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[chuckywang]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

I would accept it with open arms. Unfortunately, there can only be one team that does it the Steinbrenner way, by definition, since that way is to spend a crap ton more than every single other team.

[C.C.]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

Yes you would.

[Tracer Bullet]

i can't believe the point of my post was missed so wildly.

[chuckywang]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

I would accept it with open arms. Unfortunately, there can only be one team that does it the Steinbrenner way, by definition, since that way is to spend a crap ton more than every single other team.

 

Technically, you could have one in both the AL and NL.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

I would accept it with open arms. Unfortunately, there can only be one team that does it the Steinbrenner way, by definition, since that way is to spend a crap ton more than every single other team.

 

Technically, you could have one in both the AL and NL.

 

no you couldn't. teams from both leagues fight for the same players (except DH-only types).

[chuckywang]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

I would accept it with open arms. Unfortunately, there can only be one team that does it the Steinbrenner way, by definition, since that way is to spend a crap ton more than every single other team.

 

Technically, you could have one in both the AL and NL.

 

no you couldn't. teams from both leagues fight for the same players (except DH-only types).

 

So? A NL team could still spend a crap-ton more than every other NL team. There's more than one good player at each position.

[Guest]

i can't believe the point of my post was missed so wildly.

I didn't miss it.

 

Your point was Steinbrenner is a meddling owner and meddling owners are bad. My point was your point is full of [expletive].

 

Andy Pettitte has more world series rings than t's in his name. And it's not solely b/c they spend more than everyone else. The early Jeter teams weren't that expensive.

 

I want an owner who is more concerned with winning than making a profit. I want an owner who is not afraid to put people on notice for poor performance. I don't want a country club type who yucks it up in the bleachers than goes on vacation during the middle of his first season. And I don't particularly care that there are other "family members". He's the CEO.

[Soul]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

Yes you would.

 

I'd accept it. There are many things I would deal with to win a WS title, at this point. Many.

[chuckywang]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

Yes you would.

 

I'd accept it. There are many things I would deal with to win a WS title, at this point. Many.

 

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

[ConstableRabbit]

i can't believe the point of my post was missed so wildly.

I didn't miss it.

 

Your point was Steinbrenner is a meddling owner and meddling owners are bad. My point was your point is full of [expletive].

 

Andy Pettitte has more world series rings than t's in his name. And it's not solely b/c they spend more than everyone else. The early Jeter teams weren't that expensive.

 

I want an owner who is more concerned with winning than making a profit. I want an owner who is not afraid to put people on notice for poor performance. I don't want a country club type who yucks it up in the bleachers than goes on vacation during the middle of his first season. And I don't particularly care that there are other "family members". He's the CEO.

I was almost positive you were exaggerating until I checked it myself. Didn't realize he had five... unbelievable.

[Banedon]

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

 

I'll bite. What "should" it be about? And how does Steinbrenner sell that out?

 

It's a professional sport...it's about winning. (After making a buck that is...)

[C.C.]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

Yes you would.

 

I'd accept it. There are many things I would deal with to win a WS title, at this point. Many.

 

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

 

Yes, and my left nut.

[J.R.]

I want an owner who is more concerned with winning than making a profit. I want an owner who is not afraid to put people on notice for poor performance. I don't want a country club type who yucks it up in the bleachers than goes on vacation during the middle of his first season. And I don't particularly care that there are other "family members". He's the CEO.

 

+1.

 

Lou should fear Ricketts' reprisal at least enough to avoid making bonehead statements to the press. He should have been fired, from the top if necessary, the moment he said "I don't know what to do" in public. The ridiculous commentary and the insane lineups should not be tolerated by the Chicago Cubs, if this is indeed "YEAR ONE."

 

Ricketts said he wanted the Cubs to be a first-rate organization. The New York Yankees are his only competition if that's the case, and the Steinbrenners sure as hell aren't taking off for the jungle while there is baseball to be played.

 

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

 

What is baseball supposed to be about?

[Guest]

The point was not "we don't want the exact person of George Steinbrenner making every decision George Steinbrenner has ever made as owner". It's that we don't want someone who will interfere with the actions of the team on the scale that Steinbrenner has. It's a false choice to paint an owner as Steinbrenner or yuppie who doesn't care, there is middle ground.

 

PS - the Yankees have been #1 or 2 in MLB in payroll for the last 16 years, being #2 only 3 of those years.

[jersey cubs fan]

i can't believe the point of my post was missed so wildly.

