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[Sammy Sofa]

Ricketts was the one that gave Hendry the extension through 2012, so while I totally expect Lou to be gone, I'm actually preparing myself for Hendry to still be here next year. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

Hendry's extension happened under Zell and the Tribune in the fall of 2008.

[Banedon]

Ricketts was the one that gave Hendry the extension through 2012, so while I totally expect Lou to be gone, I'm actually preparing myself for Hendry to still be here next year. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

Ricketts just bought the team. How could you possibly think that Ricketts gave Hendry an extension?

[Tracer Bullet]

Honestly, I don't care if the owner goes to Antarctica for the whole season. The further the owner stays away from meddling, the better off the organization should be. The only thing he can reasonably be expected to do is fire Hendry. If he's decided that he's not going to do that this season, that's perfectly reasonable, and if Hendry decided to rob a jewelry store or something, he's not the only owner, and is certainly able to receive communication and leave if he needs to.

 

I mean, if there has to be some sort of intervention regarding Z, do you really think that Ricketts is so essential that Hendry and Kenney wouldn't be sufficient? The Cubs were owned by a freaking faceless corporation for decades, why on earth would it be a problem now for one of the members of the family to go on vacation during the season?

 

TT's ability to be right and say it so well is uncanny. I can't believe we're really wishing for a Steinbrenner situation. We do not want a meddling owner.

[Tracer Bullet]

Show up. Make a statement. Fire people.

 

I really want him to fire people.

 

JR - Hendry very likely won't be fired mid-season. So I don't think Ricketts is going to do what you really want him to do. Thus, there's no reason to want him to meddle in other stuff. I think you just want Hendry fired (as do I), but since you know that won't happen, you're just looking for anything to happen b/c you're frustrated. I can't believe you'd truly want a meddling owner.

[J.R.]

Piniella is the primary target of my anger at this point. Canning Lou would be an easy, low-risk move that may make a difference, and the club would be completely justified in doing so. If it takes a meddling owner to make it happen, then so be it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Piniella is the primary target of my anger at this point. Canning Lou would be an easy, low-risk move that may make a difference, and the club would be completely justified in doing so. If it takes a meddling owner to make it happen, then so be it.

 

So you want somebody else to manage Jim Hendry's team and maybe make it back to .500 by the end of the season? What is the point of this? Lou leaves a lot to be desired, but it's still Jim Hendry's Cubs once again proving mediocrity is sometimes an overly optimistic goal.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's also a largely pointless move since the team is so bad and Lou's contract is up at the end of the year. Why saddle someone else with this team in the meantime? The interim manager would likely be Trammel, and unless the team has some kind of miracle turnaround, why scrap the team's ability to keep him on after Lou is gone if they and he want to?

[Tracer Bullet]

Piniella is the primary target of my anger at this point. Canning Lou would be an easy, low-risk move that may make a difference, and the club would be completely justified in doing so. If it takes a meddling owner to make it happen, then so be it.

 

Really? I mean, he's inept, for sure. But he's not ruining any stud arms or stunting some great prospect's development, so he's harmless. I could manage the Cubs the rest of this season and you probably wouldn't notice much difference.

[J.R.]

If he's inept, then why not hold him accountable? Managers are not sacred cows.

 

Like it or not, it seems the organization has intentions regarding Sandberg. It would be advantageous to see what we have in Trammel before making that call.

[Tracer Bullet]

If he's inept, then why not hold him accountable? Managers are not sacred cows.

 

Like it or not, it seems the organization has intentions regarding Sandberg. It would be advantageous to see what we have in Trammel before making that call.

 

b/c what does 3 months with crap team that doesn't care tell you about a manager? All it does is give the Sandberg-lovers some evidence that Trammel won't do any good as manager.

 

I don't think managers are sacred cows by any stretch. But the manager isn't going to improve the team in any way (in chances of making the playoffs, or in player development). And if giving Trammel the reins now would improve his chances of getting the gig full time, I'd support it. I just don't think that's true.

[Sammy Sofa]

If he's inept, then why not hold him accountable? Managers are not sacred cows.

