful, his legacy will grow by leaps and bounds. If he fails, then what? How soon before the Cub-faithful turn on him? What happens if he ends up (which is likely at some point) being fired? Will he still be welcomed by Cub-fans everywhere?

 

Maybe my reasoning is off-base. Maybe not. I have no problem with Sandberg being part of the Cubs organization. I just don't want it to be in a lightning rod-like position like manager or GM.

 

 

it's a lose-lose situation. if he gets the job, he'll be fired, bitter, and hated, if he doesn't, he'll be be snubbed, bitter, and hated.

 

You really think so? I think Ryno is the kind of guy who would get a pass from the fans, and excuses made for him. I don't see him being hated by the fanbase unless something really strange happened.

[Magnetic Curses]

oh, i want him to be hated because he always bothered me

[cubsfan5150]

Frankly, I don't want Sandberg to manage the Cubs, and it's because I absolutely love Sandberg.

 

Ryno has been and always will be my favorite all-time Cub and favorite all-time player. I want those to always be the way I think of Sandberg. I want him to always be welcome as a part of the Cubs family with little to no bad blood. I want him to be a player that is always greeted positively by Cubs fans everywhere.

 

If he manages this team, all that could change. Surely, if the team is successful, his legacy will grow by leaps and bounds. If he fails, then what? How soon before the Cub-faithful turn on him? What happens if he ends up (which is likely at some point) being fired? Will he still be welcomed by Cub-fans everywhere?

 

Maybe my reasoning is off-base. Maybe not. I have no problem with Sandberg being part of the Cubs organization. I just don't want it to be in a lightning rod-like position like manager or GM.

 

I can see why some of you would feel this way. However, Dawson has always been my favorite player BY FAR, and I'd take him on the bench or in the front office immediately, and still love him all the same if he failed. We are Cubs fans, we are so used to failure, we should be immune to hating people because of it.

[ZipDog]

I enjoyed Gene Wojciechowski's column in ESPN.com today. And, I agree with him: Ryno should be hired as the next manager of the Cubs.

[17 Seconds]

I enjoyed Gene Wojciechowski's column in ESPN.com today. And, I agree with him: Ryno should be hired as the next manager of the Cubs.

 

You mean the article that gave absolutely zero actual reasoning for hiring him? The whole basis of that argument was cliche garbage like "Sandberg understands the Cubs" and "Sandberg has paid his dues".

 

I want a manager who actually understands what REALLY wins baseball games (hint: it's not bunting and "playing the game the right way")

[bhogg]

Frankly, I don't want Sandberg to manage the Cubs, and it's because I absolutely love Sandberg.

 

Ryno has been and always will be my favorite all-time Cub and favorite all-time player. I want those to always be the way I think of Sandberg. I want him to always be welcome as a part of the Cubs family with little to no bad blood. I want him to be a player that is always greeted positively by Cubs fans everywhere.

 

If he manages this team, all that could change. Surely, if the team is successful, his legacy will grow by leaps and bounds. If he fails, then what? How soon before the Cub-faithful turn on him? What happens if he ends up (which is likely at some point) being fired? Will he still be welcomed by Cub-fans everywhere?

 

Maybe my reasoning is off-base. Maybe not. I have no problem with Sandberg being part of the Cubs organization. I just don't want it to be in a lightning rod-like position like manager or GM.

 

 

My thoughts exactly. I love Ryno. Hell, I named my kid after him. I'm not thrilled with the thought of wanting him to be fired in 3 or 4 years (or sooner).

 

I've never thought of him as the manager type. . . bench coach or hitting coach I could see.

[Sammy Sofa]

Once again, it's not just his HOF speech. It's basically every interview he's given over the last few years and the articles he wrote for Yahoo.

 

And that he's never coached at the ML level. That should be the most glaring and obvious argument against him.

 

 

Niether did Joe Girardi when he took over his first team. Not a Sandberg supporter but that argument might be out

 

Wasn't Girardi bench coach for Torre for a season before becomming a manager?

 

 

I wouldn't call that extensive major league experience, his promotion was a bit of a shock, but supposedly the catcher makes the best managers

 

You're missing the point; Girardi had at least some experience as a coach in the bigs before becoming a manager. I'd feel a lot better about Sandberg if he did the same and spent 1-2 seasons as a coach on the ML level before taking over.

[rynefan]

I'm dealing with extreme mixed emotions on Ryno becoming our next manager. On one hand, the man was my idol growing up and probably the only reason I'm a Cubs fan or, hell, might as well just say baseball fan. On special days I just have to rock my #23 jersey.

 

At the same time I cannot remember the last Cub manager I didn't grow to hate. So it's going to be strange to wind up hating my idol.

 

All that said I'll certainly be first in line to give him a fair shot if he gets the job.

 

Same here, exactly. He was my favorite player, kept me into the Cubs. Started collecting his cards and have about 400 different ones. Do I want him to become manager? Not sure. As said above, I hate for anything to ruin the good memories, but there's a small part of me that can't think of anything cooler as a Cubs fan than Sandberg managing the team to a WS victory. For that slim chance alone, I'd kind of like to see him get a shot.

[rynefan]

Frankly, I don't want Sandberg to manage the Cubs, and it's because I absolutely love Sandberg.

 

Ryno has been and always will be my favorite all-time Cub and favorite all-time player. I want those to always be the way I think of Sandberg. I want him to always be welcome as a part of the Cubs family with little to no bad blood. I want him to be a player that is always greeted positively by Cubs fans everywhere.