I didn't miss it.

 

Your point was Steinbrenner is a meddling owner and meddling owners are bad. My point was your point is full of [expletive].

 

Andy Pettitte has more world series rings than t's in his name. And it's not solely b/c they spend more than everyone else. The early Jeter teams weren't that expensive.

 

I want an owner who is more concerned with winning than making a profit. I want an owner who is not afraid to put people on notice for poor performance. I don't want a country club type who yucks it up in the bleachers than goes on vacation during the middle of his first season. And I don't particularly care that there are other "family members". He's the CEO.

 

A) How absurd of you to fall back on the taking a vacation line.

B) Don't fall for the happy horsecrap that Steinbrenner's profit line is wins or whatever, nonsense, they make money, plenty of it.

C) Steinbrenner spends next to zero time in NY. It doesn't matter where the hell the owner is located.

[Soul]

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

 

I'll bite. What "should" it be about? And how does Steinbrenner sell that out?

 

It's a professional sport...it's about winning. (After making a buck that is...)

 

Indeed. Do tell, chuck.

[J.R.]

Steinbrenner spends next to zero time in NY. It doesn't matter where the hell the owner is located.

 

He is an invalid. The boys are running the show.

[jersey cubs fan]

Steinbrenner spends next to zero time in NY. It doesn't matter where the hell the owner is located.

 

He is an invalid. The boys are running the show.

 

He was never in NY when that team was winning in the 90's and earlier this decade.

 

 

Worrying about Ricketts whereabouts is stupid.

[J.R.]

Steinbrenner spends next to zero time in NY. It doesn't matter where the hell the owner is located.

 

He is an invalid. The boys are running the show.

 

He was never in NY when that team was winning in the 90's and earlier this decade.

 

 

Worrying about Ricketts whereabouts is stupid.

 

There were plenty of direct flights to NY from his whereabouts, and it was clear that he was watching the games.

 

Ricketts is taking pictures of giraffes a world away. There is a difference.

[fiver]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

What Steinbrenner does is disgusting. It is downright un-American. I will not accept a World Series done the "Steinbrenner way".

 

Yes you would.

 

I'd accept it. There are many things I would deal with to win a WS title, at this point. Many.

 

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

 

I'd love to root for a team known for getting the most wins per dollar spent while regularly winning the World Series....However, I don't think Steinbrenner 'sold out' or was un-American. The Yankees have revenue streams that allow for that much cash to be put back into the product. I guess I just don't see how exploiting a competitive advantage is un-American.

[chuckywang]

So basically you two would sell out everything baseball should be about in order to win a World Series. Good to know.

 

I'll bite. What "should" it be about? And how does Steinbrenner sell that out?

 

It's a professional sport...it's about winning. (After making a buck that is...)

 

Indeed. Do tell, chuck.

 

In short, competitive balance. When you have a team spending over 4x on player's salaries as another team, how is that fair? You see it all the time in sports when the big guys bully the little guys. You see it in European soccer. You see it in racing. You see it in the BCS. This is no different. How is it fair for a franchise to have top notch management, do things the right way, develop the right players, but still can't compete at all because the big spenders will snatch up all your players the minute they become free agents?

[J.R.]

Life isn't fair.

[chuckywang]

Life isn't fair.

 

We're talking about sports here.

[dew1679666265]

I didn't miss it.

 

Your point was Steinbrenner is a meddling owner and meddling owners are bad. My point was your point is full of [expletive].

 

Andy Pettitte has more world series rings than t's in his name. And it's not solely b/c they spend more than everyone else. The early Jeter teams weren't that expensive.

 

I want an owner who is more concerned with winning than making a profit. I want an owner who is not afraid to put people on notice for poor performance. I don't want a country club type who yucks it up in the bleachers than goes on vacation during the middle of his first season. And I don't particularly care that there are other "family members". He's the CEO.

 

They weren't otherworldly, but the 96 Yankees still had the highest payroll in baseball (by about $3-4 mil over the Braves). The 99 team also had about a $7 mil advantage over the Rangers as the highest payroll in the majors. Their $92 million payroll in 2000 was only a couple million higher than the Dodgers' payroll, however.

 

While the huge gap between the Yankees and everybody else is rather new, the Steinbrenners have always won primarily by outspending everybody else. And I'm sure the Steinbrenners make a very good profit on the Yankees (including merchandising, TV, radio, etc) or else the payroll would be lower.