 

Like it or not, it seems the organization has intentions regarding Sandberg. It would be advantageous to see what we have in Trammel before making that call.

 

b/c what does 3 months with crap team that doesn't care tell you about a manager? All it does is give the Sandberg-lovers some evidence that Trammel won't do any good as manager.

 

I don't think managers are sacred cows by any stretch. But the manager isn't going to improve the team in any way (in chances of making the playoffs, or in player development). And if giving Trammel the reins now would improve his chances of getting the gig full time, I'd support it. I just don't think that's true.

 

Right. Turning the team over to Trammel does nothing except all but ensure that Trammel will have nothing to do with the team next season. I can't stand Lou, but the time when firing him might have made any kind of an impact on the team has passed. If it still happens before the end of the season, hey, I'm not complaining...but if it doesn't, oh well. The only thing I really want to see is Hendry fired after this season limps to a close.

[jersey cubs fan]

If he's inept, then why not hold him accountable? Managers are not sacred cows.

 

Like it or not, it seems the organization has intentions regarding Sandberg. It would be advantageous to see what we have in Trammel before making that call.

 

b/c what does 3 months with crap team that doesn't care tell you about a manager? All it does is give the Sandberg-lovers some evidence that Trammel won't do any good as manager.

 

I don't think managers are sacred cows by any stretch. But the manager isn't going to improve the team in any way (in chances of making the playoffs, or in player development). And if giving Trammel the reins now would improve his chances of getting the gig full time, I'd support it. I just don't think that's true.

 

Right. Turning the team over to Trammel does nothing except all but ensure that Trammel will have nothing to do with the team next season. I can't stand Lou, but the time when firing him might have made any kind of an impact on the team has passed. If it still happens before the end of the season, hey, I'm not complaining...but if it doesn't, oh well. The only thing I really want to see is Hendry fired after this season limps to a close.

 

I'm hoping that happens sometime in September. Just to get a head start on bringing in the new guy.

[Sammy Sofa]

If he's inept, then why not hold him accountable? Managers are not sacred cows.

 

Like it or not, it seems the organization has intentions regarding Sandberg. It would be advantageous to see what we have in Trammel before making that call.

 

b/c what does 3 months with crap team that doesn't care tell you about a manager? All it does is give the Sandberg-lovers some evidence that Trammel won't do any good as manager.

 

I don't think managers are sacred cows by any stretch. But the manager isn't going to improve the team in any way (in chances of making the playoffs, or in player development). And if giving Trammel the reins now would improve his chances of getting the gig full time, I'd support it. I just don't think that's true.

 

Right. Turning the team over to Trammel does nothing except all but ensure that Trammel will have nothing to do with the team next season. I can't stand Lou, but the time when firing him might have made any kind of an impact on the team has passed. If it still happens before the end of the season, hey, I'm not complaining...but if it doesn't, oh well. The only thing I really want to see is Hendry fired after this season limps to a close.

 

I'm hoping that happens sometime in September. Just to get a head start on bringing in the new guy.

 

Oh, we can dream. At the very least I'd love to see him bounced out the door the day after the Cubs' regular season finishes. Or whenever they're mathematically eliminated.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, we can dream. At the very least I'd love to see him bounced out the door the day after the Cubs' regular season finishes. Or whenever they're mathematically eliminated.

 

Should be a part of fan appreciation weekend, the last homestand when the announcers are just talking about all the cameramen and crap like that. Make a big to do about it.

[treebird]

if the cubs were cool they'd fire piniella and bring up sandberg right now. burn through him this year, say it didn't work out, and then move along to someone reasonable for next year.

 

let's get some good out of this terrible team.

 

although, now that i say that, he'd probably pull a tyler colvin and be good in a season that doesn't matter for exactly as long as it takes to get us to make him a major part of our future plans.

[erik316wttn]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

[jersey cubs fan]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

 

You don't think he has a feel for the team, having spent several years with them already?

[erik316wttn]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

 

You don't think he has a feel for the team, having spent several years with them already?

 

I suppose he does. I don't know, I just want Lou gone and I don't buy this "Well, the season's gone anyway so you might as well let him finish it out" talk. It's the talk of someone who really doesn't give a damn. If he's not performing, can him and bring in someone else. Managers are replaceable. Let Trammel take over and see what he can get out of them. It'll help toward making a managerial decision for next year. What harm could come of it?