 

If he manages this team, all that could change. Surely, if the team is successful, his legacy will grow by leaps and bounds. If he fails, then what? How soon before the Cub-faithful turn on him? What happens if he ends up (which is likely at some point) being fired? Will he still be welcomed by Cub-fans everywhere?

 

Maybe my reasoning is off-base. Maybe not. I have no problem with Sandberg being part of the Cubs organization. I just don't want it to be in a lightning rod-like position like manager or GM.

 

 

My thoughts exactly. I love Ryno. Hell, I named my kid after him. I'm not thrilled with the thought of wanting him to be fired in 3 or 4 years (or sooner).

 

I've never thought of him as the manager type. . . bench coach or hitting coach I could see.

 

LOL, named my kid after him, too, and let me tell you, it was a great choice. He's loved the name and through all the mispronunciations of it, has always thought it was cool.

[Rob]

As if it couldn't suck enough to hire a manager that openly mocks sabermetric principles, we'd have to hire the one that was my favorite childhood player... That'll teach me.

[dew1679666265]

I was always a big Mike Perez fan. I have no idea why, other than he might have been on the mound for the first ever Cubs game I watched. And I guess by always I mean for two seasons.

 

Probably my first true favorite Cubs player was Kerry Wood. I remember listening with bated breath along with Harry when Steve Stone would update people on Kerry and Steve Rain's progress through the minors.

 

As a little kid, my favorite player was probably David Justice since we went to so many Braves games. I liked Ron Gant as well.

[imb]

I was always a big Mike Perez fan. I have no idea why, other than he might have been on the mound for the first ever Cubs game I watched. And I guess by always I mean for two seasons.

 

Probably my first true favorite Cubs player was Kerry Wood. I remember listening with bated breath along with Harry when Steve Stone would update people on Kerry and Steve Rain's progress through the minors.

 

As a little kid, my favorite player was probably David Justice since we went to so many Braves games. I liked Ron Gant as well.

 

i spent so much (relatively) money as a kid trying to get that frigging ron gant fleer rookie card

[XZero771679666304]

My formative baseball years (where I went from being a little kid liking the Cubs b/c I was supposed to into really becoming a serious fan) were probably about '87-'91. So it was Sandberg/Dawson/Grace/Maddux with Sandberg my clear favorite. If you put a face on my maturation into serious Cubs fanhood, it would be Sandberg's.

 

Having said that, Sandberg didn't put me into that grinning-childlike-in-awe state nearly as much as watching Sammy Sosa did. But it is still my Ryne Sandberg memories that I identify most with my being a Cubs fan.

 

I'd just rather have my memory of him go sour because I resent him for being an awful manager. His HOF speech already delivered a hit to my perception of him.

[Rob]

I've still got dozens of Doug Dascenzo cards... try finding anybody in grade school who wants to trade for that one. I think Topps was stacking the packs with those...

[Rob]

I was always a big Mike Perez fan. I have no idea why, other than he might have been on the mound for the first ever Cubs game I watched. And I guess by always I mean for two seasons.

 

Probably my first true favorite Cubs player was Kerry Wood. I remember listening with bated breath along with Harry when Steve Stone would update people on Kerry and Steve Rain's progress through the minors.

 

As a little kid, my favorite player was probably David Justice since we went to so many Braves games. I liked Ron Gant as well.

 

i spent so much (relatively) money as a kid trying to get that frigging ron gant fleer rookie card

 

My first "major" purchase as a kid was saving up to buy one of the full boxes of cards, instead of just 2-3 packs at a time.

[Rob]

I was always a big Mike Perez fan. I have no idea why, other than he might have been on the mound for the first ever Cubs game I watched. And I guess by always I mean for two seasons.

 

Probably my first true favorite Cubs player was Kerry Wood. I remember listening with bated breath along with Harry when Steve Stone would update people on Kerry and Steve Rain's progress through the minors.

 

As a little kid, my favorite player was probably David Justice since we went to so many Braves games. I liked Ron Gant as well.

 

i spent so much (relatively) money as a kid trying to get that frigging ron gant fleer rookie card

 

My first "major" purchase as a kid was saving up to buy one of the full boxes of cards, instead of just 2-3 packs at a time.

[RynoRules]

Once again, it's not just his HOF speech. It's basically every interview he's given over the last few years and the articles he wrote for Yahoo.

 

And that he's never coached at the ML level. That should be the most glaring and obvious argument against him.

 

Fair point. Let's just stick to the interviews and leave the HOF speech out of it then.

 

I love Ryno enough that don't want him to manage a team where Jim Hendry provides the players.

[dew1679666265]

I was always a big Mike Perez fan. I have no idea why, other than he might have been on the mound for the first ever Cubs game I watched. And I guess by always I mean for two seasons.

 

Probably my first true favorite Cubs player was Kerry Wood. I remember listening with bated breath along with Harry when Steve Stone would update people on Kerry and Steve Rain's progress through the minors.

 

As a little kid, my favorite player was probably David Justice since we went to so many Braves games. I liked Ron Gant as well.

 

i spent so much (relatively) money as a kid trying to get that frigging ron gant fleer rookie card

 

I never got heavily into collecting baseball cards, but my brother did when he was younger. I inherited his collection which didn't include a lot of big names, but did have some awesome guys like Damon Berryhill. I still have those baseball cards at home somewhere.