2011 Draft Discussion

[seanhopper]

Keith Law reported:

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Surprising --I believe most mock drafts have Springer going in the middle of the 1st round and I don't see a college outfielder being an area of need for the Cubs.

[Guest]

Keith Law reported:

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Surprising --I believe most mock drafts have Springer going in the middle of the 1st round and I don't see a college outfielder being an area of need for the Cubs.

 

Not really a big surprise, he's a big time athlete who can play CF (Wilken loves those types of players) and you don't draft based on need but based on BPA.

[JeffH]

Springer? At #9? In this draft?

 

That would be horrible and yet another reason to fire Hendry immediately.

[Sammy Sofa]

Springer? At #9? In this draft?

 

That would be horrible and yet another reason to fire Hendry immediately.

 

Why Hendry instead of Wilken?

[JeffH]

Springer? At #9? In this draft?

 

That would be horrible and yet another reason to fire Hendry immediately.

 

Why Hendry instead of Wilken?

 

Both.

[Sammy Sofa]

You are a tough guy to please.

[TruffleShuffle]

maybe the H in JeffH stands for Hendry, it's actually Jim's son and is always pining for Jim to be fired he wants to spend more time with his dad.

[JeffH]

You are a tough guy to please.

 

I guess so, due to my unreasonable expectation that the Chicago Cubs not be the laughingstock of MLB.

[Guest]

You are a tough guy to please.

 

I guess so, due to my unreasonable expectation that the Chicago Cubs not be the laughingstock of MLB.

 

Did you forget about the Dodgers?

[Little Slide Rooter]

You are a tough guy to please.

 

I guess so, due to my unreasonable expectation that the Chicago Cubs not be the laughingstock of MLB.

 

Did you forget about the Dodgers?

 

Dodgers have a better excuse.

[Sammy Sofa]

You are a tough guy to please.

 

I guess so, due to my unreasonable expectation that the Chicago Cubs not be the laughingstock of MLB.

 

So you've been like this towards the Cubs your entire life? Seems very stressful.

[Tryptamine]

While not to the extreme of JeffH I can understand where he's coming from. With a draft this loaded, the Cubs would almost have to try to mess up the first pick. One of Bauer/Gray/Starling etc will be there and that makes it a no brainer. Going for an inexplicable reach in a draft like this would have me more than slightly pissed off.

[Guest]

While not to the extreme of JeffH I can understand where he's coming from. With a draft this loaded, the Cubs would almost have to try to mess up the first pick. One of Bauer/Gray/Starling etc will be there and that makes it a no brainer. Going for an inexplicable reach in a draft like this would have me more than slightly pissed off.

 

The DBacks (7) and Indians (8) have also been scouting Springer. Given the players linked to the Cubs (Lindor, Starling, Gray, Meyer, Bundy and A. Bradley), I don't think Springer is their top choice.

 

And you don't have to "almost try to mess up the first pick" despite taking a highly rated player. Any of the top guys could easily bust.

[shnsajax]

How much different wound this draft be if Purke never gets hurt?

[Tryptamine]

While not to the extreme of JeffH I can understand where he's coming from. With a draft this loaded, the Cubs would almost have to try to mess up the first pick. One of Bauer/Gray/Starling etc will be there and that makes it a no brainer. Going for an inexplicable reach in a draft like this would have me more than slightly pissed off.

 

The DBacks (7) and Indians (8) have also been scouting Springer. Given the players linked to the Cubs (Lindor, Starling, Gray, Meyer, Bundy and A. Bradley), I don't think Springer is their top choice.

 

And you don't have to "almost try to mess up the first pick" despite taking a highly rated player. Any of the top guys could easily bust.

 

I'm very aware many will bust; that's the nature of the MLB draft as opposed to the NBA or NFL. I only meant the initial pick, not what they end up being. I don't think the Cubs need to do any kind of reaching in the first round because someone is going to slip to them and they need to make that pick.

[RammyFanny]

While not to the extreme of JeffH I can understand where he's coming from. With a draft this loaded, the Cubs would almost have to try to mess up the first pick. One of Bauer/Gray/Starling etc will be there and that makes it a no brainer. Going for an inexplicable reach in a draft like this would have me more than slightly pissed off.

I don't think you can say Springer is anywhere close to an 'inexplicable reach" though. I mean, Hayden Simpson...Tyler Colvin...those were inexplicable reaches. Picking a guy at 9 who's projected to go around 14 isn't a reach. It's a preference.

[Outshined_One]

While not to the extreme of JeffH I can understand where he's coming from. With a draft this loaded, the Cubs would almost have to try to mess up the first pick. One of Bauer/Gray/Starling etc will be there and that makes it a no brainer. Going for an inexplicable reach in a draft like this would have me more than slightly pissed off.

I don't think you can say Springer is anywhere close to an 'inexplicable reach" though. I mean, Hayden Simpson...Tyler Colvin...those were inexplicable reaches. Picking a guy at 9 who's projected to go around 14 isn't a reach. It's a preference.

 

Plus, the Cubs damn well better do their homework on him, especially if he's got the potential to be one of the top guys in this draft. I like hearing the Cubs are, at the very least, doing their homework on him. I hope the Cubs are doing the same for all of the prospects projected to be available when they pick in the first round. If they think he's worth #9 and pick him, then great, and if not, oh well.

[davell]

Springer isn't my top choice, but it's not like he's a reach either. He started off the year slowly, but has certainly come on strong since then. He has contact issues, but he also has 30-30 potential as well. If he turns into a pre-roid Sosa, it wouldn't shock me. I want one of the pitchers personally, but adding a guy like him and getting pitching later wouldn't be the end of the world.

[RammyFanny]

Fwiw, a poster on psd who's absolutely got contacts in the org. and has called numerous transactions before said Springer or Mahtook (who was mentioned as a possible pick) won't be our pick at 9.

[Guest]

Sorry, what is psd?

[davell]

My guess is ProSportsDaily, although I haven't ever looked at their message boards before.

[BeerHere]

Sorry, what is psd?

Probably Some Dude

[KingCubsFan]

Springer? At #9? In this draft?

 

That would be horrible and yet another reason to fire Hendry immediately.

I don't think that would be a terrible pick, but I have questions about how good Starling will really end up being.

[davell]

I know you don't draft for specific need, but with Jackson, Ha, and Szczur all looking good, maybe that DOES have something to do with who the Cubs take? Maybe the fact that we're in need of frontline potential pitching puts that more to the forefront possibly? I guess I could see an instance where we'd take the pitcher over the outfielder even if the OFer had a tad more potential, if the pitcher seems to be considered safe(or as much so, as a pitcher can be anyway)

 

Put it this way: If Bubba is on the board and we take Gray, Jungmann, or Barnes instead of him, I'll at least see where the Cubs could be coming from.

[RammyFanny]

Sorry guys, yeah I'm talking about the prosportsdaily forums. I'd link it but I'm on an iPod touch. Just go to the cubs forums and go to the draft thread. The poster is Marlon bystro...he's as legit as they come. Had some pena contract numbers weeks before the public knew, was spot on with the garza trade details and I remember he reported something on the sczur signing that turned out right as well. Sounded like he knew something when he said no springer or mahtook.