[Tracer Bullet]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

 

You don't think he has a feel for the team, having spent several years with them already?

 

I suppose he does. I don't know, I just want Lou gone and I don't buy this "Well, the season's gone anyway so you might as well let him finish it out" talk. It's the talk of someone who really doesn't give a damn. If he's not performing, can him and bring in someone else. Managers are replaceable. Let Trammel take over and see what he can get out of them. It'll help toward making a managerial decision for next year. What harm could come of it?

 

did you miss the part where we suggested it would give fuel to the "well, Trammel can't cut it, looks like Sandberg is our man" crowd?

 

seriously, Lou isn't harming the team or any players. What good could come from putting another guy in charge of a sinking ship full of veterans?

[erik316wttn]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

 

You don't think he has a feel for the team, having spent several years with them already?

 

I suppose he does. I don't know, I just want Lou gone and I don't buy this "Well, the season's gone anyway so you might as well let him finish it out" talk. It's the talk of someone who really doesn't give a damn. If he's not performing, can him and bring in someone else. Managers are replaceable. Let Trammel take over and see what he can get out of them. It'll help toward making a managerial decision for next year. What harm could come of it?

 

did you miss the part where we suggested it would give fuel to the "well, Trammel can't cut it, looks like Sandberg is our man" crowd?

 

seriously, Lou isn't harming the team or any players. What good could come from putting another guy in charge of a sinking ship full of veterans?

 

Really?

[jersey cubs fan]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

 

You don't think he has a feel for the team, having spent several years with them already?

 

I suppose he does. I don't know, I just want Lou gone and I don't buy this "Well, the season's gone anyway so you might as well let him finish it out" talk. It's the talk of someone who really doesn't give a damn. If he's not performing, can him and bring in someone else. Managers are replaceable. Let Trammel take over and see what he can get out of them. It'll help toward making a managerial decision for next year. What harm could come of it?

 

Potential harm is that Trammel is saddled with the crappy 2010 Cubs, they continue to lose, he then doesn't get a real shot at the job for the future, opening up the risk of hiring a lesser candidate.

 

I'm certainly not going to be upset if Lou gets canned, I just see very little upside.

 

If Hendry is allowed to make the replacement, it will be a travesty. I'd hate to see them can Lou, then stick with Jim for the duration and cause me to worry about him coming back again next year.

 

If they make a move, drop the bomb and kill them all.

[Tracer Bullet]

They know Trammel's managing philosophies from the terrible Tigers teams he inherited. Why not throw him in midseason and let him get the feel of this team so he can take over next year?

 

You don't think he has a feel for the team, having spent several years with them already?

 

I suppose he does. I don't know, I just want Lou gone and I don't buy this "Well, the season's gone anyway so you might as well let him finish it out" talk. It's the talk of someone who really doesn't give a damn. If he's not performing, can him and bring in someone else. Managers are replaceable. Let Trammel take over and see what he can get out of them. It'll help toward making a managerial decision for next year. What harm could come of it?

 

did you miss the part where we suggested it would give fuel to the "well, Trammel can't cut it, looks like Sandberg is our man" crowd?

 

seriously, Lou isn't harming the team or any players. What good could come from putting another guy in charge of a sinking ship full of veterans?

 

Really?

 

Really. He's not helping them win, but he's not costing them enough to make a significant difference here on in. Even if Lou were the primary reason we're in 4th place, it's too late for a new manager to make much difference. Maybe if it were April, it would be worth it. But we're 3 days from July. A new manager isn't going to make us play like a .600 club here on in. We're closer to last than first at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Plus there's still a chance they can get a top five draft pick out of this season. Only 3.5 games seperate them.

[Guest]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

[dew1679666265]

I'll take a Steinbrenner any day of the week. Winning IS there bottom line.

 

To win the Steinbrenner way, though, you have to have very, very deep pockets to do it. There's not many organizations, I'd say, that can be profitable with a $230+ million payroll.

 

If there were, I think we'd see more teams in that area.